How many of you MMA bad boys would have messed with this man

[MoralMan]

[Immortal_Technique]

Who was better him or Lenny McLean?

[G_Thang]

interesting if he n tyson got in a street fight in the day?  i'm talking when tyson left mitch green 75 ins 260 or so unconscious in parking lot and jacked 3 guys at a hotel elevator. accumulation puncher vs a quick handed one shot guy.   

[Valane]

Both Shaw and Mclean were strong, rugged guys, but they couldn't make it in boxing, if i remember rightly Lenny got knocked out twice in the first round against a journeyman pro.

Very aggressive guys at that level, both used to take a ton of cocaine before fights which added to that aggression. Shaw was a smaller guy and by the time of their fight Lenny had juiced up to about twenty stone, he got caught rushing in and ate about fifty punches.

Both were glorified brawlers with below average boxing and zero grappling experience, they wouldn't make any impact.

[Cleanest Natural]

Brawling is one thing

Boxing ... a whole diff ballgame


Only toughguy wannabees could be ennamored with the likes of McLean et Co.

Tyson is a whole diff level

[Immortal_Technique]

Both Shaw and Mclean were strong, rugged guys, but they couldn't make it in boxing, if i remember rightly Lenny got knocked out twice in the first round against a journeyman pro.

Very aggressive guys at that level, both used to take a ton of cocaine before fights which added to that aggression. Shaw was a smaller guy and by the time of their fight Lenny had juiced up to about twenty stone, he got caught rushing in and ate about fifty punches.

Both were glorified brawlers with below average boxing and zero grappling experience, they wouldn't make any impact.

So McLean won their fight, is he considered a greater unlicensed boxer generally?

[Ursus]

Tyson I would say could brawl as well as he could box.

I WILL get flamed for this but I know a few very good boxers (granted they are small and light) who I reckon I would maul in a streetfight.

Boxing is a skill and relient on rules and control. Brawling is not.

[Purple Aki]

Brawling is one thing

Boxing ... a whole diff ballgame


Only toughguy wannabees could be ennamored with the likes of McLean et Co.

Tyson is a whole diff level

It really hurts to say this, but I agree with Sev.

I've never understood the hero worship of people that are little more than thugs and bullies.

[Valane]

I would say so. Big size difference between the two though, Both were bang on the gear but Lenny had a bigger frame to fill out. Given the fact that their styles were very similar and Roy didn't really have the know how to get inside, Lenny was at an advantage.

[Valane]

Tyson I would say could brawl as well as he could box.

I WILL get flamed for this but I know a few very good boxers (granted they are small and light) who I reckon I would maul in a streetfight.

Boxing is a skill and relient on rules and control. Brawling is not.

Differentiate the differences. Brawling is what fighters do when they haven't got the skill to box.

Mclean or Shaw would last about ten seconds against Tyson. Not because he can brawl but for the fact that he is trained to hit hard, fast and accurately and your typical street brawler has no head movement, timing, sense of distance etc.

[spinnis]

lenny would have killed almost everyone in a street fight, Ofc not tyson but tyson is what, One man our of 6 billion? =)


lol, Anyway, lenny was a badass thats for sure, and he looked ALOT faster then roy in that video if we compare shadow" boxing at an older age lol.

[che]

Lenny = Kimbo

[Ursus]

Boxing is using boxing rules and ettiquette.

Brawling is using whatever you can to do to win.

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

 Let me, see a guy with one style vs a guy with more than one style.

 Do the math.

 

[Valane]

Boxing is using boxing rules and ettiquette.

Brawling is using whatever you can to do to win.

You can't do a lot while you are unconcious.

Why would you have any more experience fighting dirty than a professional? Or are you suggesting being skilled and experienced is a dissadvantage.

[che]

I WILL get flamed for this but I know a few very good boxers (granted they are small and light) who I reckon I would maul in a streetfight.

I agree but if you don't finish these guys in less than 3 minutes you'll start gassing and the boxer would maul you .

[Valane]

Let me, see a guy with one style vs a guy with more than one style.

 Do the math.

 

It's not even one style. These aren't elite boxers/kickboxers. They are street brawlers who made their names beating drunks up outside nightclubs.

[spinnis]

I agree but if you don't finish these guys in less than 3 minutes you'll start gassing and the boxer would maul you .

3 min lol,

Try first  15-30 sec then your average big guy is GASSED

[Valane]

I agree but if you don't finish these guys in less than 3 minutes you'll start gassing and the boxer would maul you .

Unless those guys are strawweights with zero power, he is most likely not going to get close to one minute.

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

It's not even one style. These aren't elite boxers/kickboxers. They are street brawlers who made their names beating drunks up outside nightclubs.

 I'm sorry, are you saying that a brawler is more skilled than a pro MMA fighter?

[polychronopolous]

Let me, see a guy with one style vs a guy with more than one style.

 Do the math.

 

Damn, look at Arvloski, he is out cold!

[Cleanest Natural]

Tyson I would say could brawl as well as he could box.

I WILL get flamed for this but I know a few very good boxers (granted they are small and light) who I reckon I would maul in a streetfight.

Boxing is a skill and relient on rules and control. Brawling is not.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHH AHAHAHAHAHA

As I said before, you are both dumb AND delusional. Good grief ! maybe you should challenge those SMALL boxers and tape a the street fights w/ them and prove your point.


Maybe one day someone will take you seriously and lay your ass out as I do not believe you talk like this in real life. Go you your local boxing club and challenge a featherweight to a brawl outside. I DARE you! LOL

[Valane]

 I'm sorry, are you saying that a brawler is more skilled than a pro MMA fighter?

Quite the opposite.

[Ursus]

You can't do a lot while you are unconcious.

Why would you have any more experience fighting dirty than a professional? Or are you suggesting being skilled and experienced is a dissadvantage.

I think you are missing my point.

I was referring to guys under 65kg. Obviously my size and strength becomes almost totally negligible as I move towards bigger skilled boxers. A guy I know tore a former all Ireland boxing champ to pieces. The guy was a big enough guy 5'11 230lbs but drunk. the small boxer/bouncer came out in a boxing stance dancing around. My mate Aaron just ran into him threw him about then knocked him out.

Unless you have KO power a big athletic strong due will always have a reasonable chance against smaller guys - even with boxing experience.

[HTexan]

kimbo slice who kick his ass