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Social Security to See Payout Exceed Pay-In This Year
« on: March 25, 2010, 10:39:20 AM »
This year, the system will pay out more in benefits than it receives in payroll taxes, an important threshold it was not expected to cross until at least 2016, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Stephen C. Goss, chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, said that while the Congressional projection would probably be borne out, the change would have no effect on benefits in 2010 and retirees would keep receiving their checks as usual.

The problem, he said, is that payments have risen more than expected during the downturn, because jobs disappeared and people applied for benefits sooner than they had planned. At the same time, the program’s revenue has fallen sharply, because there are fewer paychecks to tax.

Analysts have long tried to predict the year when Social Security would pay out more than it took in because they view it as a tipping point — the first step of a long, slow march to insolvency, unless Congress strengthens the program’s finances.

“When the level of the trust fund gets to zero, you have to cut benefits,” Alan Greenspan, architect of the plan to rescue the Social Security program the last time it got into trouble, in the early 1980s, said on Wednesday.

That episode was more dire because the fund could have fallen to zero in a matter of months. But partly because of steps taken in those years, and partly because of many years of robust economic growth, the latest projections show the program will not exhaust its funds until about 2037.

Still, Mr. Greenspan, who later became chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, said: “I think very much the same issue exists today. Because of the size of the contraction in economic activity, unless we get an immediate and sharp recovery, the revenues of the trust fund will be tracking lower for a number of years.”

The Social Security Administration is expected to issue in a few weeks its own numbers for the current year within the annual report from its board of trustees. The administration has six board members: three from the president’s cabinet, two representatives of the public and the Social Security commissioner.

Though Social Security uses slightly different methods, the official numbers are expected to roughly track the Congressional projections, which were one page of a voluminous analysis of the federal budget proposed by President Obama in January.

Mr. Goss said Social Security’s annual report last year projected revenue would more than cover payouts until at least 2016 because economists expected a quicker, stronger recovery from the crisis. Officials foresaw an average unemployment rate of 8.2 percent in 2009 and 8.8 percent this year, though unemployment is hovering at nearly 10 percent.

The trustees did foresee, in late 2008, that the recession would be severe enough to deplete Social Security’s funds more quickly than previously projected. They moved the year of reckoning forward, to 2037 from 2041. Mr. Goss declined to reveal the contents of the forthcoming annual report, but said people should not expect the date to lurch forward again.

The long-term costs of Social Security present further problems for politicians, who are already struggling over how to reduce the nation’s debt. The national predicament echoes that of many European governments, which are facing market pressure to re-examine their commitments to generous pensions over extended retirements.

The United States’ soaring debt — propelled by tax cuts, wars and large expenditures to help banks and the housing market — has become a hot issue as Democrats gauge their vulnerability in the coming elections. President Obama has appointed a bipartisan commission to examine the debt problem, including Social Security, and make recommendations on how to trim the nation’s debt by Dec. 1, a few weeks after the midterm Congressional elections.

Although Social Security is often said to have a “trust fund,” the term really serves as an accounting device, to track the pay-as-you-go program’s revenue and outlays over time. Its so-called balance is, in fact, a history of its vast cash flows: the sum of all of its revenue in the past, minus all of its outlays. The balance is currently about $2.5 trillion because after the early 1980s the program had surplus revenue, year after year.

Now that accumulated revenue will slowly start to shrink, as outlays start to exceed revenue. By law, Social Security cannot pay out more than its balance in any given year.

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Re: Social Security to See Payout Exceed Pay-In This Year
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2010, 10:48:53 AM »
SS has always been a ponzi scheme and is collapsing like everything else. 

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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2010, 10:52:18 AM »
This is why I put all the money from my drug deals in more stable environments.  Like MLM scenarios.  They pay off.  Eventually.


I hope.

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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2010, 11:00:53 AM »
this system is not sustainable at all

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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2010, 11:02:27 AM »
this system is not sustainable at all

Its simple math 240. 

When this thing was started there were 16 workers per retiree.  Now it is 4 to one. 

Also, people are collecting far longer than was projected originally. 

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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2010, 11:12:41 AM »
maybe obamacare will kill them off much sooner.  Problem solved! :)

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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2010, 11:19:56 AM »
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this system is not sustainable at all

Medicare has now cost 9 times more than what the CBO projected it would. But continue to believe what the CBO say's about ObamaCare, and continue to belive Obama, and what he said about not raising your taxes.

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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2010, 11:26:56 AM »
Medicare has now cost 9 times more than what the CBO projected it would. But continue to believe what the CBO say's about ObamaCare, and continue to belive Obama, and what he said about not raising your taxes.

Once they do amnesty for illegals and they get on the system, the whole system collapses. 

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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2010, 11:38:20 AM »
what is the solution to the social security mess?  I have no clue.

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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2010, 11:40:19 AM »
what is the solution to the social security mess?  I have no clue.

Increase age to collect and let younger people opt out and set up individual system where the money goes into that persons personal account. 

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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2010, 11:45:38 AM »
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what is the solution to the social security mess?  I have no clue.

I dont know, but what I do know is we should learn from History, and not keep repeating the same mistakes, and History tells us that the CBO has been wrong, and been wrong big. And anyone who thinks ObamaCare is going to come in under a trillion, has their head in the sand.

Obamacare is going to Bankrupt us.

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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2010, 11:48:25 AM »
Increase age to collect and let younger people opt out and set up individual system where the money goes into that persons personal account. 

Sorry,Bush tried that,libs accused him of killing the elderly.Why not just confiscate every dime from those making over 50,000 a year and giving to every piece of non productive crap in the country.

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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2010, 12:14:37 PM »
what is the solution to the social security mess?  I have no clue.

Death panels.

Logan's Run style enforcement.

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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2010, 12:16:19 PM »
Death panels.

Logan's Run style enforcement.

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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2010, 12:19:36 PM »
The way to stop it is create more jobs.  Become a manufacturing country again and keep our workforce strong.  Having illegals pay into it would probably save it in the short term btw.   ;D
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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2010, 12:21:32 PM »
The way to stop it is create more jobs.  Become a manufacturing country again and keep our workforce strong.  Having illegals pay into it would probably save it in the short term btw.   ;D

We need to import more koreans and japanese.  They generally have a cultural pride against taking handouts and are hard working people. 

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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2010, 12:26:49 PM »
We need to import more koreans and japanese.  They generally have a cultural pride against taking handouts and are hard working people. 

I've seen plenty of hard working latinos.  guys who work sun up to sun down every day of the year. 
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2010, 12:28:57 PM »
I've seen plenty of hard working latinos.  guys who work sun up to sun down every day of the year. 

And pump out ten kids while paying next to nothing in taxes. 

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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2010, 12:50:11 PM »
And pump out ten kids while paying next to nothing in taxes. 

close to 50% of known undocumented workers pay the IRS 333.  it's kind of hard to have a working house hold when you're 'illegal' probably best to not go job hunting on craigslist.  make 'em residents, tax them and make them pay for their services.  problem solved.  unless it's less about illegals and more about race?
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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2010, 01:00:04 PM »
close to 50% of known undocumented workers pay the IRS 333.  it's kind of hard to have a working house hold when you're 'illegal' probably best to not go job hunting on craigslist.  make 'em residents, tax them and make them pay for their services.  problem solved.  unless it's less about illegals and more about race?

So reward law beakers for breaking the most basic law of the land,the protection of our borders.Tell me,after we make them legal,do we allow their entire families here as well,which relatives,how many?Who pays for the extra people coming in?You libs love to spend money where there is no money.

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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2010, 01:06:45 PM »
So reward law beakers for breaking the most basic law of the land,the protection of our borders.Tell me,after we make them legal,do we allow their entire families here as well,which relatives,how many?Who pays for the extra people coming in?You libs love to spend money where there is no money.

I've already stated what i think should happen Billy.  Here is what i think should happen -

All undocumented workers are given 6 months to register with the government and give notice of their intention to apply for residency.  Once that 6 months is up anyone found to not be in that process or denied from that process is sent home.  Any company employing illegals will face heavy fines and will be forced to pay all costs associated with removing them from the country.

The process involves a criminal record check.  You will be on a probation for 5 years, during those 5 years you must pay all taxes, insurance for health care and any other needs.  You will not be eligible for social assistance unless you are in severe poverty.  If you are convicted of a felony or 2 or more misdemeanors during that period you will be deported.  Once those 5 years are up you must prove you worked for at least 3 of them and that you have embraced America by volunteering, learning the language, customs etc.  If you have proven all that you will be able to become an American citizen. 

Anyone who does not follow through or meet the criteria is deported and that is paid for by the taxes of temporary residents. 

That is what i would like to see Billy. 
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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2010, 09:23:47 PM »
oh but things are getting better bambam says,  lol  what a fucking moron, and the fucks that believe him are even bigger morons

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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2010, 09:32:46 PM »
'set up individual system where the money goes into that persons personal account.  '

That doesn't work.

Any company in Nasdaq or DOW drops significantly and you have tens of thousands of people homeless, instantly.  Anytime a stock drops, people can't buy their meds.

Every time the young kids on wall street crash one company to make a buck, you have little old ladies going broke.

Repubs have always said "just let everyone manage their own money" but in reality, unless you are really okay with old people dying in the street of hunger because suddenly the new Coke doesn't sell as well as Pepsi...

(another example of fair but inhumane and therefore will never happen.)

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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2010, 09:36:33 PM »
Charles Murray has an intersting solution to the whole general entitlement mess. I believe he calculated that if you take all the entitlement programs like medicare, medicaid, and social security, it comes out to about $10000 per adult. So just give everyone $10000 and get rid of all these entitlement programs like medicare and medicaid. Basically what you are doing is cutting the knot off the rope before it gets bigger instead of trying to untie the knot.
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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2010, 09:47:24 PM »
problem is - - - broke, desperate people do some seriously fcked up shiit.

How many vietnam vets lost their live savings over that AIG mess? 

Now, will they just quietly starve... or will they go out and "find" food, money, medicine?


I always hear kids say shit about 'every man for himself, fool!  Lose your retirement, it's your problem!"  The reality is that if you don't make the $ automatic, timed, and out of people's control, you'll have a MUCH bigger problem when there are 10 million penniless widows in their 60s and 70s begging for money. 

Proponents talk about 'reducing' risk.  But that'll still leave a LOT of ppl on the street - particularly with the unstable shape of our economy. 



I like the idea - it's FAIR, way way fair.  But I worry that if we have another recession, you have an entire generation losing their income... then shit gets really really messy.