Is America heading for another civil war? Revolution?

[Parker]

As Abe Lincoln had said prior to the Civil War, "A house divided against itself, will not stand"

[Tapeworm]

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Great flick!!  See you at the beehive.

[ShipSekki]

 Today in the news. Police arrested a bunch of Christian religious freaks who formed a militia.

 The government is just waiting for you to try something. Then they'll send in the SWAT team to arrest your ass.

 Lockdown.

[G_Thang]

Jesus, you're a dumb spook broken record.

interesting.

your mom es herself prostituta nos hoteis e deixando a dignidade no lixo (trash).  

i bet she more broken.    

[Method101]

As Abe Lincoln had said prior to the Civil War, "A house divided against itself, will not stand"

The founding fathers also oposed Black intergration into white society and only wanted immigration to come from European countries.

[ShipSekki]

The founding fathers also oposed Black intergration into white society and only wanted immigration to come from European countries.

 They also fucked donkeys and goats. Who cares about them? It's the 21st century now.

[Parker]

The founding fathers also oposed Black intergration into white society and only wanted immigration to come from European countries.

The founding fathers were all for intergration, within the sheets, with their chocolate treats.

[G_Thang]

They also fucked donkeys and goats. Who cares about them? It's the 21st century now.

u realize minorities just want an equal cut of the money pie.  we aint that in love with you.

[honest]

great non bodybuilding thread, Doom and some other posters has some great insight and good knowledge of actual facts, not fabricated news by our biased media.

[ShipSekki]

Dont fall into the liberal/conservative trap that television media feeds you.  The main point of this bill is to continue to prop up the US Dollar.
 Let me explain.
 Nothing happens by this government if it isn't good for big business.  Never has and never will.  Nixon took us off of the gold standard in 1971 after the cost of the Vietnam war was resulting in large dispersals of American gold to the foriegn governments that were lending us the money to fight.  Since then the dollar has been only backed up by the full 'faith and credit' of the American government and we have billions of dollars of debt we sell every month to the international market.  
 The problem is that the international market is tapped out and weary of buying more American debt.  They worry, and rightly so, that the Fed through it's dummy corporations are buying the largest chunks of this debt.  This way it looks like their appears to be a good 'market' for our dollar and it raises its value and draws foreign capital.  This is refered to as 'monetizing' and in lay man's terms means that we are printing the money we owe from nothing.  This devalues the dollar holdings of our creditors and is considerd an extremely dangerous sign.
  In order for the dollar to look strong several things have to happen.  The first is that the price of PMs has to stay relatively low.  This is done by advertised sales of large quantities by central banks.  The advertising of large supplies of PMs (precious metals) stirs fears in investors and starts a sell off...lowering the price.  This option was very successful through the 80's and 90's but is no longer sufficient to hold the price down.  When the 2008 crisis hit Gold and Silver moved higher against the dollar...probably closer to their 'true' value and central banks around the world have been increasing their PM reserves in large quantities
  Another way we prop up the dollar is through the buying of oil.  You can't buy oil in any other currency.  This creates a demand for dollars.  That demand pushes up their value.  Iraq publicized allowing the Euro to buy their local oil about six months before we invaded.  Iraq realized that they could break the monopoly of the dollar and make more money trading against it by having a reserve of Euros.  Iran is also contemplating a similar move.  Notice how both countries are portrayed by the American media.
  Another way to prop up the dollar is through the stock market.  When American stocks rise international investors buy dollars.  This also creates a demand and inflates their appearance.  The Bush 2008 bailout was done to pay back international investors who could have made things very sticky for the US in such a tough time.  It's also the reason Obama was chosen as he represented a less bullied foriegn policy and countries that we need to invest would feel less pushed around than under Bush, it's also the reason he won the Nobel...strictly geopolitical.  
  All the big investors know that the return of the Market after Obama's bailout was another bubble.  They also know that when the government handouts end there is a very good chance of deflation.  Deflation under an interest bearing currency system cannot be allowed to happen...not until they decide to crash it completely.  
  However, the governments bailing out of the market is playing particulary bad and there is genuine concern among the elites that they have to 'remold' their plans to pacify the international investors and the American public.  To do this they needs a hefty public investment in the market...a permanent yearly investment.  Bush couldn't get this done in 2005 with his privatize social security policies so a 'liberal' democrat was brought in and the 'health care' concept sold to the public.
  Since 2008 the American public's savings rate has gone to early 1970's levels.  Its the natural thing for people to do in an uncertain economic time.  The problem is that the US's GDP is 70% based on the public's spending.  The elites cannot allow the American public to pull back on their spending so they institute two specific measures.  The first is a .25% interest rate.  This means that your money sitting in a savings account is earning almost nothing.  If a market rally can be inflated it encources people to put their savings in where they can try to earn something.  The other option is to tax the money from them but new taxes are politcally unpopular.  So along come mandates.  These mandates make it federal law that the public has to purchase goods and services from a private, market driven, industry.  
  What's happened is that 1/6 of the GDP has just been solidified into the market and with the American obesity rate and high medical costs this should add a hefty increase to a stagnant market and shaky US dollar.

That's all it was.  The posturing and theatre of the actors on television was just for the benefit of the market group they represent.  Don't be fooled.

The greatest fraud of all is to keep American's fighting each other while the elites make off with all the money.  Always has been.

There is no enemy anywhere - Lao Tse

 Great post. You truely have to question everything that's happening in the news and dig much deeper for the truth.

[YngiweRhoads]

Great post. You truely have to question everything that's happening in the news and dig much deeper for the truth.

Yep. There's lots of info regarding this on the net. Some of this stuff is the result of a little too much paranoia, but some of it is definitely factual.

The creator of the Zeitgeist flicks has some interesting ideas as well.

[Voice of Doom]

Thanks for the compliment.  

What really galls me are people who come out with 'strong' opinions that are almost word for word the propaganda put in their brains by the media.  It's like they believe that they are part of some special club that's getting the 'real' truth that everyone else is out to oppress.  The fact that they hear this 'real' truth in between ads for beer, viagra, football, stomach medicine, makeup and whatever else that medium is selling seem to be brushed away and rationalized.  And that comment goes for boths side of the debate.                  
  Domesticated primates have 'bred in' genetic fears and insecurities and those feelings are precisely what's played on by the elites.  DPs (domesticated primates) need to feel a part of a group.  There is no worse fear than being on the outside.  This fear comes from the very real threats posed in early human civilization.  Ostrization back then almost meant certain death...these days that instict is used to sell sports wear and political bumber stickers.  That fear if played correctly can be utilized for destruction and turned into hate.
  DP's are easily controlled if you place an enemy at their border.  In early human existence when an external threat appeared in the DP's territory it was essential to the survival of the pact that individualism be subjugated.  Everyone submitted to the Alpha DP's will until the threat was resolved.  These days that same instict is manipulated by the elites except the enemy is never destroyed, the threat never abated.  The american citizen is kept in a perpetual low level state of fear about their borders.  This was designed on purpose and became the defact controlling policy after WW2.  Americans have simply been submitting to the will of whatever threat the alpha DP says he (and it will always be a he) can protect them from.  Russians, Vietnamese, Sandanistas, west Germans, Cubans, Koreans, Iranians, Palestinians, Chinese, Terrorists...the list keeps growing and more 'rights' are always needed to be 'momentarilly' relinquished to propel these enemy at the gates.  These rights never return...never.  It's not that legitimate threats don't exist but if they didn't...they would be manufactured...think AlQueda.
  The conditioning starts early for humans.  You are separated into age groups, and then gender groups, and then groups based upon any skill you show.  You join the High School ralley to support the 'home coming' game.  Get it...home coming?  You sit in stands in matching uniforms and hoot and hollar like your ancestors in the trees hoping to frighten away the visiting tiger that's wandered into your territory.   I don't begrudge this because I have also been a victim of it.  The overwhelming power and elctrical energy of thousands of humans uniting their wills to accomplish something is amazing...it raises the hair on the back on the neck.      
 Once you make it out of the programming schools we then have this marvelous brainwashing media that helps separate you into politcal classes and designates which network will be your information source.  The advertisers come along in between and help you to individualize yourself by buying products.  Americans believe they are different because they buy BMW vs Ford, Iphone vc HTC, blu ray vs HD, Mac vs Windows, Calvin Klien vs Versace, Jets vs Giants, Nike vs Reebox, Rush Limbaugh vs Air America.  The problem is these choices of indivduation are shallow and meaningless outside of the group pack that buys the similar product.  They are also choices that keep you trapped in the paradigm that the elites create to control you.

  To be born is to be brainwashed and that's an emotional fact of human existence.  The Buddha claimed that 90% of the people in the world had no spiritual inclination...sadly he may have been right.
 

[Parker]

Thanks for the compliment.  

What really galls me are people who come out with 'strong' opinions that are almost word for word the propaganda put in their brains by the media.  It's like they believe that they are part of some special club that's getting the 'real' truth that everyone else is out to oppress.  The fact that they hear this 'real' truth in between ads for beer, viagra, football, stomach medicine, makeup and whatever else that medium is selling seem to be brushed away and rationalized.  And that comment goes for boths side of the debate.                  
  Domesticated primates have 'bred in' genetic fears and insecurities and those feelings are precisely what's played on by the elites.  DPs (domesticated primates) need to feel a part of a group.  There is no worse fear than being on the outside.  This fear comes from the very real threats posed in early human civilization.  Ostrization back then almost meant certain death...these days that instict is used to sell sports wear and political bumber stickers.  That fear if played correctly can be utilized for destruction and turned into hate.
  DP's are easily controlled if you place an enemy at their border.  In early human existence when an external threat appeared in the DP's territory it was essential to the survival of the pact that individualism be subjugated.  Everyone submitted to the Alpha DP's will until the threat was resolved.  These days that same instict is manipulated by the elites except the enemy is never destroyed, the threat never abated.  The american citizen is kept in a perpetual low level state of fear about their borders.  This was designed on purpose and became the defact controlling policy after WW2.  Americans have simply been submitting to the will of whatever threat the alpha DP says he (and it will always be a he) can protect them from.  Russians, Vietnamese, Sandanistas, west Germans, Cubans, Koreans, Iranians, Palestinians, Chinese, Terrorists...the list keeps growing and more 'rights' are always needed to be 'momentarilly' relinquished to propel these enemy at the gates.  These rights never return...never.  It's not that legitimate threats don't exist but if they didn't...they would be manufactured...think AlQueda.
  The conditioning starts early for humans.  You are separated into age groups, and then gender groups, and then groups based upon any skill you show.  You join the High School ralley to support the 'home coming' game.  Get it...home coming?  You sit in stands in matching uniforms and hoot and hollar like your ancestors in the trees hoping to frighten away the visiting tiger that's wandered into your territory.   I don't begrudge this because I have also been a victim of it.  The overwhelming power and elctrical energy of thousands of humans uniting their wills to accomplish something is amazing...it raises the hair on the back on the neck.      
 Once you make it out of the programming schools we then have this marvelous brainwashing media that helps separate you into politcal classes and designates which network will be your information source.  The advertisers come along in between and help you to individualize yourself by buying products.  Americans believe they are different because they buy BMW vs Ford, Iphone vc HTC, blu ray vs HD, Mac vs Windows, Calvin Klien vs Versace, Jets vs Giants, Nike vs Reebox, Rush Limbaugh vs Air America.  The problem is these choices of indivduation are shallow and meaningless outside of the group pack that buys the similar product.  They are also choices that keep you trapped in the paradigm that the elites create to control you.

  To be born is to be brainwashed and that's an emotional fact of human existence.  The Buddha claimed that 90% of the people in the world had no spiritual inclination...sadly he may have been right.
 

Truth in these words...

[Natural Man]

   
Americans believe they are different because they buy BMW vs Ford, Iphone vc HTC, blu ray vs HD, Mac vs Windows, Calvin Klien vs Versace, Jets vs Giants, Nike vs Reebox, Rush Limbaugh vs Air America.  The problem is these choices of indivduation are shallow and meaningless outside of the group pack that buys the similar product.  They are also choices that keep you trapped in the paradigm that the elites create to control you.

  To be born is to be brainwashed and that's an emotional fact of human existence.  The Buddha claimed that 90% of the people in the world had no spiritual inclination...sadly he may have been right.
 

just fyi, it's the same shit going on everywhere on the planet...europe, russia, africa, australia...it's called capitalism, globalization, materialism and individualism.

Looks like someone is into anthropology  

Fact is, europe north america and the commonwealth arent democracies... that voting is useless, and that "informations" are propaganda. You can live without believing into any of all these bullshits and it wouldnt change much about the course of the world at all. As you said it, it's all an illusion. People believe in democracy like believers believe in religions. TV is the new invisible Church. People dont even know they re believers of this Church. Religions or "democracies" , both are as crooked as each other. Both are full of lies hiding what truly underlines their respective functionning.People only think about what TV tells em to think about. Most people have their heads filled with ads, political slogans and movie's one liners.
They re getting stupider by the day. And it makes the elites richer than ever. People are educated to become dumber.
It's no wonder the best way to get from the bottom of the pyramid to the top is to lie and manipulate dumber, gullible people's opinions. Has always been that way.

[Voice of Doom]

I agree with you 100%.  It's the Malthusian philosophy come to fruition...and ,sadly, it appears to be the easiest to sell to both the elites and the slaves.  I’m not making a 'moral' judgment about the process except to say that it's extremely inefficient and (I think) a retardation of humanity's evolution.  I also believe that there are other forces at work in the world only because I sense a natural balance to all things.  I also don't think you can have a complete philosophical ideology without taking into account the damage quotient that seems inherent in the Domesticate Primate species.  The destructive nature that defines humanity must play a role in the larger purpose of life on this planet.  This is what I'm seeking to find and maybe that only as a comforting rationalization.   However, in light of the expansive atrocities committed in the 20th century I can't see how a conscious entity can't but help try to find a rationalized meaning for humanity anymore.  To simply accept its dark nature would be to condemn it as an evolutionary aberration and one that would, for the survival of the planet, need to be extinguished.
More questions than answers at this point BUT I've enjoyed this dialog.  Getbig never fails to impress me.  On a small tangent and in response to Ron's recent posting about how out of control Getbig has gotten I think he's wrong.   I think that Getbig has out grown his original concept but to try to rein it in is to kill a unique experiment.  After being here for a couple of years it's apparent to me that Getbig is simply asking the question, 'what does it mean to be a man?’  Like a great piece of art Getbig brings men from around the world who share an appreciation of male physical perfection.  This same question has been asked since antiquity and defined in art, war and science but in America,at this time where a feminized, product buying and service oriented culture dominate, the question gets ridiculed and moved out of sight.  What a tremendous disservice for a country whose history truly redefined the role of a free man in the world!
It is precisely because of the different styles of members and the freedom of expression that keeps Getbig on the razor’s edge of answering that question.  It’s no BS style of confrontation; its questioning of every concept shows a really anarchistic approach to a community.  Out of this a brotherhood, of some sorts, has arrived where color, race, age, class status, nationality, sexual orientation all become characteristics of the man NOT the man itself.  This is extremely important and different than the modern media/elites want.  They want you to identify yourself by the above qualities so you can be manipulated to buy and to hate others who are different.  At Getbig, your differences are magnified at the beginning, brought out into the light, discussed, condemned, laughed at, applauded and then made secondary to the point of view you and your experience bring to the larger question facing our species…’What does it mean to be a man?’
This is a tremendous thing.  

[jesusbod]

So with the right wing losing their mind and talking about taking back their country is it time that the racist rednecks in the USA will start a war because they cannot handle having a black president who passed healthcare?

If so this will prove once and for what a bunch of hypocrites the republicans are

It's not a matter if the President is Black... It is a matter of him turning this country into a Nanny State... The only ones making this about race are the Liberal Progressive Hacks since they cannot compete with the substance of the issues.

[Danny]

It's not a matter if the President is Black... It is a matter of him turning this country into a Nanny State... The only ones making this about race are the Liberal Progressive Hacks since they cannot compete with the substance of the issues.

" This photo was taken in Feb ‘09 of tea party organizer Dale Robertson with a sign reading: “Congress = Slaveowner, Taxpayer = Niggar.”

what's your take on this one?

[jesusbod]

" This photo was taken in Feb ‘09 of tea party organizer Dale Robertson with a sign reading: “Congress = Slaveowner, Taxpayer = Niggar.”

what's your take on this one?

Piss poor Photo Shop job... Whoever did it, surely isn't a professional... Then again, I am not naive to think there are not racists out there that hate the President because of his skin. The majority are not like what you depict in your picture.

[Tapeworm]

I agree with you 100%.  It's the Malthusian philosophy come to fruition...and ,sadly, it appears to be the easiest to sell to both the elites and the slaves.  I’m not making a 'moral' judgment about the process except to say that it's extremely inefficient and (I think) a retardation of humanity's evolution.  I also believe that there are other forces at work in the world only because I sense a natural balance to all things.  I also don't think you can have a complete philosophical ideology without taking into account the damage quotient that seems inherent in the Domesticate Primate species.  The destructive nature that defines humanity must play a role in the larger purpose of life on this planet.  This is what I'm seeking to find and maybe that only as a comforting rationalization.   However, in light of the expansive atrocities committed in the 20th century I can't see how a conscious entity can't but help try to find a rationalized meaning for humanity anymore.  To simply accept its dark nature would be to condemn it as an evolutionary aberration and one that would, for the survival of the planet, need to be extinguished.
More questions than answers at this point BUT I've enjoyed this dialog.  Getbig never fails to impress me.  On a small tangent and in response to Ron's recent posting about how out of control Getbig has gotten I think he's wrong.   I think that Getbig has out grown his original concept but to try to rein it in is to kill a unique experiment.  After being here for a couple of years it's apparent to me that Getbig is simply asking the question, 'what does it mean to be a man?’  Like a great piece of art Getbig brings men from around the world who share an appreciation of male physical perfection.  This same question has been asked since antiquity and defined in art, war and science but in America,at this time where a feminized, product buying and service oriented culture dominate, the question gets ridiculed and moved out of sight.  What a tremendous disservice for a country whose history truly redefined the role of a free man in the world!
It is precisely because of the different styles of members and the freedom of expression that keeps Getbig on the razor’s edge of answering that question.  It’s no BS style of confrontation; its questioning of every concept shows a really anarchistic approach to a community.  Out of this a brotherhood, of some sorts, has arrived where color, race, age, class status, nationality, sexual orientation all become characteristics of the man NOT the man itself.  This is extremely important and different than the modern media/elites want.  They want you to identify yourself by the above qualities so you can be manipulated to buy and to hate others who are different.  At Getbig, your differences are magnified at the beginning, brought out into the light, discussed, condemned, laughed at, applauded and then made secondary to the point of view you and your experience bring to the larger question facing our species…’What does it mean to be a man?’
This is a tremendous thing.  

A valiant effort at ennobling the brain droppings of a throng of narcissistic figleafers!