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What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« on: March 21, 2010, 09:34:41 PM »
He couldn't get a single Republican vote.  He could barely convince a majority of his own party to vote for the bill.  He couldn't convince a majority of the American people to support the bill.  So what exactly did he achieve here?  I'm not talking about what the bill will supposedly do.  I'm talking his ability to lead.   

Certainly didn't show how he can bring the parties together, get public support, etc.  The fact he had to twist the arm of his own party (probably through bribes) speaks volumes. 

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2010, 09:36:59 PM »
His two major initiatives thus far: Stim bill and healthcare.  Check and check.
Next?  Amnesty (backdooring it in) and cap trade (renamed pollution control)


I don't think he gives a rats ass about being seen as a good leader.  He has a leftist agenda, and gues what... he's passing it, piece by piece.  He's said he'll trade being a 1-term president if it means enacting everything he wants, and it's looking like that so far.

While you worry about "how obama is viewed",  healthcare, stim, amnesty, cap/trade are all cruising by.

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2010, 09:39:22 PM »
Nothing is cruising.  He barely got the votes he needed today and as tony has pointed out, this may never become law. 

I really see this as an enormous step backward from a leadership perspective. 

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2010, 09:41:08 PM »
They can sue, and they will, but the reality of it is, the bill passed.  As did the stim, and even FOX's Rivera admitted tonight the economy is turning around and he's gonna get credit for it, which may hurt GOP comeback chances in 2010.   

His bills are passing.  He's getting shit done, any way possible.


But hey, the world needs more leadership analysis threads.  Carry on!

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2010, 09:42:18 PM »
Nothing is cruising.  He barely got the votes he needed today and as tony has pointed out, this may never become law. 

I really see this as an enormous step backward from a leadership perspective. 

Explain that to me please?  Maybe I'm an idiot, isn't it law when it's passed?  ???
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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2010, 09:45:51 PM »
repubs are saying they're gonna sue. 


call the wahmbulance.....

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2010, 09:45:58 PM »
Explain that to me please?  Maybe I'm an idiot, isn't it law when it's passed?  ???
they basically passed the senate bill with ammendments now this bill has to go back to the senate for a vote on the bill but really basically on the ammendments since all but those have been approved by the senate. Then it will be sent to obama for him to sign and make it law, then you will have uber law suits LOL that will carry on for decades no doubt.

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2010, 09:47:07 PM »
Explain that to me please?  Maybe I'm an idiot, isn't it law when it's passed?  ???

A bill doesn't become law until the president signs it.  If it's challenged (like at least two states have said they will), it may not be enforceable till it works its way through the courts.  For all intents and purposes, it's a symbolic vote for least the next four or five years.  

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2010, 09:47:43 PM »
they basically passed the senate bill with ammendments now this bill has to go back to the senate for a vote on the bill but really basically on the ammendments since all but those have been approved by the senate. Then it will be sent to obama for him to sign and make it law, then you will have uber law suits LOL that will carry on for decades no doubt.

Yeah.  What he said.   :)

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2010, 09:49:56 PM »

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2010, 09:51:05 PM »
Well I'm assuming Obama will sign it, so lets hope it's stopped one of the other ways you two mentioned...  :o
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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2010, 09:55:36 PM »
Do you think there's any chance of the Senate rejecting it this time around?

Maybe if these lunatics sleep on it they'll see what's right?
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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2010, 09:56:49 PM »
Well I'm assuming Obama will sign it, so lets hope it's stopped one of the other ways you two mentioned...  :o
will be interesting to say the least, if the senate makes ammendments it will have to be sent back to the house for them to approve it before it gets sent to obama...

so this is possibly very far from being over, however they could pass it as is and it could be on obamas desk very soon.

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2010, 10:01:12 PM »
Do you think there's any chance of the Senate rejecting it this time around?

Maybe if these lunatics sleep on it they'll see what's right?
hmmm dont know,  there is still alot of procedural stuff that I think needs to be cleared up...what reconciliation will actually allow as it is supposedly only for things relating to the budget or deficit cant remember its late, whether or not obamas executive order actually does anything b/c if it doesnt some anti abortion dems may vote against it.


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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2010, 12:00:00 AM »
repubs are saying they're gonna sue. 


call the wahmbulance.....

To be more precise the states say they are going to sue, which they have a constitutional right to do. You can't infringe on the sovereignty of the states and hopefully the courts will keep that in mind. However, I guarantee you the White House will do all it can to keep the states out of the court.

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2010, 12:02:31 AM »
As for what Obama accomplished, simple, he laid the foundation, he opened the door to lead to a single payer system.
Or in more accurate terms, he came one step closer to making the constitution obsolete.

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2010, 02:29:11 AM »
What exactly did he achieve?

Something no previous administration Dem or Republican had the will, stamina, testicular fortitude to get done.
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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2010, 03:41:34 AM »
He couldn't get a single Republican vote.  He could barely convince a majority of his own party to vote for the bill.  He couldn't convince a majority of the American people to support the bill.  So what exactly did he achieve here?  I'm not talking about what the bill will supposedly do.  I'm talking his ability to lead.   

Certainly didn't show how he can bring the parties together, get public support, etc.  The fact he had to twist the arm of his own party (probably through bribes) speaks volumes. 


When you read FoxNews, CNN, or pretty much any news outlet, this is a major win for Obama.

This is what he pretty much campaigned on, and if he would've lost this, he would've been a lame duck.

Now on the other hand, he's been able to do what no other president has been able to do before him.

JFK, Clinton and five other presidents have all tried to introduce it.

Whether it is a good thing or not, that is debatable.

But I think once this is put into writing, the support for Obama and those who voted yes will grow.

Because there is always better to be a "doer" rather than an "obstructionist".

Just look at the Iraq war.

It was the wrong thing to do. There were no WMD's. Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the attack on USA.

But it was the popular thing to do.

And those who opposed it back then really took a rough beating in polls.


I think perhaps the Republicans should've at one point decided that the bill was gonna pass and that they would be better off dealing in their own demands on condition on getting a unanimous vote.

That way they could've been seen as the "doers", and as the guys who made sure the health care bill ended up fiscally responsible and with freedom, et al.
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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2010, 04:49:48 AM »
The GOP would have been holding a victory parade, calling it the win of the decade, if the bill had failed.

Yet when it passes, the dems can't call it a victory.  Weird.

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2010, 05:12:37 AM »
The GOP would have been holding a victory parade, calling it the win of the decade, if the bill had failed.

Yet when it passes, the dems can't call it a victory.  Weird.


How so?  If the reps had won, the dems would have said the same thing...."its a travesty to the American people..." blah, blah, blah....

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2010, 05:37:55 AM »
yep.  whining like little bitches. 

the media was so funny.  The MSNBS people were celebrating "something we've all worked so hard for and waited for, for so very long".

On FOX, it was more like 4 hot chicks talking about how this will destory America, with Geraldo playing devils advocate with softball Qs.  "Michael steele, do you REALLY think your money campaign will get pelosi fired?"

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2010, 05:42:26 AM »
His two major initiatives thus far: Stim bill and healthcare.  Check and check.
Next?  Amnesty (backdooring it in) and cap trade (renamed pollution control)


I don't think he gives a rats ass about being seen as a good leader.  He has a leftist agenda, and gues what... he's passing it, piece by piece.  He's said he'll trade being a 1-term president if it means enacting everything he wants, and it's looking like that so far.

While you worry about "how obama is viewed",  healthcare, stim, amnesty, cap/trade are all cruising by.

I know a doctor who I asked about this plan and you know what his answer to me was? 

"Stay as healthy as you can and avoid the need for any medical care, because you wont be able to get eventually". 

Anyone cheerring on this treason really should just be fucking shot at this point.  We have 12 Trillian on debt, 107 Trillion in unfunded liabilites we have no way to pay for, and people think its a good thing to add another entitlement on all of this? 

How fucking stupid are you people?

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2010, 05:51:34 AM »
"How fucking stupid are you people?"

I've called the bill a crap sandwich for 6 months, and my post above was about nothing more than his political strategy.

It's a call for repubs to WAKE THE FVCK UP and stop celebrating after the first quarter.  you remember posting how "Palin destroyed health care reform with her facebook post!" and "Scott brown is vote 41 - the bill is dead!"  Both turned out to be false, and this POS bill passed.

So I don't think it's fair to call me stupid here.

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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2010, 05:55:57 AM »
"How fucking stupid are you people?"

I've called the bill a crap sandwich for 6 months, and my post above was about nothing more than his political strategy.

It's a call for repubs to WAKE THE FVCK UP and stop celebrating after the first quarter.  you remember posting how "Palin destroyed health care reform with her facebook post!" and "Scott brown is vote 41 - the bill is dead!"  Both turned out to be false, and this POS bill passed.

So I don't think it's fair to call me stupid here.

I'm not calling you stupid 240.  I know you dont like this bill. 

However, to me the sad reality is that we are now a nation of Julios, Henriettas, and Peggys, we are finished and going the way of Rome from within very quickly. 


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Re: What exactly did Obama accomplish with healthcare reform?
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2010, 05:59:17 AM »
to pass healthcare reform bam bam lied , cheated, bent rules, and paid people off,  the exact thing he said was going to stop in washington if he became president,   hope you all are enjoying the ass fucking this lieing piece of shit is shelling out