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Class Warfare
« on: March 26, 2010, 12:37:50 PM »
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Discussing one of the goals of the new healthcare law:

Sen. Max Baucus (D): "Too often, much of late, the last couple three years the mal-distribution of income in America is gone up way too much, the wealthy are getting way, way too wealthy, and the middle income class is left behind. Wages have not kept up with increased income of the highest income in America. This legislation will have the effect of addressing that mal-distribution of income in America."


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/03/25/dem_senator_health_legislation_will_address_the_mal-distribution_of_income_in_america.html

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2010, 12:47:18 PM »
Great.  The biggest lie many American's fall for is that one day maybe they could be millionaires.   ::)  Wishing and voting like you are rich doesn't make it so.
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2010, 12:48:16 PM »
Great.  The biggest lie many American's fall for is that one day maybe they could be millionaires.   ::)  Wishing and voting like you are rich doesn't make it so.

It's not a lie.  You should read "The Millionaire Next Door."

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2010, 12:49:07 PM »
great book.  I have 'the millionaire mind' also.  it hasn't made me a millionaire, but i'm the only one among most of my peers with any kind of safety net.

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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2010, 12:49:53 PM »
great book.  I have 'the millionaire mind' also.  it hasn't made me a millionaire, but i'm the only one among most of my peers with any kind of safety net.

Stealing from one person to give to another does not spread wealth.  It spreads poverty. 

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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2010, 12:51:54 PM »
It's not a lie.  You should read "The Millionaire Next Door."

hahaha you're joking right?  The only millionaire in that scenario is the guy who wrote the book to sell to idiots who think they too can be part of the 1%.  About 1% of his readers along with the author probably get to that level. The rest middle class at best.  Keep perpetrating the lies
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2010, 12:52:55 PM »
Stealing from one person to give to another does not spread wealth.  It spreads poverty. 

How is taxing citizens for the benefits of the whole 'stealing'?  You have a warped view of everything 333 and i don't think it'll be long before you end up in some backwoods cabin writing about it. 
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2010, 12:55:14 PM »
hahaha you're joking right?  The only millionaire in that scenario is the guy who wrote the book to sell to idiots who think they too can be part of the 1%.  About 1% of his readers along with the author probably get to that level. The rest middle class at best.  Keep perpetrating the lies

I started with $700.00 to my name in 2002 and am already well on my way to being there.  I never took a dime from anyone and busted my ass for years, took risks, stress, etc.  

If i could do it, anyone can.  Shit, I failed out of college my first year.  

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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2010, 12:58:14 PM »
the book teaches you to get a net worth of a million or 2 by the time you retire.  None of that get-rich-quick stuff.  Rather, get yourself a solid skill set, open your own business, work hard, save 10% of everything you make, and avoid actions that work counter to the goal of attaining wealth.  Live in a safe, decent neighborhood and drive a lincoln.

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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2010, 01:00:04 PM »
How is taxing citizens for the benefits of the whole 'stealing'?  You have a warped view of everything 333 and i don't think it'll be long before you end up in some backwoods cabin writing about it. 

Because you are not benfitting the the "whole" you are are teaching dependency and lazy behavior. 

People need to STFU, man up, and get to work, not beg for the govt to steal $$ from their fellow citizens to give it to them.   

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2010, 01:00:08 PM »
I started with $700.00 to my name in 2002 and am already well on my way to being there.  I never took a dime from anyone and busted my ass for years, took risks, stress, etc.  

If i could do it, anyone can.  Shit, I failed out of college my first year.  

I never said it couldn't be done.  But it's a small % of people that make it.  The problem is that small % tells everyone else to pay taxes and that they've paid enough.  far from the truth.  i don't advocate a system where everyone pays the same, i think it should be based on your level of income.  It should be a fair amount for each person to help pay for services for the whole.  
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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2010, 01:03:33 PM »
Because you are not benfitting the the "whole" you are are teaching dependency and lazy behavior. 

People need to STFU, man up, and get to work, not beg for the govt to steal $$ from their fellow citizens to give it to them.   

So free education teaches dependency?  Driving on roads teaches dependency? 
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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2010, 01:05:45 PM »
hahaha you're joking right?  The only millionaire in that scenario is the guy who wrote the book to sell to idiots who think they too can be part of the 1%.  About 1% of his readers along with the author probably get to that level. The rest middle class at best.  Keep perpetrating the lies

You obviously haven't read the book.  You should also read the squeal "The Millionaire Mind."  It is a 20-year study of American millionaires (people with a net worth of a million or more), how they made their money, how they live, where they live, etc.  Any reasonable person who reads the books will have a completely different view of money, net worth, living below your means, etc.  I give the first one to some of the high school and college graduates I know.  

But back to Baucus' comments:  he represents Obama's Robin Hood approach.  Take from the "rich," give to the "poor."  
 

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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2010, 01:08:41 PM »
You obviously haven't read the book.  You should also read the squeal "The Millionaire Mind."  It is a 20-year study of American millionaires (people with a net worth of a million or more), how they made their money, how they live, where they live, etc.  Any reasonable person who reads the books will have a completely different view of money, net worth, living below your means, etc.  I give the first one to some of the high school and college graduates I know.  

But back to Baucus' comments:  he represents Obama's Robin Hood approach.  Take from the "rich," give to the "poor."  
 

Watch this KC - Michael Savage nails it again.  Obama nd the Dems  = trickle up poverty. 




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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2010, 01:12:11 PM »
the book teaches you to get a net worth of a million or 2 by the time you retire.  None of that get-rich-quick stuff.  Rather, get yourself a solid skill set, open your own business, work hard, save 10% of everything you make, and avoid actions that work counter to the goal of attaining wealth.  Live in a safe, decent neighborhood and drive a lincoln.

True, except for the Lincoln part.  The majority of American millionaires have never spent more than about $40k on a car. 

Also, they live below their means.  The majority of them can not work for the next ten years and still maintain their current lifestyle. 

And . . . the vast majority did not inherit their wealth.  They earned it. 

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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2010, 01:43:30 PM »
Warren Buffet still lives in his original house he bought many years ago and tools around in his old Ford pickup truck.  Even Proverbs states it..."The Wealthy pretend to be Poor, the Poor pretend to be Wealthy."  Just look at all the athletes that end up going bankrupt soon after their careers are over with.  They buy huge mansions without taking into consideration what the yearly tax would be on that property 20 years from now.  Not to mention all the jewelry and $300,000 cars with 26 inch rims.  Smart.

Taxing isn't the problem.  The problem is how that money is spent.  I know a guy in New York that is almost in his mid-30s that stays home and masturbates 5 to 6 times a day to anal and foot fetish porn while having received a welfare check for at least the last 10 years or so.  He has a 10 year old that lives with him and his wife.  This guy is unsure of what grade his son is in.  His hobbies(outside of masturbating) is building little remote-control cars.  The wife works at a fast-food place(hey, she works).  He has Type 2 diabetes and receives various medications(little to none paid by him, of course).  His son receives Ritalin medication.  However, he does have decent knowledge of automotive repair and makes a little money on the side whenever he needs to scratch up a few dollars to fulfill his, uh, hobbies.

This guy was offered a job at a furniture store.  All he had to do was show up for an interview and he'd have full time work.  He played stupid and never showed up for the interview.  He feared that working would reduce his government monetary allowance.  Sickening.  I'm not sure what the exact law in New York state is when it comes to welfare payments in perpetuity, but he along with thousands of others live like this.  If the welfare payments were cut off, this guy would be forced to take some responsibility upon himself and find a job. A LOT of the unemployment out there is by choice. 

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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2010, 01:54:07 PM »
Warren Buffet still lives in his original house he bought many years ago and tools around in his old Ford pickup truck.  Even Proverbs states it..."The Wealthy pretend to be Poor, the Poor pretend to be Wealthy."  Just look at all the athletes that end up going bankrupt soon after their careers are over with.  They buy huge mansions without taking into consideration what the yearly tax would be on that property 20 years from now.  Not to mention all the jewelry and $300,000 cars with 26 inch rims.  Smart.


That's right on the money (so to speak). 

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Re: Class Warfare
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2010, 02:12:22 PM »
"Big Hat, No Cattle"... I must think that 20 times a day.

Every time you see someone driving a 2009 Dodge Magnum with engine modifications and custom rims... complaining they can't find work and are worried about rent...

Ya just have to laugh.  WTF