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US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« on: March 26, 2010, 06:20:10 AM »
US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory

By Daniel Dombey in Washington

Published: March 25 2010

A landmark US-Russia nuclear deal is due to be formally unveiled as early as Friday in the clearest sign yet that Barack Obama is on the cusp of what would be his most important foreign policy success to date.

The deal to cut the two countries’ strategic nuclear arsenals by 25 per cent which Mr Obama and Dmitry Medvedev, Russian president, are due to sign in April gives the US president more momentum on the world stage after a first year lacking in concrete accomplishments.

But officials and experts add Mr Obama’s administration has found it harder than expected to reach agreement with Moscow and that other parts of his ambitious nuclear agenda will be still more difficult to achieve.

“This is their biggest foreign policy achievement so far – Obama has managed to deliver something of significance in what he himself has said is a top priority in foreign policy,” said Thomas Graham, a former senior White House aide now at Kissinger Associates in New York.

“Particularly after healthcare, people will start to assess him rather differently than they just did two or three weeks ago,” Mr Graham added, referring to the president’s success in in pushing through legislation on his domestic priority.
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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2010, 06:27:37 AM »
Dismantling America one step at a time. 

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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2010, 06:34:59 AM »
Russia wants 8 years of Obama  ;D

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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2010, 06:41:15 AM »
Ur kidding right...we got what exactly out of this deal. Russia wants to modernize its conventional forces, cutting nukes is a win-win for them. If Russia makes a deal with us on anything, we're getting fucked regardless. This will hurt us somewhere, far worse then them. They will spend less on nukes and more on 5th gen fighters, communications and training. It does nothing for us either way. We'll have to modernize our nuke force anyway and the cuts or limitations will hurt both our bomber and sub forces...not rockets. Subs and next gen bombers keep the nuts bottled up. Even without nukes on board they are a huge deterent. The Chinese will also benefit with less Ohio's  running around. This will curtail development of the new Virgina class Boomer version.  Benny as usual...u have no idea.
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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2010, 06:44:28 AM »
Ur kidding right...we got what exactly out of this deal. Russia wants to modernize its conventional forces, cutting nukes is a win-win for them. If Russia makes a deal with us on anything, we're getting fucked regardless. This will hurt us somewhere, far worse then them. They will spend less on nukes and more on 5th gen fighters, communications and training. It does nothing for us either way. We'll have to modernize our nuke force anyway and the cuts or limitations will hurt both our bomber and sub forces...not rockets. Subs and next gen bombers keep the nuts bottled up. Even without nukes on board they are a huge deterent. The Chinese will also benefit with less Ohio's  running around. This will curtail development of the new Virgina class Boomer version.  Benny as usual...u have no idea.

Obama is doing this on purpose.   Make no mistake about it.   

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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2010, 08:34:19 AM »
quick Q...

If the US and USSR both reduceed their weapons by 50% tomorrow...

Would we still have enough to destroy the world a dozen times?

I mean, is this an example of us having a 115-inch penis, and them only having a 96-inch penis.... when 7 inches is plenty to get the job done?

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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2010, 08:48:44 AM »
quick Q...

If the US and USSR both reduceed their weapons by 50% tomorrow...

Would we still have enough to destroy the world a dozen times?

I mean, is this an example of us having a 115-inch penis, and them only having a 96-inch penis.... when 7 inches is plenty to get the job done?

From what I understand Russia is scraping their onld junk and we are getting rid of a lot of our good stuff.  HH6 can fill us in on this.

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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2010, 09:17:54 AM »
quick Q...

If the US and USSR both reduceed their weapons by 50% tomorrow...

Would we still have enough to destroy the world a dozen times?

I mean, is this an example of us having a 115-inch penis, and them only having a 96-inch penis.... when 7 inches is plenty to get the job done?



The problem is, it just doesn't break down that simply.  I'm no expert in destructive capability, but I would think most of the world would be gone with a thousand or less.

But there's lots of other issues.  Not all warheads may reach their targets.  At any given time, we have x-amount down for maintenance.  Some warheads may malfunction.  Manufacturer lead times have to be factored in when determining overall qty.  And on, and on...

The real issue, IMO, is what has the military recommended we have on hand versus what Barry's political ideals think we should have on hand.  And I don't know what DOD is recommending to the POTUS so maybe HH6 has some insight.



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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2010, 09:18:58 AM »
Ur kidding right...we got what exactly out of this deal. Russia wants to modernize its conventional forces, cutting nukes is a win-win for them. If Russia makes a deal with us on anything, we're getting fucked regardless. This will hurt us somewhere, far worse then them. They will spend less on nukes and more on 5th gen fighters, communications and training. It does nothing for us either way. We'll have to modernize our nuke force anyway and the cuts or limitations will hurt both our bomber and sub forces...not rockets. Subs and next gen bombers keep the nuts bottled up. Even without nukes on board they are a huge deterent. The Chinese will also benefit with less Ohio's  running around. This will curtail development of the new Virgina class Boomer version.  Benny as usual...u have no idea.
True, but the game ain't Nukes anymore, if we are talking in the air then it is 5th gen fighters and within space. And controlling seismic activities and weather activity. Also the control of info. Holding Nukes, is just that, holding nukes. How are you gonna launch Nukes when the weather is not okay and you've just been hit by a 7.5er? How are gonna launch a Nuke when your computers have been hacked?

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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2010, 09:22:44 AM »
True, but the game ain't Nukes anymore, if we are talking in the air then it is 5th gen fighters and within space. And controlling seismic activities and weather activity. Also the control of info. Holding Nukes, is just that, holding nukes. How are you gonna launch Nukes when the weather is not okay and you've just been hit by a 7.5er? How are gonna launch a Nuke when your computers have been hacked?


I'm not following.  You want our nuke policy based on CT?  Controlling seismic activity and the weather?

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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2010, 09:29:32 AM »

I'm not following.  You want our nuke policy based on CT?  Controlling seismic activity and the weather?

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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2010, 09:31:44 AM »

I'm not following.  You want our nuke policy based on CT?  Controlling seismic activity and the weather?

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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2010, 10:01:26 AM »

I'm not following.  You want our nuke policy based on CT?  Controlling seismic activity and the weather?
CT, my friend? HAARP has been confirmed, and you do remember that Chinese cleared the sky for the Bejeing Olympics. And it has been proven on how to make it rain. As farcas seismic activity I leave up to you guys. Low frequency sounds have been known for years to affect certain animals like Elephants, that use them, and can have numerous affects on human body. And high frquency sounds as well.

Don't focus on one part of the post, focus on the whole. Holding nukes is just that. There are more ways to get the job done. The pulbic has concerns over Nukes, while you are concerned of the front door, there are backdoor ways of doing things, then the basement, windows.

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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2010, 10:09:57 AM »
Great.  Less expense to upkeep the mass of nuclear weapons we have. 
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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2010, 10:11:09 AM »
CT, my friend? HAARP has been confirmed, and you do remember that Chinese cleared the sky for the Bejeing Olympics. And it has been proven on how to make it rain. As farcas seismic activity I leave up to you guys. Low frequency sounds have been known for years to affect certain animals like Elephants, that use them, and can have numerous affects on human body. And high frquency sounds as well.

Don't focus on one part of the post, focus on the whole. Holding nukes is just that. There are more ways to get the job done. The pulbic has concerns over Nukes, while you are concerned of the front door, there are backdoor ways of doing things, then the basement, windows.

 You think here in ANNAPOLIS there is just a harbor...

Beyond CT websites, HAARP has never been "confirmed" as anything close to an earthquake generator. Please stop lying and making fallacious claims.

It's cool that you build your entire argument around a CT, though. Really does wonders for proving your point. Skip hit the nail on the head with his post.

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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2010, 10:22:39 AM »
 ::) Benny you really are as dumb as dog shit aren't you? Outside of mindlessly posting articles that kiss Obama's ass, are you capable of anything resembling deep thought or objectivity that involves politics?



Bam's triple-diplo-whammy day-

By Ralph Peters


Wednesday, March 24, 2010, was the worst day for US diplomacy in recent memory.

Between sunrise and sunset, we 1) handled our Israeli allies as enemies, 2) treated Pakistani gangsters as our benefactors and 3) got blindsided -- brilliantly -- by the Russians.

First, the Russians: Well aware that President Obama desperately wants to hold in his hand a piece of paper guaranteeing nuclear arms cuts in our time, Moscow has been stalling and brawling to force us to bend to its will.

With a few last sticking points in play (which the White House refuses to make public), the Russian government blindsided US negotiators by announcing that the deal was done and the signing was on the calendar.



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Folks, this is diplomacy at a level we can't begin to touch. With their unilateral announcement, the Russians ensured that Obama will cave on the final points -- otherwise, it would look as though he scuttled the disarmament deal and undercut his own argument for anti-nuclear sanctions on Iran.

Could we please hire Russian negotiators to work for us?

Simultaneously, the administration welcomed a Pakistani delegation with orgiastic generosity. The Pakistanis scribbled out the bill, and we whipped out our credit card.

Pakistan's undercutting every reform effort we've made in Afghanistan and setting itself up to be the one entity that profits from our blood sacrifices. Pakistani intelligence (the ISI) has been busting every Taliban member it can't control to enhance its clout in Afghanistan. And we imagine they're doing it for us.

So we're speeding up the delivery of more arms and hastening the distribution of 7.5 billion bucks in nonmilitary aid to one of the most corrupt countries on earth. Randomly chosen used-car dealers could do a better job than our gullible diplomats.

The Pakistanis hope to muscle into Kabul in a gangland takeover -- and we're thanking them and paying protection money. They're laughing so hard they're spilling the Johnny Walker



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 Blue they guzzle behind closed doors (while preaching Islamic virtue).

Last, but not least, there's our arctic treatment of Benjamin Netanyahu and our Israeli allies. Kim Jong-Il or Hugo Chavez would've gotten a warmer White House reception than Bibi did.

Wednesday in Washington was dedicated to shooting down one Israeli compromise offer after another. Of course, we haven't asked those valiant Palestinian freedom fighters (unfairly considered terrorists by reactionaries like me) to compromise a fraction of an inch.

The Palestinians dictate, the White House obeys.

This is madness. Rewarding terror and intransigence, we're undercutting the single rule-of-law democracy and defender of human rights in the Middle East. "The rockets' red glare"? Last time I saw it, the rockets were raining down on civilians in northern Israel. But Obama truly believes that the Palestinians are the good guys.

Here's the US-Israeli-Palestinian relationship in simple terms: You run a business. And you have a brother who's worked with you for decades. A group of corrupt "partners" with criminal records, notorious for flouting every deal they've made, promises to make you rich. All you have to do is kill your brother.

The Palestinians and their Arab backers have broken their every pledge on the (blind-alley) road to a deal. Time and again, they've refused reasonable terms proposed by Israel.

They could've had a deal under Clinton. They had another chance under W. Each time, the Palestinians walked away. Because they don't really want peace with Israel. They want Israel destroyed. Either Obama gets it and agrees with them, or he's naive to an extent that makes Jimmy Carter look jaded.

As far as the trumped-up issue of settlements goes, my Israeli friends are missing a great opportunity: Since Obama's supporters insist on a history-based Palestinian right of return to Jerusalem, Jews should demand their historical right to resettlement in the Saudi-occupied city of Medina -- where their once-prosperous presence is documented by the Koran.

The ultimate travesty, of course, is that the Obama administration will spin each of Wednesday's triple-whammy debacles as a triumph. It showed those wicked Israelis who's boss; it gave treacherous Pakistanis all they demanded, and it got tricked by Russia into further weakening our strategic defenses.

This isn't a pattern of failure. It's a surrender cult.

Ralph Peters' new book is "Endless War: Middle Eastern Islam vs. Western Civilization."



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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2010, 10:36:17 AM »
GW - I dont blame obama anymore, I blame those who voted for him. 

In my mind, the people who voted for him are FAR more culpable in this treason since Obama said very clearly what he was going to do.  The fact that these dupes and useful idiots ignored all the evidence speaks far more about them than it does obama since his record, associations, etc have been clear since day one. 


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Re: US-Russia nuclear pact to be Obama victory
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2010, 10:57:54 AM »
All things considered, you are correct. What I find astounding is how fucking brainwashed and stupid people are.