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Stupak voted Yes.
« on: March 21, 2010, 01:27:12 PM »
Saying President Obama signed an Executive Order excluding public monies from paying for abortions.

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Re: Stupak voted Yes.
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2010, 01:31:42 PM »
obama still has to sign it stells, he will sign it after it passes if im not mistaken...What I think will likely happen is obama will make a token gesture and sign something that equates to nothing more than a publicity stunt leaving the door open for publicly funded abortions.

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Re: Stupak voted Yes.
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2010, 01:36:42 PM »
obama still has to sign it stells, he will sign it after it passes if im not mistaken...What I think will likely happen is obama will make a token gesture and sign something that equates to nothing more than a publicity stunt leaving the door open for publicly funded abortions.


Some Congressman buddy of STupak's was interviewed and said he had spoken to him in the last hour and told him that another Executive Order could be signed rescinding the first...and a former Governor said legislation could be passed to rescind the EO as well
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Re: Stupak voted Yes.
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2010, 01:43:29 PM »

Some Congressman buddy of STupak's was interviewed and said he had spoken to him in the last hour and told him that another Executive Order could be signed rescinding the first...and a former Governor said legislation could be passed to rescind the EO as well
correct I think they were saying that even if obama signed an executive order that he could simply sign another one to rescend the first. I could be wrong but I dont think he has signed anything yet in regards to this bill and abortion as this bill isnt law as of yet. He would have to wait to see what the final bill looks like as the final language may change due to ammendments made in the senate.

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Re: Stupak voted Yes.
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2010, 01:47:59 PM »
isn't abortion part of a seperate "attached" bill and not the main thing?
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Re: Stupak voted Yes.
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2010, 01:52:47 PM »
That's a good compromise.  Even though EO's can be rescinded, Obama would be committing political suicide if he did that. 

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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2010, 01:56:26 PM »
isn't abortion part of a seperate "attached" bill and not the main thing?
ahhh I think the original stupak language was an ammendment to one of the bills. I dont think any language specifically addresses the subject in the health care bill only relys on the hyde language which has to be approved every year I believe or couple years. I think the reps will try to get an ammendment in the senate though when this bill goes to them.

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Re: Stupak voted Yes.
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2010, 02:05:51 PM »


Stupak Announces Deal With White House on Abortion Funding Ban


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updated March 21, 2010

Stupak Announces Deal With White House on Abortion Funding Bantaxpayer money goes to abortion services, Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., who led Democratic lawmakers opposed to the Senate bill, said Sunday.

Stupak made the announcement surrounded by a handful of Democratic lawmakers who had held out their "yes" votes on a massive health insurance overhaul set for a vote on Sunday over abortion. The swing appeared to give Democratic leaders enough votes to pass the 10-year, nearly $1 trillion legislation.

"I'm pleased to announce that we have an agreement, and it's with the help of the president and the speaker we were able to come to an agreement to protect the sanctity of life in the health care reform. There will be no public funding for abortion in this legislation," Stupak said.

Stupak announced support for the bill as the White House issued its statement about the executive order.

The president "will be issuing an executive order after the passage of the health insurance reform law that will reaffirm its consistency with longstanding restrictions on the use of federal funds for abortion," reads a statement from White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer.

"While the legislation as written maintains current law, the executive order provides additional safeguards to ensure that the status quo is upheld and enforced, and that the health care legislation's restrictions against the public funding of abortions cannot be circumvented," the statement reads.

Opponents say an executive order does not have the force of law that legislation would provide.

"That is not the rule of law. That's the rule of man. One man can sign an executive order and one man can repeal that again, the president of the United States," said Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis. "So for those of us in the pro-life movement and the -- and my Democrat friends who are pro-life, that doesn't cut it. A executive order is not something that is permanent law."
House Minority Leader John Boehner added that the executive order "can direct members of the executive branch, it cannot direct the private sector."

"Because of Roe v. Wade, courts have interpreted the decision as a statutory mandate that the government must provide federal funding for elective abortion in through federal programs. In other words, no executive order or regulation can override a statutory mandate unless Congress passes a law that prohibits federal funding from being used in this manner," Boehner, R-Ohio, said in a statement.

Stupak had frustrated Democratic liberals who said they were fine with the language in the Senate health care that stipulated taxpayer money for abortions not be used by private insurance plans operating in a new insurance marketplace.

Opponents of the Senate bill, however, had wanted more rigorous language like that which had passed the House in November under the "Stupak amendment." Stupak said statutory language would've been preferable but would not pass the Senate.

But concerns seemed to be allayed by the executive order even though the Senate bill creates a tricky accounting technique to separate out federal subsidies for premiums on plans that allow abortion coverage and those that do not.

He added that he was confident the language would not be rescinded by Obama.

The president "said there will be no federal dollars for abortion. The president has put his commitment in writing," Stupak said. "This is a very extensive order, he does not plan on rescinding it."

Health insurance provided by government-run exchanges is not set to go into effect until 2014, after the 2012 election.

Stupak said he was confident the changes in the language would give House Speaker Nancy Pelosi the numbers she needed to pass the bill universally opposed by Republicans though he hesitated on the count.

"We're well past 216," he said, later adding, "I think we're pretty darn close to having 216, yes."
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Re: Stupak voted Yes.
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2010, 02:19:54 PM »
Well there goes the neighborhood. 

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Re: Stupak voted Yes.
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2010, 02:22:29 PM »
A text of the pending executive order follows:

Executive Order

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ensuring enforcement and implementation of abortion restrictions in the patient protection and affordable care act

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” (approved March __, 2010), I hereby order as follows:

Section 1. Policy.

Following the recent passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (“the Act”), it is necessary to establish an adequate enforcement mechanism to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered), consistent with a longstanding Federal statutory restriction that is commonly known as the Hyde Amendment. The purpose of this Executive Order is to establish a comprehensive, government-wide set of policies and procedures to achieve this goal and to make certain that all relevant actors—Federal officials, state officials (including insurance regulators) and health care providers—are aware of their responsibilities, new and old.

The Act maintains current Hyde Amendment restrictions governing abortion policy and extends those restrictions to the newly-created health insurance exchanges. Under the Act, longstanding Federal laws to protect conscience (such as the Church Amendment, 42 U.S.C. §300a-7, and the Weldon Amendment, Pub. L. No. 111-8, §508(d)(1) (2009)) remain intact and new protections prohibit discrimination against health care facilities and health care providers because of an unwillingness to provide, pay for, provide coverage of, or refer for abortions.

Numerous executive agencies have a role in ensuring that these restrictions are enforced, including the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), and the Office of Personnel Management (OPM).

Section 2. Strict Compliance with Prohibitions on Abortion Funding in Health Insurance Exchanges. The Act specifically prohibits the use of tax credits and cost-sharing reduction payments to pay for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered) in the health insurance exchanges that will be operational in 2014. The Act also imposes strict payment and accounting requirements to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services in exchange plans (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered) and requires state health insurance commissioners to ensure that exchange plan funds are segregated by insurance companies in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles, OMB funds management circulars, and accounting guidance provided by the Government Accountability Office.

I hereby direct the Director of OMB and the Secretary of HHS to develop, within 180 days of the date of this Executive Order, a model set of segregation guidelines for state health insurance commissioners to use when determining whether exchange plans are complying with the Act’s segregation requirements, established in Section 1303 of the Act, for enrollees receiving Federal financial assistance. The guidelines shall also offer technical information that states should follow to conduct independent regular audits of insurance companies that participate in the health insurance exchanges. In developing these model guidelines, the Director of OMB and the Secretary of HHS shall consult with executive agencies and offices that have relevant expertise in accounting principles, including, but not limited to, the Department of the Treasury, and with the Government Accountability Office. Upon completion of those model guidelines, the Secretary of HHS should promptly initiate a rulemaking to issue regulations, which will have the force of law, to interpret the Act’s segregation requirements, and shall provide guidance to state health insurance commissioners on how to comply with the model guidelines.

Section 3. Community Health Center Program.

The Act establishes a new Community Health Center (CHC) Fund within HHS, which provides additional Federal funds for the community health center program. Existing law prohibits these centers from using federal funds to provide abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered), as a result of both the Hyde Amendment and longstanding regulations containing the Hyde language. Under the Act, the Hyde language shall apply to the authorization and appropriations of funds for Community Health Centers under section 10503 and all other relevant provisions. I hereby direct the Secretary of HHS to ensure that program administrators and recipients of Federal funds are aware of and comply with the limitations on abortion services imposed on CHCs by existing law. Such actions should include, but are not limited to, updating Grant Policy Statements that accompany CHC grants and issuing new interpretive rules.

Section 4. General Provisions.

(a) Nothing in this Executive Order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect: (i) authority granted by law or presidential directive to an agency, or the head thereof; or (ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This Executive Order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) This Executive Order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity against the United States, its departments, agencies, entities, officers, employees or agents, or any other person.

THE WHITE HOUSE,

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/21/text-white-house-on-abortion-related-executive-order/?hpt=T1

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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2010, 02:59:11 PM »
Fat Lady is singing!  :D :D :D

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2010, 03:04:36 PM »
Fat Lady is singing!  :D :D :D

of course...fat lazy bitch wants free health care without working for it
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Re: Stupak voted Yes.
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2010, 03:55:43 PM »
of course...fat lazy bitch wants free health care without working for it

lol

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Re: Stupak voted Yes.
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2010, 04:50:02 PM »
Saying President Obama signed an Executive Order excluding public monies from paying for abortions.

hey bro

where ya been dude?

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Re: Stupak voted Yes.
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2010, 09:31:03 PM »

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Re: Stupak voted Yes.
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2010, 09:34:25 PM »
::)

I didnt get that, stells is a woman straw

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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2010, 09:46:36 PM »
I didnt get that, stells is a woman straw

bum knows what I'm talking about

I've never met stella so I have no idea if he/she is a man or woman

how do you know?

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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2010, 09:47:19 PM »
has anyone heard the story that some other congressman called Stupak a baby killer?

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Re: Stupak voted Yes.
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2010, 09:54:57 PM »
bum knows what I'm talking about

I've never met stella so I have no idea if he/she is a man or woman

how do you know?
im lost...well first she says she is a woman, crazy i know  ;)

second there are a few pics of her floating around and she sure looks like a woman, a quite nice looking woman if I do say so myself

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Re: Stupak voted Yes.
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2010, 10:03:08 PM »
im lost...well first she says she is a woman, crazy i know  ;)

second there are a few pics of her floating around and she sure looks like a woman, a quite nice looking woman if I do say so myself

I don't know if I've ever used this word on the board (if I have I don't remember), but only a complete douchebag would pick a fight or have a problem with Stella.   ::)  And yes "Straw Man," I'm talking about you. 

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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2010, 10:04:37 PM »
im lost...well first she says she is a woman, crazy i know  ;)

second there are a few pics of her floating around and she sure looks like a woman, a quite nice looking woman if I do say so myself

ok - i have no proof that he/she is a guy or a girl



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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2010, 10:05:18 PM »
I don't know if I've ever used this word on the board (if I have I don't remember), but only a complete douchebag would pick a fight or have a problem with Stella.   ::)  And yes "Straw Man," I'm talking about you. 

how I am picking a fight with her/him?

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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2010, 10:14:22 PM »
I don't know if I've ever used this word on the board (if I have I don't remember), but only a complete douchebag would pick a fight or have a problem with Stella.   ::)  And yes "Straw Man," I'm talking about you. 
agreed stella is just to nice to fight with, have never seen her post one mean comment...plus she is my getbig G-MA  ;)

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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2010, 10:17:18 PM »
agreed stella is just to nice to fight with, have never seen her post one mean comment...plus she is my getbig G-MA  ;)

who's fighting with her/him?

I like Stella whatever he or she is

she or he has always been nice to me

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Re: Stupak voted Yes.
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2010, 10:21:55 PM »
who's fighting with her/him?

I like Stella whatever he or she is

she or he has always been nice to me
I was simply agreeing the with beach, not saying you are

what makes you think that she maybe a he?