Author Topic: The Greatest Arnold Classic Winner ever (Read 38672 times)

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #100 on:** March 25, 2010, 02:17:43 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on March 25, 2010, 02:13:17 PM

lol the GP's are not big shows Even though Mr. Olympia frequently competes in them as well as most top 6's

The grand prixs were a quick circuit of shows the O guys did while they were still in shape...not everyone entered them, and not everyone stayed in shape for them either. NOBODY trained specifically for the "Belgian GP"

PS....they are gone. Last time I checked the Arnold is the no. 2 show in the world

bigbobs · « **Reply #101 on:** March 25, 2010, 02:19:56 PM »

Quote from: kiwiol on March 25, 2010, 02:15:34 PM

Groink, dr.chimps, you and me aren't going to be in Bobs' Christmas list at this rate

haha, no that's not the case, I dont the debate of men in thongs personally, if you're not on my Christmas list it's just because I dont celebrate Christmas

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #102 on:** March 25, 2010, 02:21:24 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on March 25, 2010, 02:16:15 PM

How can you say that Wheeler wins all of front relaxed, front lat spread, front double bi, side tricep, etc.? Even rear spread Wheeler was narrow.

And yet he did win these poses directly compared to Nasser many times ever wonder why? you're vision is to narrow

wow Flex was narrow

and Nasser had no back yet he managed to win contests , all things must be considered

tendonitis · « **Reply #103 on:** March 25, 2010, 02:22:07 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on March 25, 2010, 02:13:17 PM

lol the GP's are not big shows Even though Mr. Olympia frequently competes in them as well as most top 6's

Bobs, you've said a lot of funny things over the years but this one probably gave me the biggest laugh......The Grand Prixs HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #104 on:** March 25, 2010, 02:28:11 PM »

Quote from: tendonitis on March 25, 2010, 02:22:07 PM

Bobs, you've said a lot of funny things over the years but this one probably gave me the biggest laugh......The Grand Prixs HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

LOLOLOL...that was funny wasn't it ?

The Grand Prixs were guest posing that just happened to be judged...whoever managed to stay in the best shape after the O won.

MAJOR shows........HAHAHAHAAHA AHAAHAHAAHAAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

XXXII/LX · « **Reply #105 on:** March 25, 2010, 02:31:47 PM »

Quote from: Groink on March 25, 2010, 01:39:48 PM

Not even close....Flex owns him

Year    Competition    Placing
1989    California Championships    Light heavyweight, 1st
1989    Nationals    Light heavyweight, 5th
1990    Junior Nationals    Heavyweight, 2nd
1991    Nationals    Heavyweight, 2nd
1992    USA Championships    Heavyweight & Overall, 1st
1993    Ironman Pro Invitational    1st
1993    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    1st
1993    Mr. Olympia    2nd
1995    Ironman Pro Invitational    1st
1995    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    2nd
1995    South Beach Pro    1st
1995    Mr. Olympia    8th
1995    Grand Prix Spain    5th
1996    Ironman Pro Invitational    1st
1996    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    2nd
1996    Night of Champions    1st
1996    Canada Pro Classic    2nd
1996    Florida Cup Pro    1st
1996    Mr. Olympia    4th
1997    Ironman Pro    1st
1997    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    1st
1997    San Jose Pro    1st
1998    Ironman Pro Invitational    1st
1998    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    1st
1998    Mr. Olympia    2nd
1999    Grand Prix England    2nd
1999    Pro World    2nd
1999    Mr. Olympia    2nd
2000    Mr. Olympia    3rd
2000    Hungarian Grand Prix    1st
2000    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    1st
2000    Ironman Pro Invitational    2nd
2002    Mr. Olympia    7th

Nasser

1990    Grand Prix Finland    8th
1993    Grand Prix Germany    3rd
1993    Grand Prix France    3rd
1994    Night of Champions    2nd
1994    Mr. Olympia    7th
1995    Mr. Olympia    7th
1995    Night of Champions    1st
1995    Houston Pro Invitational    1st
1995    Grand Prix Ukraine    2nd
1995    Grand Prix Spain    3rd
1995    Grand Prix Russia    3rd
1995    Grand Prix Germany    3rd
1995    Grand Prix France    3rd
1995    Grand Prix England    4th
1996    Mr. Olympia    Disqualified
1996    Grand Prix Switzerland    1st
1996    Grand Prix Spain    3rd
1996    Grand Prix Russia    1st
1996    Grand Prix Germany    2nd
1996    Grand Prix England    2nd
1996    Grand Prix Czech Republic    1st
1997    San Jose Pro Invitational    2nd
1997    Mr. Olympia    2nd
1997    Grand Prix Spain    2nd
1997    Grand Prix Russia    3rd
1997    Grand Prix Hungary    2nd
1997    Grand Prix Germany    2nd
1997    Grand Prix Finland    4th
1997    Grand Prix England    3rd
1997    Grand Prix Czech Republic    3rd
1997    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    2nd
1998    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    1st
1998    Mr. Olympia    3rd
1999    Mr. Olympia    6th
1999    Pro World    6th
1999    Grand Prix England    6th
2000    Mr. Olympia    5th
2001    Mr. Olympia    9th
2002    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    10th
2002    Mr. Olympia    15th

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #106 on:** March 25, 2010, 02:34:35 PM »

Quote from: XXXII/LX on March 25, 2010, 02:31:47 PM

hey....I just copied the shit

bigbobs · « **Reply #107 on:** March 25, 2010, 02:36:58 PM »

Quote from: Groink on March 25, 2010, 02:28:11 PM

LOLOLOL...that was funny wasn't it ?

The Grand Prixs were guest posing that just happened to be judged...whoever managed to stay in the best shape after the O won.

MAJOR shows........HAHAHAHAAHA AHAAHAHAAHAAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When Kiwiol uses the Grand Prix example it is a major show?

By major show i mean no show which has Mr. Olympia competiing as well as most of the top 6 is "minor." Minor shoes = stuff like the Ironman, Montreal pro show, etc.

Adder · « **Reply #108 on:** March 25, 2010, 02:37:36 PM »

Team nasser is a big joke of delusional people or just stupid people....

Nasser best year was 96 or 97 and he only won 1 AC in 99 not in his top best ever nasser shape and you compare him to the 4 time AC winner wtf people are you so blinded by his manties?

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #109 on:** March 25, 2010, 02:48:42 PM »

How can you argue Flex's 5 AC's? Speaks for itself

bigbobs · « **Reply #110 on:** March 25, 2010, 02:50:16 PM »

The thread title is not "who won the most # of AC's"

If the answer to every discussion was the # of contest winnings there would not be a single bodybuilding debate on GB.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #111 on:** March 25, 2010, 02:53:37 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on March 25, 2010, 02:50:16 PM

The thread title is not "who won the most # of AC's"

If the answer to every discussion was the # of contest winnings there would not be a single bodybuilding debate on GB.

It factors in in the grand scheme of things its part of the reason Ronnie is considered the greatest bodybuilder of all-time

even if just gauging 93 VS 99 Flex wins , Flex would win , he's in a whole other league than Nasser

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #112 on:** March 25, 2010, 03:02:20 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on March 25, 2010, 02:36:58 PM

When Kiwiol uses the Grand Prix example it is a major show?

By major show i mean no show which has Mr. Olympia competiing as well as most of the top 6 is "minor." Minor shoes = stuff like the Ironman, Montreal pro show, etc.

NO...I don't. No one diets and trains specifically to win a GP show....they don't even exist anymore. The GP's were Glorified guest posings that gave the O guys a chance to win some money while they were still in decent shape. I'm not saying they aren't legit wins...they are.

Shows like the Ironman and Night of champions were second tier shows....but they were shows that guys targeted on the calender to win.

No one EVER said....."I want to dial it in for the English Grand Prix"

bigbobs · « **Reply #113 on:** March 25, 2010, 03:11:24 PM »

Quote from: Groink on March 25, 2010, 03:02:20 PM

NO...I don't. No one diets and trains specifically to win a GP show....they don't even exist anymore. The GP's were Glorified guest posings that gave the O guys a chance to win some money while they were still in decent shape. I'm not saying they aren't legit wins...they are.

Shows like the Ironman and Night of champions were second tier shows....but they were shows that guys targeted on the calender to win.

No one EVER said....."I want to dial it in for the English Grand Prix"

top 6 at the GP shows > the top 6 at an Ironman, even though most are past their peak from the O. More competitive and bigger names, that's what I meant. Seems like a play of semantics.

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #114 on:** March 25, 2010, 03:14:21 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on March 25, 2010, 03:11:24 PM

top 6 at the GP shows > the top 6 at an Ironman, even though most are past their peak from the O. More competitive and bigger names, that's what I meant. Seems like a play of semantics.

I see it one way, you see it another...cool by me.

I'm getting a bit tired lately of the endless, circular debating

bigbobs · « **Reply #115 on:** March 25, 2010, 03:16:46 PM »

Quote from: Groink on March 25, 2010, 03:14:21 PM

I see it one way, you see it another...cool by me.

I'm getting a bit tired lately of the endless, circular debating

me too, not sure how Hulkster and ND have the stamina to go for tens/hundrerds/thousands of pages

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #116 on:** March 25, 2010, 03:18:52 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on March 25, 2010, 03:16:46 PM

me too, not sure how Hulkster and ND have the stamina to go for tens/hundrerds/thousands of pages

Because I enjoy correcting people , it's a hobby

TrueGrit · « **Reply #117 on:** March 25, 2010, 03:19:39 PM »

Quote from: Groink on March 25, 2010, 03:14:21 PM

I'm getting a bit tired lately of the endless, circular debating

It's crazy. Look at ND and Hulkster, they have the exact argument over and over again. Same pictures, same retorts , same insults. No one ever budges an inch or changes the other guy's mind. A total waste of life.

bigbobs · « **Reply #118 on:** March 25, 2010, 03:20:19 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on March 25, 2010, 03:18:52 PM

Because I enjoy correcting people , it's a hobby

One man's correction is another man's error.

tendonitis · « **Reply #119 on:** March 25, 2010, 03:23:24 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on March 25, 2010, 03:18:52 PM

Because I enjoy correcting people , it's a hobby

ND, I'm curious, who would you rate as the top 10 bodybuilders (1 to 10) of the 90s?

bigbobs · « **Reply #120 on:** March 25, 2010, 03:26:03 PM »

Honest question ND - you've concluded in this thread that Wheeler AC 93 beats Coleman AC 01. You also haven't given a conclusive opinion on which wins between Yates 93 (his best) and Coleman 01 (which you feel is Coleman's best). What does that say about your opinion on Wheeler AC 93 vs. Yates O 93.

Seems pretty hard to still argue that this doesn't imply Wheeler at his best would beat Yates at his best.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #121 on:** March 25, 2010, 03:28:31 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on March 25, 2010, 03:20:19 PM

One man's correction is another man's error.

yeah sure and Nasser won the Olympia three times , I deal in facts you deal in delusion and cries of racism and politics and excuses

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #122 on:** March 25, 2010, 03:30:51 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on March 25, 2010, 03:26:03 PM

Honest question ND - you've concluded in this thread that Wheeler AC 93 beats Coleman AC 01. You also haven't given a conclusive opinion on which wins between Yates 93 (his best) and Coleman 01 (which you feel is Coleman's best). What does that say about your opinion on Wheeler AC 93 vs. Yates O 93.

Seems pretty hard to still argue that this doesn't imply Wheeler at his best would beat Yates at his best.

I think I answered this , Flex at his best could beat Dorian at his same with Ronnie 01 I think it would be extremely close but both of them could do it , and Nasser at his absolute best couldn't beat any of them

bigbobs · « **Reply #123 on:** March 25, 2010, 03:31:09 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on March 25, 2010, 03:28:31 PM

yeah sure and Nasser won the Olympia three times , I deal in facts you deal in delusion and cries of racism and politics and excuses

Deserved to win three times (at least) is the opinion

Never said he won them that cant be argued. And the opinion can not be changed, just like you and Hulkster's.

bigbobs · « **Reply #124 on:** March 25, 2010, 03:32:26 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on March 25, 2010, 03:30:51 PM

I think I answered this , Flex at his best could beat Dorian at his same with Ronnie 01 I think it would be extremely close but both of them could do it , and Nasser at his absolute best couldn't beat any of them

I don't mean who "could" beat who, because that can go both ways. Which individual do you think would beat the other out of Wheeler and Yates. Don't dodge the question, you just stated here that you felt Wheeler 93 was better than Ronnie 01 you didn't use the phrase "could have beaten"