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Stupak Claims Committee Chairman Wants Government to Fund Abortions
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The pro-life Democrat leading the charge in the House against passage of the Senate health insurance reform bill said Friday that a key committee chairman told him that Democrats want abortions to be paid by a federally-funded nationalized health insurance system.

Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., who's been so far out in front of the debate about abortion coverage that he earned himself a primary challenger over it, said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., told him he wants to change current law that bans federal funding for abortion.

In an interview with Marquette, Mich., radio station WKQS' Mark & Walk morning show, Stupak described what he said was a conversation with Waxman about the Senate's version of the health care overhaul. That bill contains weaker language than the House-passed legislation, which includes a provision crafted by Stupak to ensure insurance companies that participate in a national exchange don't use federal money for abortion services.

"I gave him the language. He came back a little while later and said, 'But we want to pay for abortions.' I said, 'Mr. Chairman, that's -- we disagree. We don't do it now, we're not going to start.'

"'But we think should,'" Stupak said Waxman told him.

"I said, 'Well, I'm sorry but the House has spoken. We had that debate. We won 240-190. You forced the vote, a vote we won fair and square and we're not gonna, this is what it is. If you want to move health care keep current law,'" Stupak continued.

House Democratic leaders are trying to convince as many as a dozen Democratic lawmakers who voted yes for the House bill but have said they will oppose the Senate bill if the abortion language isn't changed.

That number seemingly has dwindled to a handful in the past couple days as lawmakers face increasing pressure and promises by Democratic leaders that a fix will come after the legislation becomes law. That would be through a process called "reconciliation," which has no guarantee of passing once the Senate bill is signed by President Obama.

Waxman, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, one of three panels responsible for cobbling together the House version of a health care overhaul last year, did not immediately return a request for comment.

But Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y., a liberal Democrat who says he wants federal funding for abortion, told Fox News that the Senate bill changes nothing about the "Hyde amendment," which is decades-old law preventing taxpayer money from being used to pay for abortion except in cases of rape, incest or injury to the mother.

"We have the Hyde amendment that has been in place for a generation. I'm not crazy about it but it says there should be no federal funding for abortions. That's the law as we sit here and that'll be the law after health care passes," Weiner said.

However, under the Senate plan, anyone who buys insurance through the exchange will see $1 of his or her premium go toward reproductive health care, including abortion. Weiner said it is not the case that abortion service providers will get any of that premium money.

"The fact is each individual person will be told that if they want to get an abortion they are not going to be able to use any subsidy, any plan that's provided by the federal government to do that," Weiner said.

"Congressman Stupak wants to go far beyond that and say anyone that offers insurance that is going to be in this exchange to even offer the services, it can't even be in there, even though it gets zero federal dollars. That's going much too far," he said.


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Why am I not surprised by this?

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2010, 12:54:48 PM »
Not surprised at all.  Pelosi recently said she's basically going to steamroll the pro-life Democrats in the House. 

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2010, 01:06:12 PM »
Not surprised at all.  Pelosi recently said she's basically going to steamroll the pro-life Democrats in the House. 

I have never in my life seen a bigger bunch of disgusting communist radical POFS I wished would die en mass in a natural disaster than this bunch. 


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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2010, 01:06:58 PM »
It's not like their motive is freedom, so what is the real story with democrats and abortion?
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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2010, 01:08:31 PM »
It's not like their motive is freedom, so what is the real story with democrats and abortion?

Population control.  Collosus has posted about this alot. 

Liberal marxists are plain evil beasts in this respect. 

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2010, 01:21:12 PM »
It's not like their motive is freedom, so what is the real story with democrats and abortion?

Same reason republicans want control over reproductive rights.

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2010, 01:22:22 PM »
Same reason republicans want control over reproductive rights.

I just want all these bums to leave me the hell alone already.

 

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2010, 01:33:18 PM »
I just want all these bums to leave me the hell alone already.

 

Be glad you don't have a vagina male politicians are fighting for control over.

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2010, 01:36:08 PM »
Be glad you don't have a vagina male politicians are fighting for control over.

They're fighting over the babies too. 

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2010, 01:36:36 PM »
I sense Bart is going to switch to the GOP over this mess.   The GOP sucks, but they are nothing compared to this bunch of pigs.


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‘They Just Want This Over’ (interview with Stupak)
National Review (The Corner) ^ | March 12, 2010 | Robert Costa

Posted on Friday, March 12, 2010 4:12:07 PM by reaganaut1


Sitting in an airport, on his way home to Michigan, Rep. Bart Stupak, a pro-life Democrat, is chagrined. “They’re ignoring me,” he says, in a phone interview with National Review Online. “That’s their strategy now. The House Democratic leaders think they have the votes to pass the Senate’s health-care bill without us. At this point, there is no doubt that they’ve been able to peel off one or two of my twelve. And even if they don’t have the votes, it’s been made clear to us that they won’t insert our language on the abortion issue.”

According to Stupak, that group of twelve pro-life House Democrats — the “Stupak dozen” — has privately agreed for months to vote ‘no’ on the Senate’s health-care bill if federal funding for abortion is included in the final legislative language. Now, in the debate’s final hours, Stupak says the other eleven are coming under “enormous” political pressure from both the White House and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.). “I am a definite ‘no’ vote,” he says. “I didn’t cave. The others are having both of their arms twisted, and we’re all getting pounded by our traditional Democratic supporters, like unions.”

Stupak says he also doesn’t trust the “Slaughter solution,” a legislative maneuver being bandied about on Capitol Hill as a way to pass the Senate bill in the House without actually voting on it. “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me,” he says. “I don’t have a warm-and-fuzzy feeling about what I’m hearing.”

Stupak notes that his negotiations with House Democratic leaders in recent days have been revealing. “I really believe that the Democratic leadership is simply unwilling to change its stance,” he says. “Their position says that women, especially those without means available, should have their abortions covered.” The arguments they have made to him in recent deliberations, he adds, “are a pretty sad commentary on the state of the Democratic party.”

What are Democratic leaders saying? “If you pass the Stupak amendment, more children will be born, and therefore it will cost us millions more. That’s one of the arguments I’ve been hearing,” Stupak says. “Money is their hang-up. Is this how we now value life in America? If money is the issue — come on, we can find room in the budget. This is life we’re talking about.”

If Obamacare passes, Stupak says, it could signal the end of any meaningful role for pro-life Democrats within their own party. “It would be very, very hard for someone who is a right-to-life Democrat to run for office,” he says. “I won’t leave the party. I’m more comfortable here and still believe in a role within it for the right-to-life cause, but this bill will make being a pro-life Democrat much more difficult. They don’t even want to debate this issue. We’ll probably have to wait until the Republicans take back the majority to fix this.”

“Throughout this debate, even when the House leaders have acknowledged us, it’s always been in a backhanded way,” he laments. “I’m telling the others to hold firm, and we’ll meet next week, but I’m disappointed in my colleagues who said they’d be with us and now they’re not. It’s almost like some right-to-life members don’t want to be bothered. They just want this over.”

And the politics of the issue are pretty rough. “This has really reached an unhealthy stage,” Stupak says. “People are threatening ethics complaints on me. On the left, they’re really stepping it up. Every day, from Rachel Maddow to the Daily Kos, it keeps coming. Does it bother me? Sure. Does it change my position? No.”

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2010, 01:37:27 PM »
Be glad you don't have a vagina male politicians are fighting for control over.

Male politicials and male fight over vaginas worldwide since the history of mankind.

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2010, 03:56:33 PM »
They're fighting over the babies too. 

I don't like abortion, it's despicable (on the other hand, that's my personally decision and I realize it's not my place to make that decision for others).  You born again numskulls should really stop attempting to impose your personal beliefs on others. 

 :P
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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2010, 04:08:36 PM »
I don't like abortion, it's despicable (on the other hand, that's my personally decision and I realize it's not my place to make that decision for others).  You born again numskulls should really stop attempting to impose your personal beliefs on others. 

 :P
I don't like murder, it's despicable (on the other hand, that's my personally decision and I realize it's not my place to make that decision for others).
So if you wanna kill people it's your choice. Who am I to stop ya.  ::)

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2010, 04:25:12 PM »
I don't like murder, it's despicable (on the other hand, that's my personally decision and I realize it's not my place to make that decision for others).
So if you wanna kill people it's your choice. Who am I to stop ya.  ::)

PEOPLE? IN SOMEONES BELLY?

WTF? ???
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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2010, 04:32:24 PM »
yes people......that's where they come from.

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2010, 04:35:32 PM »
"Population control.  Collosus has posted about this alot.  
Liberal marxists are plain evil beasts in this respect.  "

both parties are okay with it.  repubs could care less if the bottom 20% of society died off much younger, which is why they didn't touch health care in the 12 years they owned congress ;)

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2010, 04:37:56 PM »
haha...  ^^^

Democrats will get you early (abortion), Republicans will wait a bit (war)....  ;D :o
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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2010, 04:38:59 PM »
haha...  ^^^

Democrats will get you early (abortion), Republicans will wait a bit (war)....  ;D :o

They don't count as people for political purposes.

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2010, 04:41:21 PM »
I don't like abortion, it's despicable (on the other hand, that's my personally decision and I realize it's not my place to make that decision for others).  You born again numskulls should really stop attempting to impose your personal beliefs on others. 

 :P

Darn near every law we have on the books imposes individual or collective "personal beliefs." 

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2010, 04:42:53 PM »
haha...  ^^^

Democrats will get you early (abortion), Republicans will wait a bit (war)....  ;D :o

I think you are mistaken, there are just as many if not more POTUS's that were Dem when America has been at war
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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2010, 10:20:40 PM »
Darn near every law we have on the books imposes individual or collective "personal beliefs."  

Yes!  We should impose our personal beliefs in the case where going against them would violate other people.  On the other hand, people should absolutely have the right to take their own life, and the life of something surviving off THEIR body.  

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2010, 10:21:47 PM »
I think you are mistaken, there are just as many if not more POTUS's that were Dem when America has been at war

I think you're right about that, I was just joking around...  Trust me, I'm no fan of the Democratic party....  :-X
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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2010, 10:24:24 PM »
Yes!  We should impose our personal beliefs on others in the case where going against them would violate the life or freedom of OTHERS.  On the other hand, people should absolutely have the right to take their own life, and the life of something surviving off THEIR body
There's your trouble......the choice is made when the "lady" opens her legs.

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Re: Stupak: "Democrats want Government Funded Abortions" ($1.00 a month)
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2010, 10:25:27 PM »
Yes!  We should impose our personal beliefs on others in the case where going against them would violate the life or freedom of OTHERS.  On the other hand, people should absolutely have the right to take their own life, and the life of something surviving off THEIR body. 

Doesn't work that way.  We pass that laws that take away freedoms all the time.  Try robbing a bank (like a rash of dummies have done here lately) and see what happens.  

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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2010, 10:34:43 PM »
Doesn't work that way.  We pass that laws that take away freedoms all the time.  Try robbing a bank (like a rash of dummies have done here lately) and see what happens.  

Beach Bum, I didn't word that very well, it's late.  You know exactly what I meant and if you don't I owe you a gigantic:  ::)
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