Does fat make you fat?

[Wiggs]

I understand that too many carbs and sugar makes you put on weight but lets say I was dieting with 80/20 fat vs 95/5 lean meat (1st number is lean 2nd is fat content) and add a little cheese but carbs and sugar is non existent.  Will that affect me getting lean?  I understand too much isn't good for cholesterol but what about leans?

[johnnynoname]

no,

i take in, at least, 120 grams of (good) fats a day and they don't get any more lean than me

[drkaje]

I wouldn't think so, Wiggs. I pretty much feel buying anything above 85% is a waste of money and has negligible health benefits, if any. That may not be true for people in single digit body fat.

[Wiggs]

Thanks gents.  I started dieting again last week and was wondering why am I not eating any good or a little saturated fat to help with the flavor.  I'm not going to go on a bacon and cheese binge I just need to ensure a little every now and then is ok so I don't go nuts...Not doing a show just want to get to 8-10 percent bf.

Currently doing 1.25 hours of cardio split up, superset training and ECA...no juice. 3 solid meals and 1-2 protein shakes...Can't eat 6 x per day not a big eater.

[wavelength]

There is one and only one thing that makes you fat as long as protein is adequate:
total calories.

Fat and sugar are completely irrelevant for that.

[Rami]

Animal fat makes you fat. think about it.

Because animal fat is fat that even the animal didn't lose, see?


And it also traps all the environmental toxins in it's fat deposits during it's lifetime it accumulates there.

[wavelength]

Animal fat makes you fat. think about it.

Because animal fat is fat that even the animal didn't lose, see?

And it also traps all the environmental toxins in it's fat deposits during it's lifetime it accumulates there.

makes sense to me

[Wiggs]

There is one and only one thing that makes you fat as long as protein is adequate:
total calories.

Fat and sugar is completely irrelevant for that.

The master himself!  Yes, I understand that that I must be in a caloric deficit.  I also understand that if i eat something with higher fat content it will therefore mean more calories because fat has 9 calories per gram I believe it is.

I'm sorry I don't believe that about sugar becuase of insulin spike can promote fat storage..

[johnnynoname]

Thanks gents.  I started dieting again last week and was wondering why am I not eating any good or a little saturated fat to help with the flavor.  I'm not going to go on a bacon and cheese binge I just need to ensure a little every now and then is ok so I don't go nuts...Not doing a show just want to get to 8-10 percent bf.

Currently doing 1.25 hours of cardio split up, superset training and ECA...no juice. 3 solid meals and 1-2 protein shakes...Can't eat 6 x per day not a big eater.

btw, throw Yohimbine into your ECA stack

trust me on it

however, i warn you, it MAY be alittle too much so you might want to feel it out first

[Wiggs]

btw, throw Yohimbine into your ECA stack

trust me on it

however, i warn you, it MAY be alittle too much so you might want to feel it out first

This ECA shit makes me jittery...I hate it but is really works as I've used it in the past...What does the Yohimbe do?

[wavelength]

The master himself!  Yes, I understand that that I must be in a caloric deficit.  I also understand that if i eat something with higher fat content it will therefore mean more calories because fat has 9 calories per gram I believe it is.

I'm sorry I don't believe that about sugar becuase of insulin spike can promote fat storage..

Sugar will not make you hold on to your body fat or gain body fat in a deficit. Not as long as you follow the essential rules for muscle preservation: protein and strength training. Forget about "Insulin Spikes", all bro-science.

[johnnynoname]

This ECA shit makes me jittery...I hate it but is really works as I've used it in the past...What does the Yohimbe do?

if the ECA gives you the jitters than the Yohimbine will give you Parkinson's Disease like jitters

I suggest you stay away from it then and stick with the regular ECA

[JaggyShortBuff]

btw, throw Yohimbine into your ECA stack

trust me on it

however, i warn you, it MAY be alittle too much so you might want to feel it out first

Me likes to add da yohimbe to da ECA stack. Although, I am a speed type person....

[Wingnut32]

Animal fat makes you fat. think about it.

Because animal fat is fat that even the animal didn't lose, see?

No.  All around no.

[AC Slater]

Animal fat makes you fat. think about it.

Because animal fat is fat that even the animal didn't lose, see?


And it also traps all the environmental toxins in it's fat deposits during it's lifetime it accumulates there.

wut.  are you serious?

[Earl1972]

i don't think so, it's carbs

i always laugh when i see people buying "low fat" potato chips, the carbs are still the same

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[Mr Nobody]

There is one and only one thing that makes you fat as long as protein is adequate:
total calories.

Fat and sugar are completely irrelevant for that.

Wave on the money. Total calories above your maintenance = fat gain.

[Eyeball Chambers]

If I understand correctly, if your basel energy expenditure for a day is 3000 and you eat 3000 calories of lard you won't gain or lose a pound. 

[Mr Nobody]

If I understand correctly, if your basel energy expenditure for a day is 3000 and you eat 3000 calories of lard you won't gain or lose a pound. 

Yep all numbers my man.

[Eyeball Chambers]

Yep all numbers my man.

Good stuff, wish the general public could be enlightened...

[tbombz]

The master himself!  Yes, I understand that that I must be in a caloric deficit.  I also understand that if i eat something with higher fat content it will therefore mean more calories because fat has 9 calories per gram I believe it is.

I'm sorry I don't believe that about sugar becuase of insulin spike can promote fat storage..

wiggs, more fat equals less fat burning. your very true in the first one. and why? yoru also correct its because it has calories.  

sugar, and all carbohydrates(besides fructose) cause increase in blood glucose, which causes the pancrease to release insulin, insulin is a storeage/growth hormone that lowers blood glucose back to normal levels after eating carbohydrates.  insulin, while active, turns off fat burning, and if there isnt enough room in muscle tissue for the total glucose that youve eaten, then insulin can push some glucose into fat as well.

now, insulin rarely ever causes fat gain unless its accompanied by moderate or high fat intake.  this is because fat can not be stored any where in any for, except for as fat.  when the only available energy is glucose, insulin does not make one fat, eating a surplus of calories does.

now, with that being said...it may appear that fat and carbs woudl then be interchangeable... but its not the case, with fat being easier to digest and requiring less energy for the digestion process, and with fat having a very low "burn off" effect when over eaten, and with the fact that fat is stored very easily as body fat for a plethora of reasons...namely:it ALREADY is fat..(no conversion necessary)

carbs are far superior to fat...regardless wether trying to get big or get lean...   eat adequate protein, essential fats, and then fill in the rest of calorie intake with as much glucose as possible.

[Parker]

Try Yerba Mate Tea, preferably the Yerba Mate Royale brand in powder form. I call this "Crack Tea".

[aglifter]

Basically, try not to mix carbs and fat.

Moderate carb intake will raise you blood sugar.  Your pancreas reacts by producing and releasing insulin which effectively removes blood glucose.  An additional effect of insulin is that it causes fat storage.

If you eat carbs and protein during the first half of the day and switch over to fat and protein during the second half, you should be good to go.

[dustin]

Animal fat does not make you fat. That sounds like hippy vegan bullshit. It's paramount if you want to be a big strong man and not a sobbing, disheveled vagina. Trans fat it something to stay away from. Fats in any processed food basically, but animal fat, no. Eat it in moderate amounts. It's just like dietary cholesterol, you need it to purge it and to operate properly. Extremely important for hormone development.

Don't listen to the twiggy pussies, Wiggs. Eat an array of fats, primarily healthy fats but don't shun animal fats unless it's in a huge abundance. Most people don't get enough "good" fat in their diet. Try upping while you tighten your diet and watch the BODYFAT fall off.

[Coach is Back!]

I understand that too many carbs and sugar makes you put on weight but lets say I was dieting with 80/20 fat vs 95/5 lean meat (1st number is lean 2nd is fat content) and add a little cheese but carbs and sugar is non existent.  Will that affect me getting lean?  I understand too much isn't good for cholesterol but what about leans?

This was the result of a high protein, high fat and very low carb diet. When I say high fat I mean anything and everything that didn't have carbs in it.




We were doing "Atkins" before it was even a fad.