How big do you think Phil's arms are gonna get?

[Wiggs]

Luke either you've never seen a pro in person or you're a really small guy...

Go to 1:20...If you have the gift unwrapped it shows his arm being measured.  He's 270lbs off season with 22 inch arms...
Coleman's arms at their largest were indeed 24 and Zach Khan's and Robert Bernicka's are 24. There is actual video of his and he competes in the 250s with 23s.
You have no clue WTF you're talking about.

Look it up.

[slate]

luke, are u the Australian luke with the kidney problem or not?

[Danimal77]

Just for the record, here are some verified measurements:

-Lee Priest: 5'5'' and 235 lbs (slightly off-season) had his arms measured and verified at 21.5''
-Vince Taylor: 5'8'' and approximately 240 lbs stretched the tape to 19.75''
-Magnus Samuelson, 6'6'' tall and 340 lbs (world's strongest man competitor) and able to cheat curl 405 lbs... measured his arms at 22''
-Arnold Schwazhisname had his off-season arms measured by Arthur Jones: 19.625''

-Ronnie Coleman... at 315 lbs at his post 2003 bloated maximum shot a backstage video where his arms were measured at 21.7'' at a guest posing


A 24'' arm? Are you guys high?

That's 48% bigger than an all-time best Arnold (cross sectional areas are expressed as a ratio of squares).


Even Gregg Valentino had his grotesquely misshapen appendages taped at only 24.5'' at  a live event held by Guinness World Records.


Let's keep some perspective here... a 6' tall 600 lb mountain gorilla; (all that bulk being upper body) wouldn't have a 24'' muscular arm.

Put down the FLEX-pipe!


The Luke

Just for the record, Lee Priest is 5'3" mofo.

[Danimal77]

Both of you guys are morons...

Bullshit!

Ronnie did a guest posing in Japan... backstage someone asked if they could measure his arms IN CENTIMETERS. Ronnie had no problem with that, presumably thinking no one would ever do the conversion... guess what?

21.7 inches.

That video shows the tape measure... and the tape reading on his arm... that's a lot different from some MC throwing a tape around a flexed arm and proclaiming a 24'' measurement to the audience.

Bodybuilders' reported arm measurements are as believeable as professional wrestlers' heights and weights.  


When I guesstimate that 150 lbs of your 240 lb bodyweight is pure muscle... that DOESN'T mean I'm asserting you are carrying 90 lbs of fat.

Your body isn't just muscle and fat: you also have organs, a skeleton, a stomach, skin etc etc. My math is right.

But if you can't comprehend simple math without reactionary insecurity, I'm not sure I can help you.



I guess I shouldn't be surprised that two gullible fools believe in 24'' arms.

To everyone else reading... Google "Manfred Hoeberl" and notice how massively disproportionate a synthol-filled 25'' arm looks on even a 6'7'' 320 lb frame.


The Luke

Now Manfred Hoeberl was 6'7". Fuck, for someone who gives others shit for exaggerating arm measurements, you seem to add 2" to people's height. Manfred was 6'4"-6'5" bitch.

[The Luke]

You guys are fools...


Phil Heath at 270 has 22'' arms... okay.

So to have 24'' arms he'd need to be 324 lbs with the same conditioning (20% bigger, as a 24'' arm is a fifth bigger than a 22'' arm:  24²/22² = 1.2)

Add to this the fact that Heath is pretty narrow and heavy-limbed... that woud imply a guy like Ronnie with his larger frame would need to be 350-370 lbs to have the 24'' arms you attribute to him.


Burneika's arms are 24''...? According to who?

There's never been a proper measuring of his arms... just lots of these videos where he crooks his arm and a tape goes over his bicep peak and diagonally round his triceps.

Besides, there's something foreign in his biceps... they're partially peaked even when his elbows are straight.


I've met many mass-monster pros in person: Dennis Wolfe; Ian Harrison; Marcus Ruhl... they are truly huge men up close, but you guys are attributing ludicrous comic book proportions to them.


Gregg Valentino has 24'' arms at 5'6''... you think if he stood on his tip-toes and did a front double biceps beside Ronnie their arms would be comparable?

Stop reading FLEX magazine kids... it's rotting your minds.


The Luke

[Wiggs]

You guys are fools...


Phil Heath at 270 has 22'' arms... okay.

So to have 24'' arms he'd need to be 324 lbs with the same conditioning (20% bigger, as a 24'' arm is a fifth bigger than a 22'' arm:  24²/22² = 1.2)

Add to this the fact that Heath is pretty narrow and heavy-limbed... that woud imply a guy like Ronnie with his larger frame would need to be 350-370 lbs to have the 24'' arms you attribute to him.


Burneika's arms are 24''...? According to who?

There's never been a proper measuring of his arms... just lots of these videos where he crooks his arm and a tape goes over his bicep peak and diagonally round his triceps.

Besides, there's something foreign in his biceps... they're partially peaked even when his elbows are straight.


I've met many mass-monster pros in person: Dennis Wolfe; Ian Harrison; Marcus Ruhl... they are truly huge men up close, but you guys are attributing ludicrous comic book proportions to them.


Gregg Valentino has 24'' arms at 5'6''... you think if he stood on his tip-toes and did a front double biceps beside Ronnie their arms would be comparable?

Stop reading FLEX magazine kids... it's rotting your minds.


The Luke

Did you watch the videos? ....Oh let me guess a trick tape like Hulk Hogan

[Matt C]

The Luke = Luke Wood? 

[gcb]

Pros lie about their measurements all the time (in fact they lie about lots of things) - it wouldn't surprise me if they faked the measurement in the video.

[TRIX]

ronnies arms were pretty ripped in korea 21.7 to 22 inches. Obviously his arms would be 23 to 24 inches if he went offseason mode.

[TRIX]

Korea video was 1 month after the 2004 olympia.

[The Luke]

ronnies arms were pretty ripped in korea 21.7 to 22 inches. Obviously his arms would be 23 to 24 inches if he went offseason mode.

In both of the videos where his arms measured 55-56 cm he was over 320 lbs.

If your guesstimate was right then the average trainer could expect to see their own arm measurement fluctuate by as much as 1.5'' every time they changed a few bodyfat percentage points.


This is just like the "Myth of the Pump": everyone believes a good bicep/tricep pump adds an inch or more to their upper arms... actually no: at most it's 0.25'' to 0.5''.

Why you guys are so fixated on this 24'' number is just beyond me...
Sean Ray...       210 lbs... 18.5'' arms  
Lee Haney...     240 lbs... 19'' arms
Vince Taylor...  230 lbs... 19.75'' arms
Lee Priest...     235 lbs... 21.5'' arms (short-armed freak)
Ahnuld...          240 lbs... 20'' arms
Dorian Yates... 260 lbs... 19.5'' arms (at best)
Ronnie...          280 lbs... 21-22'' arms

A 23'' arm happens somewhere around 300-320 lbs... a 24'' arm happens somewhere around 350 lbs: face facts.


The Luke

[TrueGrit]

The Luke = Luke Wood? 

Squadfather said he plays Dungeons and Dragons!

[Captain Equipoise]

So basic maths is wrong because "...his arms looked way bigger than 21s"?


Get real dude... there's another video of Ronnie's arms being measured backstage in Japan (can't locate it online) and they measure 55-56 cm too. Maybe someone else will post it.

So, we have two videos showing a 320 lb Ronnie taping out at 21.7''...not one single shred of evidence that his arms ever measured even 23''... but he had 24'' arms at 250-280 lbs onstage because you think so?


You must be delusional, Parker.


The Luke

Are you fucking retarded ?!!? you think Ronnie's arms maxed out at 21.7" ?!?!  Parker POSTED a clear video of him getting measured at 24" , lay down the crack pipe..

oh and you might wanna give the math a rest , clearly it's not your strong suit..somehow in your magical world 24" is 50% bigger then 19.75" LOLOLOL

[The Luke]

Are you fucking retarded ?!!? you think Ronnie's arms maxed out at 21.7" ?!?!  Parker POSTED a clear video of him getting measured at 24" , lay down the crack pipe..

...such a clear video.

From thirty feet back in the audience you can clearly see a woman put a tape measure on Ronnie's arm and DECLARE it to be 24 inches.Was she an impartial judge or someone associated with the show or the show's promoter... maybe?

Would you believe ME if I similarly claimed MY arms were 24'' too? 'Cause they are!

oh and you might wanna give the math a rest , clearly it's not your strong suit..somehow in your magical world 24" is 50% bigger then 19.75" LOLOLOL

Okay, Captain...

Let me explain some basic math to you... an upper arm is a cross sectional area; we use circumference measurements for ease of measurement, but only because this measurement is dependent on cross-section... the thicker your upper arm gets (increase in cross sectional area) the bigger this circumference gets... weight training doesn't lengthen the upper arm, it only thickens it.

The ratio of two cross sectional areas, (be they ovals; elipses or circles) is dependent on the square of the radius.

The cross sectional area of a circle (for the sake of argument) approximates an upper arm: Area = 2 x pi x r² and Circumference = 2 pi r ...where r denotes the upper arm radius.


So the ratio of two arm sizes would be:

Area1/Area2 = (2 pi r₁²)/(2 pi r₂²) ...but of course the constants cancel... =  r₁²/r₂² = (Circumference1/2pi)²/(Circumference2/2pi)² = Circumference1²/Circumference2²

...which of course is simply the ratio of the SQUARES of the circumferences.


So, for example: using an 18'' arm and a 16'' arm... 18²/16² = 324/256 = 1.265

Therefore, an 18'' arm is actually 27% bigger than a 16'' arm... NOT the 13% a simple ratio of measurements might give.



I'm not sure where you got lost reading this thread, Captain.

It's not as if I clearly explained my reasoning:

A 24'' arm? Are you guys high?

That's 48% bigger than an all-time best Arnold (cross sectional areas are expressed as a ratio of squares).

...and it's not as if I clearly explained the math to someone else including a worked example:

Well, a 24'' arm is about 50% bigger than a 19.75'' arm...

(24 x 24)/(19.75 x 19.75) = (24)²/(19.75)² = (576)/(390) = 1.48 = 48% Bigger

...because we're talking about cross-sectional AREAS, and the ratio of two areas is the ratio of the squares of any radius-dependent measurement (circumference or diameter).

...and it's not as if I provided a second worked example to demonstrate the concept further:

Phil Heath at 270 has 22'' arms... okay.

So to have 24'' arms he'd need to be 324 lbs with the same conditioning (20% bigger, as a 24'' arm is a fifth bigger than a 22'' arm:  24²/22² = 1.2)

...I'm glad you're the Captain of Equipoise, 'cos you sure ain't the Captain of Reading Comprehension.


The Luke

[Figo]

The magazine propaganda is responsible for this, reminds me of when Hulk Hogan used to claim 24in arms.

Mattarazzo had 24's, Dillett had 23in arms, now Ronnie 24's in contest shape and Heath pushing 23/24in..., cmon guys. How on earth can Heath have 23/24 inch arms? ever? on his frame? those arms are fucking huge, but not more than 21 offseason.

only way gonna believe the flex onstage measurement is if Im onstage measuring myself with my own tape measure(no homo) Ronnie had max 22's. doubtful in shape, though.

Arnold used to claim 22, Vince Taylor said he had 18in arms before he started training. Even the claim that Gunnar Rosbo had 19/20 inch FOREARMS.


Only flaw with the Lukes theories and mathematical profeciency, is the use of SEO's. Priest uses it, so did Flex, Ronnie, Jay, Branch, Dex, Heath, etc, etc

[Emmortal]

This thread is worse than a thread on bb.com, come on guys, this is getbig, I can't believe some of you guys fall for the bullshit.  No fucking way is Heath's arms anywhere 23" legit.  The guys arms are big, but they aren't even close to that.

[The Luke]

The magazine propaganda is responsible for this, reminds me of when Hulk Hogan used to claim 24in arms.

Mattarazzo had 24's, Dillett had 23in arms, now Ronnie 24's in contest shape and Heath pushing 23/24in..., cmon guys. How on earth can Heath have 23/24 inch arms? ever? on his frame? those arms are fucking huge, but not more than 21 offseason.

only way gonna believe the flex onstage measurement is if Im onstage measuring myself with my own tape measure(no homo) Ronnie had max 22's. doubtful in shape, though.

Arnold used to claim 22, Vince Taylor said he had 18in arms before he started training. Even the claim that Gunnar Rosbo had 19/20 inch FOREARMS.


Only flaw with the Lukes theories and mathematical profeciency, is the use of SEO's. Priest uses it, so did Flex, Ronnie, Jay, Branch, Dex, Heath, etc, etc

...don't forget newly minted pro and 1993 Arnold Classic winner Flex Wheeler who claimed to have 23.5'' arms (cold) on contest day despite weighing only 225 lbs. Read the '93 FLEX magazine Arnold coverage if you don't believe me.


Figo, what's an SEO...? Never heard that TLA (Three Letter Acronym)... site-injection...?


The Luke

[Palpatine Q]

...don't forget newly minted pro and 1993 Arnold Classic winner Flex Wheeler who claimed to have 23.5'' arms (cold) on contest day despite weighing only 225 lbs. Read the '93 FLEX magazine Arnold coverage if you don't believe me.


Figo, what's an SEO...? Never heard that TLA (Three Letter Acronym)... site-injection...?


The Luke

Close....site enhancement oil

[mesmorph78]

Every year luke makes the same post
I disagree luke my arms COLD measures I've 19 and a half inches coleman's arms definetley are over two inches bigger 

[mesmorph78]

Besides Parker has posted the video

[The Luke]

Every year luke makes the same post
I disagree luke my arms COLD measures I've 19 and a half inches coleman's arms definetley are over two inches bigger 

Maybe... but they certainly aren't 4.5'' bigger as was claimed in this thread. That would make them bigger than Gregg Valentino's.


Remember guys, it's a ratio of squares... not a plain ratio... a 24'' arm would be 51% bigger than a 19.5'' arm (24^2/19.5² = 1.514).


If mesomorph was 5'10'' like Ronnie (just for the sake of argument) then we could get some very precise approximations just by a simple comparison:

Mesomorph's 19.5'' arm would equal (1/4pi) x 19.5² square inches of cross section = (0.07958)(19.5)² = 30.26 square inches
...but just for maximum accuracy, let's deduct one square inch for the humerus: 29.26 square inches of cross sectional muscle

Ronnie's (a-hem!) 24'' arm would equal (1/4pi) x 24² square inches of cross section = (0.07958)(24)² = 45.84 square inches
...but again for maximum accuracy, let's deduct one square inch for the humerus: 44.84 square inches of cross sectional muscle


Mesomorph, seriously, do you really think Ronnie's arms are (45.84/30.26=1.514) a full 51% bigger than yours...?

Seriously, do you really believe Ronnie's arms carry (44.84/29.26=1.532) a full 53% more muscle than yours...?


Is Ronnie 50% heavier than you?



Anyone having a 24'' arm while under 350 lbs lean bodyweight; (maybe even 400 lbs) is just as ridiculous as as a 22'' arm on someone under 200 lbs.


The Luke
PS... I highly doubt even your claim of 19.5'' arms; either you're pinching the tape or measuring diagonally.

[mesmorph78]

I measure my arms from time to time for my benefit why would I pinch the tape to lie to myself that would be kind of dumb I posted a vid of me measuring my arms about two yrs back at 18.6 clear up close since then I have put an inch on since then at 5-10 to 5-11 ronnies or phil arms are significantly bigger than mine you are wrong trust me

[Parker]

...don't forget newly minted pro and 1993 Arnold Classic winner Flex Wheeler who claimed to have 23.5'' arms (cold) on contest day despite weighing only 225 lbs. Read the '93 FLEX magazine Arnold coverage if you don't believe me.


Figo, what's an SEO...? Never heard that TLA (Three Letter Acronym)... site-injection...?


The Luke

Luke, when Flex said his arms were 23.5 back in 1993, one would be a fool to believe him. Why, well because his weight and height would not have matched up. He was 216 @5'10. His arms would have been 18-19 at best, 20-21 would have been stretching it.

Also, one has to take bodymass and training. For instance, Fatpanda has a pic on here where he looks to be well over 260, but he is fat, and his arms are relatively, twigs. On paper, for his height and size, you could have said his arms were in the 20s, but they are not. And I know you have women who have those flabby arms, that if measured, would be 23s. But that is fat. Your math is flawed because you don't take in account different variables. Like bodymass composition, lack of training a certain part, weight distribution, muscle and fat distribution. You cannot take a sheet of paper do some math, and say this is absolute when it comes to the human body when it comes to sizes. As a matter of fact, you've seen those pics of the mice who were devoid of myostatin blockers. I believe their biceps were 275% bigger than normal and their triceps were 300+% bigger than normal. I would have to find that article, but I know he 275% is right, this was straight from Johns Hopkins. So who are we to believe, your math which doesn't account for real world variables, or Johns Hopkins scientists?

[TRIX]

gregg valentino had 28's and he is anywhere from 5'3 - 5'5

[mesmorph78]

Good post Parker luke thinks he can use a formula and everyone fits that formula some people carry a lot of weight and muscle on their arm due to genetics same as two women can weigh 160 same bf and one has a significantly larger ass than the other. I believe Coleman had 24's etc sorry luke some people just have exceptional genetics