The Greatest Arnold Classic Winner ever

[NarcissisticDeity]

right on cue. Thanks for playing

Typical Neo when stifled with facts look for a way out , now what was that about ' intellectual ' yeah I thought so

[NeoSeminole]

Typical Neo when stifled with facts look for a way out , now what was that about ' intellectual ' yeah I thought so

right on cue, my little lap dog.. Right on cue

[NarcissisticDeity]

right on cue, my little lap dog.. Right on cue

Where are you again puppy? right where I wanted you ....in another NarcissisticDeity thread getting your nose rubbed in your own shit by your master 







next 

[NeoSeminole]

Where are you again puppy? right where I wanted you ....in another NarcissisticDeity thread getting your nose rubbed in your own shit by your master

good girl! Right on cue. Now spin around.

[beefcakeblake]

Beefcakeblake is just a Dorian die hard fan and clearly biased. He even wrote that Ronnie looked like "lumps of wet dog shit slabbed on to his body", so you can clearly see that.

And yes, Ronnie destroyed everyone in 1999. I'm saying that being a huge Shawn Ray fan, so I'm not biased.

sure I might be a little biased, but I try to see it like I see it.

like my bodies more like ronnies then dorians but some thing about his muscle type and look bugs the shit out of me, like he's overall to smooth, and his muscle insertions to. He looks like a collection of parts that do not fit together.

[JP_RC]

I just explained what it has to do with Flex , you're a hypocrite who agrees with Flex when it suits your purpose and when it doesn't they're flat-out wrong and all of these quotes prove me right in fact when they say 2001 was his best and NOT 2003 like you claimed   so let me ask you Neo how does it feel being proven wrong by the experts time and time again? and by me?

best physique = subjective NOT fact
best back = subjective NOT fact
best ASC winner = subjective NOT fact

Mr ' intellectual go learn what subjective means  

When Flex magazine says Ronnie had the best physique, best back and was the best overall ASC winner its subjective right?
But when they say Ronnie's best was 2001, Dorian had better conditioning, or any other thing you like to quote, its suddenly not subjective? It is now "expert" unquestionable and undeniable word?
I can see where you are going.

[NeoSeminole]

When Flex magazine says Ronnie had the best physique, best back and was the best overall ASC winner its subjective right?
But when they say Ronnie's best was 2001, Dorian had better conditioning was better, or any other thing you like to quote, its suddenly not subjective? It is now "expert" unquestionable and undeniable word?
I can see where you are going.

you have to keep in mind this is the same guy who has been caught contradicting himself on numerous occasions

- he claims you have to see these guys in person b/c pictures lie, yet he disagrees with all the experts who have seen both live and say Ronnie is better

- says Ronnie/Dorian at their prime could go either way. Then says 93 ASC Flex would easily beat Ronnie yet would lose to Dorian

- for yrs, he posted quotes to argue Dorian was better. Then when quotes come out saying Ronnie is better, they are merely "subjective opinion"

- he used to always post the Flex poll from 99 saying Dorian has the best back. Then when the new poll came out with Ronnie#1, he claims they're wrong

- he's been caught picking which quotes to accept or ignore from the SAME person, lol

- when a handful of quotes about Dorian agree with each other, it's "corroborating evidence" but when over 20 quotes unanimously agree Ronnie is the best, he claims it's "argument ad populum"

[beefcakeblake]

what do these have to do with you being proven wrong by Flex magazine again and again? lol

best physique of all-time: Ronnie
best back of all-time: Ronnie
best ASC winner of all-time: Ronnie

countdown to irrelevant post from ND to try and save face... 3... 2... 1...

where was dorian in these lists??

[JP_RC]

you have to keep in mind this is the same guy who has been caught contradicting himself on numerous occasions

- he claims you have to see these guys in person b/c pictures lie, yet he disagrees with all the experts who have seen both live and say Ronnie is better

- says Ronnie/Dorian at their prime could go either way. Then says 93 ASC Flex would easily beat Ronnie yet would lose to Dorian

- for yrs, he posted quotes to argue Dorian was better. Then when quotes come out saying Ronnie is better, they are merely "subjective opinion"

- he used to always post the Flex poll from 99 saying Dorian has the best back. Then when the new poll came out with Ronnie#1, he claims they're wrong

- he's been caught picking which quotes to accept or ignore from the SAME person, lol

- when a handful of quotes about Dorian agree with each other, it's "corroborating evidence" but when over 20 quotes unanimously agree Ronnie is the best, he claims it's "argument ad populum"

Yet he carries himself around here posting so proud and claiming he is correcting and "owning" everyone.
Unbelievable.

- for yrs, he posted quotes to argue Dorian was better. Then when quotes come out saying Ronnie is better, they are merely "subjective opinion"

I just realized this.

[beefcakeblake]

Yet he carries himself around here posting so proud and claiming he is correcting and "owning" everyone.
Unbelievable.

I just realized this.

you ronnie fan boys do the exact same shit, so be quiet.

and nd does own all your asses, apart from neo you all get smacked down when you start saying dumb shit about dorian and flex.

[beefcakeblake]

you have to keep in mind this is the same guy who has been caught contradicting himself on numerous occasions

- he claims you have to see these guys in person b/c pictures lie, yet he disagrees with all the experts who have seen both live and say Ronnie is better

- says Ronnie/Dorian at their prime could go either way. Then says 93 ASC Flex would easily beat Ronnie yet would lose to Dorian

- for yrs, he posted quotes to argue Dorian was better. Then when quotes come out saying Ronnie is better, they are merely "subjective opinion"

- he used to always post the Flex poll from 99 saying Dorian has the best back. Then when the new poll came out with Ronnie#1, he claims they're wrong

- he's been caught picking which quotes to accept or ignore from the SAME person, lol

- when a handful of quotes about Dorian agree with each other, it's "corroborating evidence" but when over 20 quotes unanimously agree Ronnie is the best, he claims it's "argument ad populum"

handful of body building gods who know exactly what their talking about, and know how to rate a physique.

 

[JP_RC]

you ronnie fan boys do the exact same shit, so be quiet.

and nd does own all your asses, apart from neo you all get smacked down when you start saying dumb shit about dorian and flex.

lol, you're funny.
I'm not a Ronnie fanboy, but the same cannot be said of you in Dorian's case.

By the way, I don't try to do the same thing. I've never claimed to "own" everyone or post like I'm some sort of authority, unlike a certain poster.

Do you also think someone can "own" somebody else on the internet?

I've never said one negative thing about Flex, I actually think he looked amazing. Dorian on the other hand......  
Seriously, all I said is that he didn't always have great proportions and ND jumped on me.

Nice try in defending ND though.

[geneticmarvel]

lol, you're funny.
I'm not a Ronnie fanboy, but the same cannot be said of you in Dorian's case.

By the way, I don't try to do the same thing. I've never claimed to "own" everyone or post like I'm some sort of authority, unlike a certain poster.

Do you also think someone can "own" somebody else on the internet?

I've never said one negative thing about Flex, I actually think he looked amazing. Dorian on the other hand......  
Seriously, all I said is that he didn't always have great proportions and ND jumped on me.

Nice try in defending ND though.

Flex, is that the guy with the fake calves?

[beefcakeblake]

lol, you're funny.
I'm not a Ronnie fanboy, but the same cannot be said of you in Dorian's case.

By the way, I don't try to do the same thing. I've never claimed to "own" everyone or post like I'm some sort of authority, unlike a certain poster.

Do you also think someone can "own" somebody else on the internet?

I've never said one negative thing about Flex, I actually think he looked amazing. Dorian on the other hand......  
Seriously, all I said is that he didn't always have great proportions and ND jumped on me.

Nice try in defending ND though.

i meant hulkster more then anything, and he says he owns people all the time.

who is your fav then?? jp rc

[JP_RC]

i meant hulkster more then anything, and he says he owns people all the time.

who is your fav then?? jp rc

Shawn Ray

I also like Flex, Dexter, Lee and Arnold. Those are just personal preferences, I must admit that Ronnie in 1998-2001 period (especially 1999) was too dominating for anyone and is possibly the best bodybuilder ever. I also think Dorian was clearly dominating in 1993.

[James28]

I'm imminently qualified to make a judgement on the Ronnie v Dorian debate. Because I've actually seen them compete many times. I've spent £1000's attending shows in the US and Europe.  I saw Dorian straight through the 90's and Ronnie along with him too. I saw Ronnie in '99 (his 'best' year according to some) and '04. I've stood right next to both and watched them (no homo). Dorian had something Ronnie didn't. Ronnie was a big, massively powerful bodybuilder with a physique that reminded me of a muscular elephant. When it came to Dorian, it was lights out for whoever competed against him. Sure he was big, but his muscles was welded onto his body and then grinded and molded into perfection. It was never a question in my mind, Dorian wins. Ronnie might come close, but he still don't (and didn't ) have what it takes (took).

[JP_RC]

I'm imminently qualified to make a judgement on the Ronnie v Dorian debate. Because I've actually seen them compete many times. I've spent £1000's attending shows in the US and Europe.  I saw Dorian straight through the 90's and Ronnie along with him too. I saw Ronnie in '99 (his 'best' year according to some) and '04. I've stood right next to both and watched them (no homo). Dorian had something Ronnie didn't. Ronnie was a big, massively powerful bodybuilder with a physique that reminded me of a muscular elephant. When it came to Dorian, it was lights out for whoever competed against him. Sure he was big, but his muscles was welded onto his body and then grinded and molded into perfection. It was never a question in my mind, Dorian wins. Ronnie might come close, but he still don't (and didn't ) have what it takes (took).

When you look at Dorian's physique, do you think about things as symmetry, proportions, or shape? How about separations and detail?
After taking these things into account, do you still think it was molded into perfection?

[bigbobs]

I'm imminently qualified to make a judgement on the Ronnie v Dorian debate. Because I've actually seen them compete many times. I've spent £1000's attending shows in the US and Europe.  I saw Dorian straight through the 90's and Ronnie along with him too. I saw Ronnie in '99 (his 'best' year according to some) and '04. I've stood right next to both and watched them (no homo). Dorian had something Ronnie didn't. Ronnie was a big, massively powerful bodybuilder with a physique that reminded me of a muscular elephant. When it came to Dorian, it was lights out for whoever competed against him. Sure he was big, but his muscles was welded onto his body and then grinded and molded into perfection. It was never a question in my mind, Dorian wins. Ronnie might come close, but he still don't (and didn't ) have what it takes (took).

The moment you quoted the amount you spent in BRITISH pounds at the start of your post I knew who you would side with

[James28]

The moment you quoted the amount you spent in BRITISH pounds at the start of your post I knew who you would side with

Got NOTHING to do with it. As I said before, I could not give a hoot about Yates as I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Aaron Baker fan. He is about the only bodybuilder I ever cared about and gone out of my way to have a chat with. It did not make me blind to his faults. Anyway what do you care? You glorify and blow a balding google-eyed sand monkey, a classic 3rd tier bodybuilder that just makes up the rest of the pack.

[Hulkster]

Seriously, all I said is that he didn't always have great proportions and ND jumped on me.

ND will jump on anything with a penis..

[NarcissisticDeity]

When Flex magazine says Ronnie had the best physique, best back and was the best overall ASC winner its subjective right?
But when they say Ronnie's best was 2001, Dorian had better conditioning, or any other thing you like to quote, its suddenly not subjective? It is now "expert" unquestionable and undeniable word?
I can see where you are going.

No because these things aren't subjective either a guy is in shape or he's not , either he's dry or he's not , either he's holding water or he's not

I'll post quotes from other sources saying Dorian has the best back , does that mean he doesn't? because Flex says so ? and in fact Flex stated in that article that a very strong case could be made for Dorian having the best back , and new article this time around new writer Flex a couple of years ago picked Joel Stubbs over Ronnie and Dorian for having the best back , now comes the point who is right?

Let me answer for you NO ONE is right or wrong because it's a subjective topic learn the difference

Flexonline September 15, 2009

REAR VIEW:
As great as Cutler is from behind, Yates at his best was untouchable from the rear because he had not just the thickest and widest lats but also details like a lumbar Christmas tree. Maybe only two men in history could beat Cutler at his best in both a rear lat spread and a rear double bi, but Yates was one of the two (Coleman being the other).


DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

Samir Bannout who had one of the best backs mind you on Cutler 2001

Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates

Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates

Ellington Darden, Ph.D. " best back - Dorian Yates " http://www.baye.com/interviews/ellington_darden_interview1.html


FROM MARKUS RUHL

October 2000, FLEX page 166   (notice how it is post 1999)


"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING.  HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE.  HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"


quotes work two ways many people feel Dorian's back is the best others feel Ronnie it's subjective , please learn the difference

[NeoSeminole]

ND will jump on anything with a penis..

this is his favorite pic of Dorian. I don't even want to know why

[NeoSeminole]

your quotes mean shit and I'll show why

Flexonline September 15, 2009

REAR VIEW:
As great as Cutler is from behind, Yates at his best was untouchable from the rear because he had not just the thickest and widest lats but also details like a lumbar Christmas tree. Maybe only two men in history could beat Cutler at his best in both a rear lat spread and a rear double bi, but Yates was one of the two (Coleman being the other).

exactly, none of Dorian's peers could beat him during his prime. It wasn't until nearly a decade later that Ronnie would surpass him.

Samir Bannout who had one of the best backs mind you on Cutler 2001

Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates

this quote is pre-03 when Ronnie's back was at it's widest, thickest, and freakiest.

FROM MARKUS RUHL October 2000, FLEX page 166   (notice how it is post 1999)

"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING.  HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE.  HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"

this quote was made before the 01 ASC and 03 Mr. Olympia (a strong argument can be made for each contest being his prime).

[NarcissisticDeity]

you have to keep in mind this is the same guy who has been caught contradicting himself on numerous occasions

- he claims you have to see these guys in person b/c pictures lie, yet he disagrees with all the experts who have seen both live and say Ronnie is better

- says Ronnie/Dorian at their prime could go either way. Then says 93 ASC Flex would easily beat Ronnie yet would lose to Dorian

- for yrs, he posted quotes to argue Dorian was better. Then when quotes come out saying Ronnie is better, they are merely "subjective opinion"

- he used to always post the Flex poll from 99 saying Dorian has the best back. Then when the new poll came out with Ronnie#1, he claims they're wrong

- he's been caught picking which quotes to accept or ignore from the SAME person, lol

- when a handful of quotes about Dorian agree with each other, it's "corroborating evidence" but when over 20 quotes unanimously agree Ronnie is the best, he claims it's "argument ad populum"

First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.

again your quote

I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.



pot calling the kettle black   so easy to show your hypocrisy

- he claims you have to see these guys in person b/c pictures lie, yet he disagrees with all the experts who have seen both live and say Ronnie is better

I don't disagree with experts subjective opinions , I take them for what they're worth. You in fact disagree with the experts who saw them live case in point above and I can embarrass you even more with many more quotes you flat out dismissed such as Ronnie Coleman who on multiple occasions said he couldn't beat Dorian and you dismissed him as ' stupid '

- says Ronnie/Dorian at their prime could go either way. Then says 93 ASC Flex would easily beat Ronnie yet would lose to Dorian

That was to generate interest in the thread and guess what?   in all reality if all three faced each other they do have the ability to beat each other but I think Dorian would beat them both because his physique favors the criteria

- for yrs, he posted quotes to argue Dorian was better. Then when quotes come out saying Ronnie is better, they are merely "subjective opinion"

for years I posted quotes stating Dorian had better conditioning & balance & proportion which I proved my points and you dismissed all the experts   anyone who says Dorian would beat Ronnie is subjective but the topic of balance & proportion , density & dryness aren't ! a concept you have difficulty grasping

- he used to always post the Flex poll from 99 saying Dorian has the best back. Then when the new poll came out with Ronnie#1, he claims they're wrong

I never said they're wrong , you're flat out lying and in fact in the ' new ' poll the preface the article by stating a strong case for Dorian being number 1 can be made and in fact state that many today still feel he has the best back , it's subjective a concept you can't seem to grasp

- he's been caught picking which quotes to accept or ignore from the SAME person, lol

hahahahahaha epic hypocrisy it must suck you having to post this and they have me bash you over the head with the facts like you agree with McGough when he states Ronnie 01 is unbeatable and then turn around and state that he's flat-out wrong when he states Ronnie was never harder or drier  

You're a hypocrite and not a very bright one , especially for chastising me for something you're clearly guilty of    

- when a handful of quotes about Dorian agree with each other, it's "corroborating evidence" but when over 20 quotes unanimously agree Ronnie is the best, he claims it's "argument ad populum"

still having trouble grasping the concept of things being a subjective nature huh?    you have limited comprehension abilities , popular opinion isn't proof ( everyone says Ronnie is better so there for he's better ) the only thing it's proof is it's popular and nothing else

On the subject of a non-subjective topic such as conditioning and balance & proportion , when all the experts agree Dorian stands alone it's converging evidence because either a guy is harder & drier than the next or he's not , either one guy has a short torso and long legs and high calves or he doesn't compared to another


So in the end you have ad hominem attacks , lies , hypocrisy , ignorance and popular opinion congrats you really accomplished a lot Mr ' intellectual ' lmao  

[FREAKgeek]

Yates had great trap and lat thickness, with insane dryness, arguably the best ever (next to ronnie).

He may have had the widest back too, BUT due to his thick waist, guys like  Sergio Oliva and Lee Haney look wider due to
better structural tapering, esp. from the front.