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A leading Japanese politician espouses a 9/11 fantasy
« on: March 10, 2010, 03:37:55 PM »
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A leading Japanese politician espouses a 9/11 fantasy

Monday, March 8, 2010

YUKIHISA FUJITA is an influential member of the ruling Democratic Party of Japan. As chief of the DPJ's international department and head of the Research Committee on Foreign Affairs in the upper house of Japan's parliament, to which he was elected in 2007, he is a Brahmin in the foreign policy establishment of Washington's most important East Asian ally. He also seems to think that America's rendering of the events of Sept. 11, 2001, is a gigantic hoax.

Mr. Fujita's ideas about the attack on the World Trade Center, which he shared with us in a recent interview, are too bizarre, half-baked and intellectually bogus to merit serious discussion. He questions whether it was really the work of terrorists; suggests that shadowy forces with advance knowledge of the plot played the stock market to profit from it; peddles the fantastic idea that eight of the 19 hijackers are alive and well; and hints that controlled demolition rather than fire or debris may be a more likely explanation for at least the collapse of the building at 7 World Trade Center, which was adjacent to the twin towers.

As with almost any calamity whose scale and scope assume historic proportions, the events of Sept. 11 have spawned a thriving subculture of conspiracy theorists at home and abroad. The only thing novel about Mr. Fujita is that a man so susceptible to the imaginings of the lunatic fringe happens to occupy a notable position in the governing apparatus of a nation that boasts the world's second-largest economy.

We have no reason to believe that Mr. Fujita's views are widely shared in Japan; we suspect that they are not and that many Japanese would be embarrassed by them. His proposal two years ago that Tokyo undertake an independent investigation into the Sept. 11 attacks, in which 24 Japanese citizens died, went nowhere. Nonetheless, his views, rooted as they are in profound distrust of the United States, seem to reflect a strain of anti-American thought that runs through the DPJ and the government of Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama.
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Mr. Hatoyama, elected last summer, has called for a more "mature" relationship with Washington and closer ties between Japan and China. Although he has reaffirmed longstanding doctrine that Japan's alliance with the United States remains the cornerstone of its security, his actions and those of the DPJ-led government, raise questions about that commitment. It's a cliche but nonetheless true that the U.S.-Japan alliance has been a critical force for stability in East Asia for decades. That relationship, and its benefits for the region, will be severely tested if Mr. Hatoyama tolerates elements of his own party as reckless and fact-averse as Mr. Fujita.
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Re: A leading Japanese politician espouses a 9/11 fantasy
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2010, 04:02:26 PM »
Everyone knows about the secret government that runs america except the americans
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 04:47:31 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/07/AR2010030702354.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

A leading Japanese politician espouses a 9/11 fantasy

Monday, March 8, 2010

YUKIHISA FUJITA is an influential member of the ruling Democratic Party of Japan. As chief of the DPJ's international department and head of the Research Committee on Foreign Affairs in the upper house of Japan's parliament, to which he was elected in 2007, he is a Brahmin in the foreign policy establishment of Washington's most important East Asian ally. He also seems to think that America's rendering of the events of Sept. 11, 2001, is a gigantic hoax.

Mr. Fujita's ideas about the attack on the World Trade Center, which he shared with us in a recent interview, are too bizarre, half-baked and intellectually bogus to merit serious discussion. He questions whether it was really the work of terrorists; suggests that shadowy forces with advance knowledge of the plot played the stock market to profit from it; peddles the fantastic idea that eight of the 19 hijackers are alive and well; and hints that controlled demolition rather than fire or debris may be a more likely explanation for at least the collapse of the building at 7 World Trade Center, which was adjacent to the twin towers.

As with almost any calamity whose scale and scope assume historic proportions, the events of Sept. 11 have spawned a thriving subculture of conspiracy theorists at home and abroad. The only thing novel about Mr. Fujita is that a man so susceptible to the imaginings of the lunatic fringe happens to occupy a notable position in the governing apparatus of a nation that boasts the world's second-largest economy.

We have no reason to believe that Mr. Fujita's views are widely shared in Japan; we suspect that they are not and that many Japanese would be embarrassed by them. His proposal two years ago that Tokyo undertake an independent investigation into the Sept. 11 attacks, in which 24 Japanese citizens died, went nowhere. Nonetheless, his views, rooted as they are in profound distrust of the United States, seem to reflect a strain of anti-American thought that runs through the DPJ and the government of Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama.
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Mr. Hatoyama, elected last summer, has called for a more "mature" relationship with Washington and closer ties between Japan and China. Although he has reaffirmed longstanding doctrine that Japan's alliance with the United States remains the cornerstone of its security, his actions and those of the DPJ-led government, raise questions about that commitment. It's a cliche but nonetheless true that the U.S.-Japan alliance has been a critical force for stability in East Asia for decades. That relationship, and its benefits for the region, will be severely tested if Mr. Hatoyama tolerates elements of his own party as reckless and fact-averse as Mr. Fujita.

Something like 7/10 americans believed in the JFK CT at one point.  None of this surprises me.  Unless you really look at 9/11 it's easy to be persuaded it was a "inside job"

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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 05:28:58 PM »
Something like 7/10 americans believed in the JFK CT at one point.  None of this surprises me.  Unless you really look at 9/11 it's easy to be persuaded it was a "inside job"

On the other hand, it's extremely naive to believe that the most sophisticated terrorist attack ever was carried out by some cave men.
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2010, 05:37:20 PM »
On the other hand, it's extremely naive to believe that the most sophisticated terrorist attack ever was carried out by some cave men.

Who says they were cave men?  They weren't cave men or even common arabs.  They were highly funded and trained to pull this off.  Terrorists have money, they have financial backing in the ME.  Of course more than 19 people were involved.  They had support, cells, leaders, etc.   It wasn't just 19 cavemen who hatched this plan around the fire one night while roasting cows.

And it wasn't the most sophisticated terrorist attack.  It was the most damaging, yes.  They hijacked 4 planes and rammed 3 of them in buildings.

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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 06:41:39 PM »
Who says they were cave men?

I think we were officially suppose to believe that they were cave men from Iraq.

Terrorists have money, they have financial backing in the ME.

Yep, and other financial backing. Wish the "investigation" had dug deeper into this.

And it wasn't the most sophisticated terrorist attack.

You know of a more sophisticated terrorist attack on our country?  I wasn't aware of any.
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2010, 06:57:18 PM »
I think we were officially suppose to believe that they were cave men from Iraq.

I'm not sure what you mean by that.  I don't remember reading anywhere that they were "cavemen" or were ever liken to cave men.

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Yep, and other financial backing. Wish the "investigation" had dug deeper into this.

there are plenty of rich arabs.

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You know of a more sophisticated terrorist attack on our country?  I wasn't aware of any.

Cyber attacks?  But if you mean by size and scope, you are right.




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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 08:06:23 PM »
I think we were officially suppose to believe that they were cave men from Iraq.

Yep, and other financial backing. Wish the "investigation" had dug deeper into this.

You know of a more sophisticated terrorist attack on our country?  I wasn't aware of any.


You don't even have your story straight. Iraq? They were from Afghanistan for starters. Hence, why we went there instead of Iraq first.

Secondly, only a moron would think they weren't incredibly well funded and trained. Cave men? Hardly. But you hang onto that "theory". Might want to work on ironing out parts of it first, though.

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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2010, 11:56:09 PM »
why is 911 suddenly such a major issue?

pentagon highlights, iran's nutjob, now they're going out of their way to interview this japanese guy just to bash him?  msn and fox bringing up the issue - why?  It's a 9-year old CT at this point.  Nearly JFK-esque in today's fast moving media market.  Hell, most ocllege kids today were in 5th grade when 911 happened.

Why push it now?


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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2010, 12:11:31 AM »
You don't even have your story straight. Iraq? They were from Afghanistan for starters. Hence, why we went there instead of Iraq first.

Secondly, only a moron would think they weren't incredibly well funded and trained. Cave men? Hardly. But you hang onto that "theory". Might want to work on ironing out parts of it first, though.

Most of the known perpetrators were actually Saudis, and of course those guys were well funded and trained... 
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 01:11:46 AM »
9/11 is now a major issue cause its part of the liberals blame bush for everything excuse

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2010, 07:51:52 AM »
why is 911 suddenly such a major issue?

pentagon highlights, iran's nutjob, now they're going out of their way to interview this japanese guy just to bash him?  msn and fox bringing up the issue - why?  It's a 9-year old CT at this point.  Nearly JFK-esque in today's fast moving media market.  Hell, most ocllege kids today were in 5th grade when 911 happened.

Why push it now?




How are they "pushing" anything?  A senior Japanese politician made an accusation against the USA.  That's news.

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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2010, 08:27:31 AM »
Most of the known perpetrators were actually Saudis, and of course those guys were well funded and trained...  

Yes, and they were operating out of the safe haven they were given in Afghanistan by the Taliban. You claimed they were cave men earlier in the thread, now you're admitting that they were well trained and funded. Which is it?

Protip: KSM is college educated and holds a degree in mechanical engineering. Definitely a cave man!  ::)

This is why these 9/11 CTers come off as morons. They say anything they want to prove their point, completely ignoring facts, logic or reason. You can't even keep your story straight.

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2010, 08:30:01 AM »
Most of the known perpetrators were actually Saudis, and of course those guys were well funded and trained... 
Do all saudis only associate with saudis?  Just because they were saudis does that mean they had to have funding from other Saudis?

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2010, 10:41:25 AM »
oz,

a lot of news outlets have been talking about 911 lately.  pentagon shooter's main theme, right?  suddenly, the guy from iran says it for the 90th time, and it's big news.  romney disses it.  schiff disses it.  now this guy, who was ignored 2 years ago when he talked about it (and we talked here about it) is suddenly news?

or hey, maybe the multi trillion dollar media machine is completely random and there is no rhyme to their reason.  In that case, it was a major coincidence when the pentagon magically found the 5 plane video slides 2 days before that french book 'the big lie' came out...

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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2010, 10:51:57 AM »
Maybe MAOBAMA wants us to ignore his

GALLUP 46% APPROVAL RATING YOU ALWAYS TOUT. 

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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2010, 10:55:41 AM »
I posted this in another thread, but this is still nothing more than a looney conspiracy theory and even liberal Arianna Huffington "despises" these nutty theories and has banned them from her website:

More full disclosure: I despise 9/11 "truther" conspiracies. Indeed, one of the guidelines for bloggers on HuffPost is a ban on posts putting forth those kinds of theories. And it was stupid of Van to put his name on a very stupid "9/11 Truth Statement." I've spoken to Van. He doesn't believe that the Bush administration orchestrated the 9/11 attacks or allowed the attacks to happen in a cold-hearted attempt to gin up support. The 9/11 "Truthers" are fringe-dwellers and Van was completely wrong to allow himself to be associated with them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/thank-you-glenn-beck_b_278839.html

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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2010, 11:02:17 AM »
sorry, but i have to say, that van guy is pretty ballsy and honest about shit.

you can disagree with his agenda, but he stood in front of a crowd and cameras and called republicans a-holes.

I am pretty darn sure he knew exactly what he was signing.

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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2010, 11:15:33 AM »
oz,

a lot of news outlets have been talking about 911 lately.  pentagon shooter's main theme, right?  suddenly, the guy from iran says it for the 90th time, and it's big news.  romney disses it.  schiff disses it.  now this guy, who was ignored 2 years ago when he talked about it (and we talked here about it) is suddenly news?

or hey, maybe the multi trillion dollar media machine is completely random and there is no rhyme to their reason.  In that case, it was a major coincidence when the pentagon magically found the 5 plane video slides 2 days before that french book 'the big lie' came out...

Like who?  When a news event happens anything worthy of interest connected becomes news.  And in turn people comment on it and their comments become news.  What's so sudden about that?  It's every bit rhyme and reason as its all about getting viewers to get advertising revenue right?

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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2010, 11:26:27 AM »
fox, msn, cnn... 'this guy is a 911 truther!!!!!!!!!"

truther has the same media-generated stink to it that comes with birther and a few other titles.

It's not unreasonable for a citizen or elected official to wish to see actual birth certificate of a person they are choosing to lead their country - particularly when that same president did interviews bragging about being the first kenyan senator, etc.

But, the media pre-emptively labeled anyone wishing to see that paper as a birther, on par with ... (insert truther, ufo, etc) other conspiracy theories.

Seriously, would you hire a guy to walk your dog, without doing a little background research?  We're handing over the country to a guy who took great pride in coming from kenya... it's not unreasonable at all - BUT they now wear that stink.  ya ever wonder why?

not that I'm a birther... those folks are batshit crazy ;)

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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2010, 11:29:50 AM »
fox, msn, cnn... 'this guy is a 911 truther!!!!!!!!!"

truther has the same media-generated stink to it that comes with birther and a few other titles.

It's not unreasonable for a citizen or elected official to wish to see actual birth certificate of a person they are choosing to lead their country - particularly when that same president did interviews bragging about being the first kenyan senator, etc.

But, the media pre-emptively labeled anyone wishing to see that paper as a birther, on par with ... (insert truther, ufo, etc) other conspiracy theories.

Seriously, would you hire a guy to walk your dog, without doing a little background research?  We're handing over the country to a guy who took great pride in coming from kenya... it's not unreasonable at all - BUT they now wear that stink.  ya ever wonder why?

not that I'm a birther... those folks are batshit crazy ;)

The problem with the "truthers" is that they shift CT's every time one of their theories is blown to smitherines. 

Come up with a plausible CT that makes sense and we will look at it. 

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« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2010, 11:40:27 AM »
fox, msn, cnn... 'this guy is a 911 truther!!!!!!!!!"

truther has the same media-generated stink to it that comes with birther and a few other titles.

It's not unreasonable for a citizen or elected official to wish to see actual birth certificate of a person they are choosing to lead their country - particularly when that same president did interviews bragging about being the first kenyan senator, etc.

But, the media pre-emptively labeled anyone wishing to see that paper as a birther, on par with ... (insert truther, ufo, etc) other conspiracy theories.

Seriously, would you hire a guy to walk your dog, without doing a little background research?  We're handing over the country to a guy who took great pride in coming from kenya... it's not unreasonable at all - BUT they now wear that stink.  ya ever wonder why?

not that I'm a birther... those folks are batshit crazy ;)

Personally i think they are both crazy ideas, truther and birthers.  But they DO make good news.

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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2010, 11:42:16 AM »
Personally i think they are both crazy ideas, truther and birthers.  But they DO make good news.

I dont think the birther thing is crazy at all.   

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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2010, 12:01:49 PM »
I dont think the birther thing is crazy at all.   

I have to admit for the most part i haven't researched it with the bravado i did with 9/11.  I'm just assuming that if there was really anything to it, the republican party would have been all over it like hair on a gorilla.  That's why I think pursuing it is crazy. 

But i could be wrong. 

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« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2010, 12:04:25 PM »
I have to admit for the most part i haven't researched it with the bravado i did with 9/11.  I'm just assuming that if there was really anything to it, the republican party would have been all over it like hair on a gorilla.  That's why I think pursuing it is crazy. 

But i could be wrong. 

The issue is the long form BC he wont authorize.  My personal belief is that it would show he is a muslim.  I think he was probably born here, but he is definately hiding something.