Author Topic: ObamaCare will result in mass exodus of doctors and physicians from practice. (Read 5592 times)

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #25 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:29:08 AM »

Quote from: saopl on March 11, 2010, 08:24:34 AM

Oh I know it's not, but regardless $125 for 5 minutes of their time is a little much, don't you think?

They dont get 125$!

Out of that comes any of the following:

1. Office rent.
2. Malpractice insurance.
3. General Liability
4. Equipment leases.
5. Office supplies.
6. Staff salaries.
7. Medical Biller and accounting.
8. Telephone and computers.
9. Deductions from the carrier or govt.
10. Possible denial of bill for bogus reasons.

Did I include what goes to the doctor?

BTW - what should a doctor make?

drkaje · « **Reply #26 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:29:30 AM »

Quote from: saopl on March 11, 2010, 08:24:34 AM

Oh I know it's not, but regardless $125 for 5 minutes of their time is a little much, don't you think?

Dude,

I sincerely wish you knew/understood what that "5 minutes of their time" entailed.

BM OUT · « **Reply #27 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:30:51 AM »

As someone who has had MANY surgeries from injuries,I must say I love doctors.You go in,they fix you as good as new.The idea that we bash people like this is assanine.The same ones who hate the police but are the first ones to call 911 when they are in trouble.

saopl · « **Reply #28 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:32:50 AM »

Quote from: drkaje on March 11, 2010, 08:16:57 AM

You're not alone in being clueless about what delivering healthcare costs. If reform passes and all of those costs get passed on to the taxpayer there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth at tax time.

People honestly think [sic] fees go directly to the doctor and that someone who spent years learning a craft shouldn't be paid. It's a function of perspective and education. I really shouldn't take offense but do wish people had a clue (beyond what shows up on a bill) what delivering healthcare takes before making statements like that.

I know exactly what it costs, I deal with HCPC coding and billing issues with Medicare/Medicaid/DMERC all day long.

Option D · « **Reply #29 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:37:13 AM »

Quote from: drkaje on March 11, 2010, 07:59:51 AM

It's better to know than not. Especially when it comes to someone like me, LOL!

hey jake..Did you get a good hospital over there in Bmore...

Check this out..I wanted to go to UCLA medical because its near my house...but im at Torrance Memorial Medical instead. Its alright.

saopl · « **Reply #30 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:37:24 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 11, 2010, 08:29:08 AM

They dont get 125$!

Out of that comes any of the following:

1. Office rent.
2. Malpractice insurance.
3. General Liability
4. Equipment leases.
5. Office supplies.
6. Staff salaries.
7. Medical Biller and accounting.
8. Telephone and computers.
9. Deductions from the carrier or govt.
10. Possible denial of bill for bogus reasons.

Did I include what goes to the doctor?

BTW - what should a doctor make?

are you fucking retarded? no shit they have expenses, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS. 99% of business' require the same type of expenses, THE ONLY REASON WHY Doctors fees are so high is because they can get away with it, when someone is sick and they have the option of paying an outrageous price to be diagnosed and treated or dying in 6 months, I think anyone would go with the first option.

drkaje · « **Reply #31 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:38:53 AM »

B'more was nice, Mal.

I'm going to be an hour from home/kids.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #32 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:43:12 AM »

Quote from: saopl on March 11, 2010, 08:37:24 AM

are you fucking retarded? no shit they have expenses, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS. 99% of business' require the same type of expenses, THE ONLY REASON WHY Doctors fees are so high is because they can get away with it, when someone is sick and they have the option of paying an outrageous price to be diagnosed and treated or dying in 6 months, I think anyone would go with the first option.

The average MD makes about 165k - is that too much in your mond? If so, how much should they make?

MRDUMPLING · « **Reply #33 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:45:22 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 11, 2010, 07:55:29 AM

I am so sick of this crap. I spent a small fortune going to law school and working my ass off for years with almost no or little money and the minute I make something decent, all the bums and free loaders show up trying to begrudge me anything.

Its the liberal marxist mentality demonizing anyone and everyone over everything.

I am sick of this marxist attitude from people.

Go read Atlas Shrugged. Great read, don't let other getbiggers insult you with lines like, "It's a high school read." It will piss you off but make you think too.

saopl · « **Reply #34 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:46:44 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 11, 2010, 08:43:12 AM

The average MD makes about 165k - is that too much in your mond? If so, how much should they make?

how ever much our government decides to pay them.

kcballer · « **Reply #35 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:47:44 AM »

Quote from: MRDUMPLING on March 11, 2010, 08:45:22 AM

Go read Atlas Shrugged. Great read, don't let other getbiggers insult you with lines like, "It's a high school read." It will piss you off but make you think too.

I have that on my book shelf. Never read it haha maybe i should.

Kazan · « **Reply #36 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:48:29 AM »

Quote from: saopl on March 11, 2010, 08:46:44 AM

how ever much our government decides to pay them.

Then whats next maybe the government decides you make to much and deserver a pay cut, you sure change your tune then.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #37 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:49:26 AM »

Quote from: saopl on March 11, 2010, 08:46:44 AM

how ever much our government decides to pay them.

So you are a communist?

Fury · « **Reply #38 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:50:41 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 11, 2010, 08:43:12 AM

The average MD makes about 165k - is that too much in your mond? If so, how much should they make?

Not a lot at all considering most take on about $200k in debt for their schooling and then make about $40k for 3-7 years depending on what residency they do.

Option D · « **Reply #39 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:51:16 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 11, 2010, 08:29:08 AM

They dont get 125$!

Out of that comes any of the following:

1. Office rent.
2. Malpractice insurance.
3. General Liability
4. Equipment leases.
5. Office supplies.
6. Staff salaries.
7. Medical Biller and accounting.
8. Telephone and computers.
9. Deductions from the carrier or govt.
10. Possible denial of bill for bogus reasons.

Did I include what goes to the doctor?

BTW - what should a doctor make?

hahahahaha...this dude is wild..he said 125 for 5 min...

Basically its like this, Shoot and jake can attest...Dude if you wanna be rich. you aint gonna do it being an md. Well not in internal med, GP, Pediatrics,

Now, with Hemo/Onc i think the insurance company gets a lot..

But the real bread is in Plastics in Beverly Hills, New York, and Miami...

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #40 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:52:51 AM »

Quote from: big_mal on March 11, 2010, 08:51:16 AM

hahahahaha...this dude is wild..he said 125 for 5 min...

Basically its like this, Shoot and jake can attest...Dude if you wanna be rich. you aint gonna do it being an md. Well not in internal med, GP, Pediatrics,

Now, with Hemo/Onc i think the insurance company gets a lot..

But the real bread is in Plastics in Beverly Hills, New York, and Miami...

I'm sure even now those people are not spending as much on that.

kcballer · « **Reply #41 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:54:46 AM »

In the UK don't Dr's earn $100K+ in pounds? So right now that's probably $200K US

But still this myth that you won't get any money is a joke. I agree costs are high to become a Dr, there should be something in the bill that goes towards lessening the cost of becoming an educated Dr.

Option D · « **Reply #42 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:55:12 AM »

Quote from: drkaje on March 11, 2010, 08:38:53 AM

B'more was nice, Mal.

I'm going to be an hour from home/kids.

you back in the islands?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #43 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:56:16 AM »

Quote from: kcballer on March 11, 2010, 08:54:46 AM

In the UK don't Dr's earn $100K+ in pounds? So right now that's probably $200K US But still this myth that you won't get any money is a joke. I agree costs are high to become a Dr, there should be something in the bill that goes towards lessening the cost of becoming an educated Dr.

KC - they spend 8 years of education not making anything and going into debt so its a double hit.

They, like other professionals, have to make up those lost earnings over a shorter working peior just to break even.

Option D · « **Reply #44 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:58:19 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 11, 2010, 08:52:51 AM

I'm sure even now those people are not spending as much on that.

Well not as much as you think. People who get plastics are uber rich (most of the time) and this dosent really effect them as much..

What does suffer is the PCPs and the regular joes because the companies cant afford benefits any more so in a recession, the first thing that goes is the lower level stuff and dental. Because businesses cant afford to give employees health insurance plans

saopl · « **Reply #45 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:58:31 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 11, 2010, 08:49:26 AM

So you are a communist?

twas a joke buddy.

Option D · « **Reply #46 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:59:30 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 11, 2010, 08:56:16 AM

KC - they spend 8 years of education not making anything and going into debt so its a double hit.

They, like other professionals, have to make up those lost earnings over a shorter working peior just to break even.

Well what hurts is that, is that you cant get a job like in undergrad...

Unless you get your kai greene on...

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #47 on:** March 11, 2010, 09:15:09 AM »

Quote from: saopl on March 11, 2010, 08:46:44 AM

how ever much our government decides to pay them.

Should we regulate the pay of hair dressers?

kcballer · « **Reply #48 on:** March 11, 2010, 10:09:52 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 11, 2010, 08:56:16 AM

KC - they spend 8 years of education not making anything and going into debt so its a double hit.

They, like other professionals, have to make up those lost earnings over a shorter working peior just to break even.

Hence they should have a cheaper education perhaps a bigger government scholarship program. But like i said dr's in the UK live just fine and they too have to be educated, same with in Canada, Australia etc. They earn a very good living.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #49 on:** March 11, 2010, 10:11:12 AM »

Quote from: kcballer on March 11, 2010, 10:09:52 AM

Hence they should have a cheaper education perhaps a bigger government scholarship program. But like i said dr's in the UK live just fine and they too have to be educated, same with in Canada, Australia etc. They earn a very good living.

That has nothing to do with what we have here and the reality for docs right now.