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« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2010, 07:18:57 PM »

it's more convenient to listen to it on the ipod, on the way to work in the morning...

Why waste money if you don't have to..

Save the extra money for health insurance and taxes

I like reading a physical book.  It sticks in my memory better.  Also, I like listening to the fire breathers on talk radio on the way to work in the morning instead.  Grin  Grin
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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2010, 07:23:02 PM »

I like reading a physical book.  It sticks in my memory better.  Also, I like listening to the fire breathers on talk radio on the way to work in the morning instead.  Grin  Grin

Didn't Obama say your not a good american if you listen to Rush & company...

however, the fed wasn't bad...I listened to it...helped Ty-in a lot of CT's together
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« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2010, 11:44:00 AM »

Poll: 40% Think Obama Is a Socialist
Thursday, 25 Mar 2010     
By: Jennifer Harper

Certain robust public perceptions about President Obama have surfaced among average citizens rather than so-called "wingnuts" and "lunatic fringe."

A Harris Poll released Wednesday found that 40 percent of Americans say Mr. Obama is a socialist, a third think he's a Muslim, a quarter think he was not even born in the U.S., is not eligible to be president and is a "domestic enemy that the U.S. Constitution speaks of."

The pollster asked provocative questions indeed, with equally provocative findings.

Special: Is Obama a Socialist? Do You Agree With the 40 percent? Vote Here Now.

Among other things, the poll also found that three-out-of-10 Americans think Mr. Obama "wants to turn over the sovereignty of the U.S. to a one-world government." About an equal number - 29 percent - said he had "done many things that are unconstitutional" while 27 percent said "he resents America's heritage."

Between 20 percent and 23 percent said Mr. Obama is "a racist," "anti-American" and "is doing many of the things that Hitler did." Fourteen percent went so far as to agree that Mr. Obama "may be the anti-Christ" while 13 percent said "he wants the terrorists to win."

Predictably, there was a huge partisan divide. For example, 67 percent of both Republicans and conservatives said Mr. Obama was a socialist, compared with 14 percent of Democrats and 15 percent of liberals.

"The very large numbers of people who believe all these things of President Obama help to explain the size and strength of the 'tea party movement,' a topic that will be addressed in another Harris Poll in a few days time," said Harris Poll Chairman Humphrey Taylor.

"These new numbers are shocking but not surprising - they detail the extent to which 'wingnuts' are hijacking our politics. This poll should be a wake-up call to all Americans about the real costs of using fear and hate to pump up hyper-partisanship," John Avlon, author of "Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe Is Hijacking America" told the Harris pollster.

"We are playing with dynamite by demonizing our president and dividing our country in the process. Americans need to remember the perspective that Wingnuts always forget - patriotism is more important than partisanship," Mr. Avlon said.

The findings garnered other critical - as well as comedic - reactions.

ABC News polling director Gary Langer questioned the "highly manipulative" and "unbalanced" polling practices in the survey of 2,320 adults, conducted online March 1-8.

The Hartford Courant newspaper assembled its own mock poll, quipping that "Republicans believe Obama is from Lovetron and therefore not eligible to be president." The poll also inspired late night comic and talk show host Jimmy Kimmel.

"Thirty eight percent believe hes like Hitler? How is that possible? He doesnt even have a mustache?" Mr. Kimmel demanded.

"MSNBC repeatedly hammered the incendiary findings of the Harris poll," said Scott Whitlock, an analyst at the conservative Media Research Center.

Anchors David Shuster and Dylan Ratigan pondered the findings. Mr. Shuster eventually said the poll suggested "that general hatred of President Obama on the right - which may be fueling the lunatic fringe - is more widespread than previously thought."

Mr. Whitlock questioned their close attention to the survey.

"One has to ask, why would MSNBC be so fascinated by the findings of an online poll? The Harris survey definitely paints Republicans and conservatives in a bad light. And that might account for MSNBC's intense interest," Mr. Whitlock said.

http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/Poll-40percent-Obama-Socialist/2010/03/25/id/353810
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« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2010, 09:41:54 AM »

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« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2010, 09:47:41 AM »

rhetorical question?  Grin

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« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2010, 01:16:51 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2010, 01:19:50 PM »

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« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2010, 01:22:47 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2010, 01:25:26 PM »

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« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2010, 02:06:32 PM »

No, not a communist.  Just the standard fearmongering from the opposite sides of the political aisle.  It wasn't so long ago when all people heard was how evil and conniving Bush and Cheney were in regards to false-flag attacks, suspending elections, setting up wars, and the evil plot by Granddad Prescott Bush to overthrow FDR.  The news would broadcast all day the various anti-war rallies held everywhere.  We still have two wars going on, where are the rallies at now?  Bush Dubya is only mentioned when the financial mess blame is handed out.

This is funny.  I see several people stating that Obama is a puppet of billionaires and other global power elites.  Name them.  In what way and how are they controlling Obama?  I'm hardpressed to come up with an answer to how the hell would Obama even have the time to being "brainwashed" by these nameless global elites with just the normal routines that a president does.  Then, I see another post where someone claims(and truthfully so) that 95% of what you see from a politician is bullshit, a front.  A lot of the shit I'm seeing here in regards to all the conspiracy-theory stuff regarding Obama looks as if it comes out of a science fiction movie.  I don't agree with a lot of his policies and views and have an even less favorable view of those he surrounds himself with, but c'mon now...a puppet controlled by lizard-people?  Grin
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« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2010, 02:11:10 PM »

Soros, Buffet, Dimon, Blankfein et al. 

Just look at who bankrolled his campaign. 
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« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2010, 12:10:53 PM »

From Andrew Napolitano:

He believes American is in danger of becoming "a fascist country," which he defines as "private ownership, but government control." He adds, "The government doesn't have the money to own anything. But it has the force and the threat of violence to control just about anything it wants. That will rapidly expand under President Obama, unless and until the midterm elections give us a midterm correction which everyone seems to think, and I'm in that group, is about to come our way.

http://newsmax.com/Headline/Andrew-Napolitano-barack-obama/2010/03/26/id/354008

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« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2010, 12:16:06 PM »

From Andrew Napolitano:

He believes American is in danger of becoming "a fascist country," which he defines as "private ownership, but government control." He adds, "The government doesn't have the money to own anything. But it has the force and the threat of violence to control just about anything it wants. That will rapidly expand under President Obama, unless and until the midterm elections give us a midterm correction which everyone seems to think, and I'm in that group, is about to come our way.

http://newsmax.com/Headline/Andrew-Napolitano-barack-obama/2010/03/26/id/354008



Beach, elections dont matter anymore.  The infrastructure is being put into place that no matter who is elected it doesnt matter anymore. 

Serious, lets say the gop takes over the congress and has a slim majority.  What could they possibly get done?  Answer - nothing.   
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« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2010, 12:23:18 PM »

Beach, elections dont matter anymore.  The infrastructure is being put into place that no matter who is elected it doesnt matter anymore. 

Serious, lets say the gop takes over the congress and has a slim majority.  What could they possibly get done?  Answer - nothing.   

True, although if the House and Senate are split they'll do less damage. 
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« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2010, 12:26:48 PM »

True, although if the House and Senate are split they'll do less damage. 

Check this out

www.usdebtclock.org


Its over. 
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« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2010, 12:38:47 PM »

Check this out

www.usdebtclock.org


Its over. 

Geeze Louise.   Undecided
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« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2010, 03:24:17 PM »

Just look at what he has done since taking office: 

- Government control of the healthcare system.

- Someone told me the bill includes a requirement for a National ID card and access to bank accounts and personal records.  Is this true? 

- The federal government has taken over the automobile, mortgage, and banking industries. 

- The federal government has taken control of student loans. 

- Obama wants to cap private sector salaries. 

- Obama wants to give amnesty to illegal aliens. 

I know people have thrown around the communist label mainly as a pejorative, but his actions appear to be leading to one conclusion.   Undecided

wait, I gotta ask.  Under Bush you were not against the National ID card and it took talking about how much it will cost the taxpayers to get any concern from you.  Now the National ID is an sign of communism? 
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« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2010, 04:45:08 PM »

Whats the BIG deal with getting a National ID card?

I have a passport and Driver's license, why shouldn't i want to get one?

I agree.  We all have social security cards/numbers too. 
 
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« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2010, 04:52:02 PM »

If anyone here met obama, would they actually ask him if he is a communist?
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« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2010, 04:52:56 PM »

Of course Obama is a Commie

Everyone at Goldman Sachs is also a Commie

Seriously, even Warren Buffet is a Commie

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« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2010, 04:58:59 AM »

Of course Obama is a Commie

Everyone at Goldman Sachs is also a Commie

Seriously, even Warren Buffet is a Commie

no joke

I assume your being sarcastic with your comment about Goldman
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« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2010, 05:08:04 AM »

I assume your being sarcastic with your comment about Goldman
who at Goldman Sachs walked out on principle of the bailout?  Who at Goldman road the wave knowing full well where it would go?   Straw said "no joke"  I agree with him.  No joke, they knew what they were doing and if we're to call Obama a socialist... I don't see how you escape including them.
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« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2010, 05:51:55 AM »

Right Straw - because Wall Street has never financed communists in the past.   Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

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Wall Street funded Communists

Professor Sutton stated, "Western textbooks on Soviet economic development omit any description of the economic and financial aid given to the 1917 Revolution and subsequent economic development by Western Firms and banks." "In the Bolshevik Revolution we have some of the world's richest and most powerful men financing a movement which claims its very existence is based on the concept of stripping of their wealth," declared Allen. "[M]en like the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Schiffs, Warburgs, Morgans, Harrimans, and Milners."

Perloff agreed, "Jacob Schiff, the head of Kuhn, Loeb and Co., heavily bankrolled the [Communist] revolution. This was reported by White Russian General Arsine de Goulevitch in his book Czarism and the Revolution." "According to his grandson John," described Allen, "Jacob Schiff ... long-time associate of the Rothschilds, financed the Communist Revolution in Russia to the tune of $20 million." He continued, "According to a report on file with the State Department, his firm, Kuhn Loeb and Co. bankrolled the first five year plan for Stalin," and added, "Schiff's descendents are active in the Council on Foreign Relations today."

Referring to the emergence of a communist dictatorship which resulted from the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, Professor Marrs wrote that they were funded by "Germany and America. ... Their repugnant campaign to purify and cleanse Mother Russia and to seek world domination resulted in ... [millions of] human beings wiped out and brutally purged..." He attested, "Brown Brothers Harriman" helped finance it with "money made possible by it and the affiliated Guaranty Trust Company." Professor Sutton agreed, writing "W. Averell Harriman was a director of Guaranty Trust Company" and "was involved in the Bolshevik Revolution."

On February 3, 1949, the New York Journal-American stated, "Today it is estimated even by Jacob's grandson, John Schiff, a prominent member of New York Society, that the old man sank about $20,000,000 for the final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia. Other New York banking firms also contributed."

Referring to a June 15, 1933, Congressional Record, Allen wrote "Congressman Louis McFadden, chairman of the House Banking Committee, maintained in a speech to his fellow Congressman: "The Soviet government has been given United States Treasure funds by the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks acting through the Chase Bank and the Guaranty Trust Company and other banks in New York City. ... Open up the books of Amtorg, the trading organization of the Soviet government in New York, and of Gostorg, the general office of the Soviet Trade Organization, and of the State Bank of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and you will be staggered to see how much American money has been taken from the United States' Treasury for the benefit of Russia."

"Now our textbooks tell us that the Nazis and Soviets were bitter enemies and their systems are opposites," observed Professor Sutton. But in the "1920s, W. Averell Harriman was a prime supporter of the Soviets with finance and diplomatic assistance ... [and] participated in RUSKOMBANK," which was "the first Soviet commercial bank. Furthermore, Max May, the Vice President of Guaranty Trust, which was dominated by Harriman and Morgan, became the first Vice-President of Ruskombank." However, declared Professor Sutton, "Averell Harriman, his brother Roland Harriman, and ... E.S. James and Knight Woolley, through the Union Bank ... were prime financial backers of Hitler." He asked, "How could a rational man support Soviets and Nazis at the same time?"

A curious dilemma arises when faced with the documented fact that Wall Street funded both Communists and Nazis. First, it would seem these two forms of government are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. And that capitalists would see them as a threat to their growth. Allen provides a possible answer, writing, "But obviously these men have no fear of international Communism. It is only logical to assume that if they financed it, and are willing--even eager--to cooperate with it, it must be because they control it. Can there be another explanation that makes sense?" He adds, "Remember that for over 100 years it has been a standard operating procedure of the Rockefellers and their allies to control both sides of every conflict."

Before Winston Churchill became Prime Minister of Great Britain, he acknowledged a conscious effort of wealthy people to install a communist dictatorship in Russia. He wrote in the February 18th, 1920 issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald, that "From the days of Spartacus [Adam] Weishaupt ... to those of Karl Marx, to those of Trotsky, Bella Kuhn, Rose Luxembourg, and Emma Goldman, this world-wide conspiracy has been steadily growing." He affirmed, "It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last, this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

After the Bolshevik Revolution, Wall Street ensured the communists would retain control of Russia. Professor Sutton described this effort when he wrote, "On may 1st, 1918, when the Bolsheviks controlled only a small fraction of Russia (and were to come near to losing even that fraction in the summer of 1918), the American League to Aid and Cooperate with Russia was organized in Washington, D.C to support the Bolsheviks. This was not a 'Hands off Russia' type of committee formed by the Communist Party U.S.A or its allies. It was a committee created by Wall Street with George P. Whalen of Vacuum Oil Company as Treasurer and Coffin and Oudin of General Electric, along with Thompson of the Federal Reserve System, Willard of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad, and assorted socialists."

"The Bolsheviks were not a visible political force at the time the Czar abdicated," Allen wrote. "And they came to power not because of the downtrodden masses of Russia called them back, but because very powerful men in Europe and the United States sent them in. "They [Lenin and Trotsky] joined up, and, by November, though bribery, cunning, brutality and deception, they were able (not to bring the masses rallying to their cause, but) to hire enough thugs and make enough deals to impose out of the gun barrel what Lenin called 'all power to the Soviets.'"

"Having created their colony in Russia," said Allen, "the Rockefellers and their allies have struggled mightily ever since to keep it alive. Beginning in 1918 this clique has been engaged in transferring money and, probably more important, technical information to the Soviet Union." Perloff agreed, writing, "Probably no name symbolized capitalism more than Rockefeller. Yet that family has for decades supplied trade and credit to Communist nations. After the Bolsheviks took power, the Rockefellers' Standard Oil of New Jersey bought up Russian oil fields, while Standard Oil of New York built the soviets a refiner and made an arrangement to market their oil in Europe. During the 1920's the Rockefellers' Chase Bank helped found the American-Russian Chamber of Commerce, and was involved in financing Soviet raw material exports and selling Soviet bonds in the U.S."

According to Senator Barry Goldwater, Chase Manhattan built a truck factory in Russia which could also be used to produce armored vehicles such as tanks and even rocket launchers. Perloff echoed, "American technology helped the Soviets construct the $5 billion Kama River truck factory ... [which was] successfully converted by the Kremlin to military purposes."

Wall Street continued to aid the Russian communists as they supplied the Vietnamese communists that Americans were fighting in Vietnam, says Allen. In the late 60s Rockefeller and other industrialists built synthetic rubber plants and an aluminum factory totaling about 250 million dollars. Professor Sutton observed, "these American capitalists were willing to finance and subsidize the Soviet Union while the Vietnam War was underway, knowing that the Soviets were supplying the other side."

An article appeared in the New York Times on January 16, 1967, which carried the headline, Eaton Joins Rockefellers to Spur Trade with Reds. Perloff summed up the story, "The ensuing story noted that the Rockefellers were teaming up with tycoon Cyrus Eaton, Jr., who was financing for the Soviet block the construction of a $50 million aluminum plant and rubber plants valued at over $200 million." He added, "The Chase, which maintains a branch office at 1 Karl Marx Square in Moscow, has gained notoriety for financing projects behind the Iron Curtain."

Pictured left is Averill Harriman of the CFR (center) with Stalin (right) & Winston Churchill.(*) W. Averill Harriman was made U.S. Ambassador to the USSR in 1941. Allen wrote, "Sutton quotes a report by Averell Harriman to the State Department in June, 1944 as stating: 'Stalin paid tribute to the assistance rendered by the United States to Soviet industry before and during the war.'" "It is not an exaggeration to say that the USSR was made in the USA," observed Allen.

Referring to Professor Sutton's book, Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, he wrote, "No one has even attempted to refute Sutton's almost excessively scholarly works. They can't. But the misinformation machines that compose our mediacracy can ignore Sutton. And they do." The book, added Perloff, "is based on assiduous research, including a deeper probe into State Department files."

Professor Sutton warned, "The synthesis sought by the Establishment is called the New World Order. Without controlled conflict this New World Order will not come about. ... And this is being done with the calculated, managed, use of conflict. ... This explains why the International bankers backed the Nazis, the Soviet Union, [and] North Korea ... against the United States. The 'conflict' ... [builds] profits while pushing the world ever closer to One World Government. The process continues today."

Summary

The evidence that these researchers present, which includes mainstream news and State Department records, suggests that Communist Russia was not only heavily funded by Wall Street, but was the actual creation of Wall Street. The Communist Revolution was instigated by Wall Street. Wall Street continued to build Russia even as they supplied aid to a country that America was at war with. Because they created communist Russia, they must have known about the millions of people being murdered.

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* Photo taken from the Shadows of Power, by James Perloff.

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« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2010, 12:23:12 PM »

wait, I gotta ask.  Under Bush you were not against the National ID card and it took talking about how much it will cost the taxpayers to get any concern from you.  Now the National ID is an sign of communism? 

Actually what I did was ask a question.  Depends on the answer to my question. 
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« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2010, 12:25:43 PM »

None of these people are anything; communists, socialists, capitalists, etc...

They are just greedy, dishonest, disgusting politicians...you don't need a label for that.
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