Do NOX products really work?

[Deicide]

You'll notice on the site they have a few highlights on the main ingredients and composition of the product, and Wazy maize is not listed there...   You raise some interesting points, and now made me curious, so I'm gonna contact them to see the real purpose of it being included.  If i hear back and I will post here for conversation purposes!

You have Elite Being Ripped Genetics...

[Van_Bilderass]

That's not it..i checked. i'm not sure what brand it is TBH, but it's got citruline malate in it too.

Regardless.... you are making me laugh by telling me what it does and what i'm feeling..It does EXACTLY what they say it does for me, the pumps are insane and it gives me a ton of energy....if it doesn't work for you i don't know what to tell you.

It may "work" for you but not because your nitric oxide levels are all jacked up. Take a few grams of citrulline and arginine by itself before a workout and see what it does without all the carbs and stimulants.

[Van_Bilderass]

You'll notice on the site they have a few highlights on the main ingredients and composition of the product, and Wazy maize is not listed there...   You raise some interesting points, and now made me curious, so I'm gonna contact them to see the real purpose of it being included.  If i hear back and I will post here for conversation purposes!

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Compare to a product I would take if I were to use something of this class. Vasocharge. Although proprietary blend you can still work out approximately how much is in there since the ingredient dosed highest is listed first per the law.

[Deicide]

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Compare to a product I would take if I were to use something of this class. Vasocharge. Although proprietary blend you can still work out approximately how much is in there since the ingredient dosed highest is listed first per the law.

So arginine is worthless?

[BIG ACH]

What gear are you taking along with this nitric oxide stuff ?

Captain you know I've never used gear in my life 

[Palpatine Q]

It may "work" for you but not because your nitric oxide levels are all jacked up. Take a few grams of citrulline and arginine by itself before a workout and see what it does without all the carbs and stimulants.

I really don't give a rat's ass which ingredient does what...it's not that serious.

For a lousy 2.00 every few days it performs exactly as advertised for me...if you want to play Dr. Science knock yourself out.

[Van_Bilderass]

I really don't give a rat's ass which ingredient does what...it's not that serious.

For a lousy 2.00 every few days it performs exactly as advertised for me...if you want to play Dr. Science knock yourself out.

It's not serious at all, you're right. But it's a discussion board sometimes I can't resist chiming in. It's mildly interesting to me how these different new supplement classes are created.

[Van_Bilderass]

So arginine is worthless?

Depends what you're using it for. Or maybe not even then. I can't recall, maybe there was some data on it helping wound healing after burns or something. What I'm saying is that there's a reason it's stacked with a bunch of stimulants in these formulas. Or carbs. They're the ones you feel when you take an "NO2" product.

There was some drug I looked at, something that was aimed at diabetics for increasing blood flow. I think it contained methylfolate (folic acid) and something else. So there might be some nutrients that increase blood flow but I doubt there's anything more powerful than insulin. So eat your sugars and/or take your Humalog for pumps.

[BIG ACH]

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Compare to a product I would take if I were to use something of this class. Vasocharge. Although proprietary blend you can still work out approximately how much is in there since the ingredient dosed highest is listed first per the law.

First of all I think Phenom Labs labeling is better because you don't have the propriety blend shit, its all listed as is telling you EXACTLY whats in the product and how much of it.

Second, I see Phenom labs having a wider variety of ingredients with some things being of less quantity, and Vasocharge having more of the quantity by not so wide of a variety... so I mean you're splitting hairs here.   I don't think ingredients are listed there JUST to be listed there and make the label look better, if you really have want to go deep into it, you've got things like electrolyte balance, regardless of how important you think it is or it isn't, the ingredients are there to serve a purpose.

I'm going to be honest, I may have a very biased view because I'm sponsored by the company... but what good is being sponsored by a company and getting / using their product if it doesn't work, would serve me no purpose to be sponsored.  Do you understand what I'm saying?

[Van_Bilderass]

I'm going to be honest, I may have a very biased view because I'm sponsored by the company... but what good is being sponsored by a company and getting / using their product if it doesn't work, would serve me no purpose to be sponsored.  Do you understand what I'm saying?

Well, kind of. Most bodybuilders will take a "sponsorship" even if it means zero bucks and only their name/pic on a website or a mag. But I don't know what kind of deal you have and I doubt you'd tell, which I understand.

I don't like prop blends either. But I have used Scivation's Xtend and it has a good rep for quality so I chose this for comparison. Plus the few proven ingredients are in dosages that have been shown to work in some studies (of course you can discuss whether it's worth to supplements for perhaps a relatively tiny effect). Most of the effect from that supp would be from the Brain Drive part and perhaps a small effect from the citrulline and beta alanine if used long term. I wouldn't pay for this product either. 

[MadeYaMelt]

I was talking about physically...you penis-puller   

I pull no penis but my own...  And then only when my bitch of an ex doesn't feel like fucking for "old time's sake."   

As far as this NOX shit goes, I notice a bit of difference over straight caffeine but I'm not sure it justifies the cost.  I'd say the cheapest yet still one of the best is Jacked by USP Labs.  I think it's $20 or $25 for around 25-35 servings.   

[BIG ACH]

Well, kind of. Most bodybuilders will take a "sponsorship" even if it means zero bucks and only their name/pic on a website or a mag. But I don't know what kind of deal you have and I doubt you'd tell, which I understand.

I don't like prop blends either. But I have used Scivation's Xtend and it has a good rep for quality so I chose this for comparison. Plus the few proven ingredients are in dosages that have been shown to work in some studies (of course you can discuss whether it's worth to supplements for perhaps a relatively tiny effect). Most of the effect from that supp would be from the Brain Drive part and perhaps a small effect from the citrulline and beta alanine if used long term. I wouldn't pay for this product either.  

In regards to your first part, i'm not sure what part of my agreement with them I'm allowed or not allowed to talk about publicly, so I'll leave that info out so I don't get in trouble :-D , but I will say that it revolves mainly around product, with that being said, I use the product everyday I work out, and if it didn't work I wouldn't use it, whats the point of using a product that doesn't work.  and I REALLY do use it.  I didn't do it for magazines or websites or whatever, I've been featured in magazines, on websites, and even have my own website.  So I REALLY do use it! lol

In regards to Scivation, I've never used VasoCharge (or Maybe have ONCE), but I used Xtend for an extended period time (no pun intended), and it is a good product, but honestly its expensive and I think there are other products that have a better formulation (one of those products being Chains from Phenom Labs).

For NO I've used Gaspari Superpump a few times and that upset my stomach everytime I used it, everytime! and I consider myself to have a strong stomach.  NO-Xplode was alright, but I felt that I had to increase my dosage after sometime or the sensation wasn't  there (maybe its mental I really can't say), I used Nitrix also from BSN and didn't feel anything....  And I felt NOTHING with Muscletech NaNo Vapor, so as Groink said for his product, Herculean Xtreme did for me EXACTLY what its advertised to do, and that makes me happy.


I'm in no way trying to knock other companies, thats not the point of this message.... I'm just telling you what MY experience is.  and What I believe of the company whose products I use!

[ShipSekki]

 Every bodybuiding supplement ive ever tried has been pure shit.

 Vitamins and proteins are the only supps I would spend my money on.

 If you are going to take a lot of fucked up supplements you're better off just doing real gear.

[BIG ACH]

Every bodybuiding supplement ive ever tried has been pure shit.

 Vitamins and proteins are the only supps I would spend my money on.

 If you are going to take a lot of fucked up supplements you're better off just doing real gear.

What the hell are you talking about man?   better off just doing real gear?


There are good supplements and there are bad ones, there are good supplement companies and there are bad supplement companies!

Oh and Juice is a whole other ballpark man!

[ShipSekki]

What the hell are you talking about man?   better off just doing real gear?


There are good supplements and there are bad ones, there are good supplement companies and there are bad supplement companies!

Oh and Juice is a whole other ballpark man!

 10 years ago I tried almost everything from GNC.

 The only things I found useful was protein, vitamins, stimulants for energy and fat loss like Hydroxycut, and creatine can be useful but I think creatine is overrated myself.

 Besides these basics, most of it was crap. It's better to spend that money on some extra meat, potatoes and veggies, food is where it's at. Lots of people do supps when their diet could use a lot of improvement.

[BIG ACH]

10 years ago I tried almost everything from GNC.

 The only things I found useful was protein, vitamins, stimulants for energy and fat loss like Hydroxycut, and creatine can be useful but I think creatine is overrated myself.

 Besides these basics, most of it was crap. It's better to spend that money on some extra meat, potatoes and veggies, food is where it's at. Lots of people do supps when their diet could use a lot of improvement.

1.  Creatine is the most proven supplement in the market, I cannot begin to tell you the amount of research that has gone into that product.

2.  Yes I agree that there are MANY people out there that need to focus on their diet more than the supplements they take, but that doesn't mean supplements are worthless.

3.  Serves you right for going to GNC - LOL just kidding.

I believe 100% that good food is FAR more important than any supplement out there.....  but thats exactly whats they are.... SUPPLEMENTS.... they are meant to supplement your Good diet!


As I said before, there are good supplements and there are bad supplements!  I've had some shitty supplements of my own (Think Myozap by Pinnaccle back in the day), but to say that they are all shit, well this I have to disagree with you on!

[MadeYaMelt]

1.  Creatine is the most proven supplement in the market, I cannot begin to tell you the amount of research that has gone into that product.

2.  Yes I agree that there are MANY people out there that need to focus on their diet more than the supplements they take, but that doesn't mean supplements are worthless.

3.  Serves you right for going to GNC - LOL just kidding.

I believe 100% that good food is FAR more important than any supplement out there.....  but thats exactly whats they are.... SUPPLEMENTS.... they are meant to supplement your Good diet!


As I said before, there are good supplements and there are bad supplements!  I've had some shitty supplements of my own (Think Myozap by Pinnaccle back in the day), but to say that they are all shit, well this I have to disagree with you on!

Hahahaha the myostatin gene blocker!  Totally forgot about that trash.  Some creatine and protein from a reputable company are really the only things you can trust. 

[alnassak]

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[Hugo Chavez]

This Thread.... hahahaha...