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Re: what's your opinion of chiropractors?
« Reply #75 on: March 31, 2010, 05:27:17 PM »
How was it, sore today? Did the "Dr" try and talk you into a multi year committment to the program? ::)

no I work for a chiro. just started this week Not sore, and no commitment (my adjustments are free), and that is not practiced in the office I work in. FYI, he saw 2 9 year olds yesterday and 12 year old today.

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Re: what's your opinion of chiropractors?
« Reply #76 on: March 31, 2010, 05:30:02 PM »
no I work for a chiro. just started this week Not sore, and no commitment (my adjustments are free), and that is not practiced in the office I work in. FYI, he saw 2 9 year olds yesterday and 12 year old today.
poor kids. :'( Do you really think manipulationg a child is appropriate, would you subject your child to that?
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« Reply #77 on: March 31, 2010, 05:31:41 PM »
poor kids. :'( Do you really think manipulationg a child is appropriate, would you subject your child to that?

um not sure who you think who is manipulating who. The parents take the child and they are patients to. I think when my daughter is older, yes I would. If chiros are such bullshit artists like some think, then why are they allowed to practice...let the flood gates open and release the cracken

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« Reply #78 on: March 31, 2010, 05:32:58 PM »
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/children/04/11/chiro.forcolic.wmd/

Experts urge cautious approach with chiropractors treating colic

(WebMD) -- Parents will go a long way just to quiet a colicky baby. The quest often starts with a baby swing, progresses to 3 a.m. drives around the neighborhood and ends in a pediatrician's office, where parents get condolences and little else.

But desperate moms and dads don't have to stop there. Although pediatricians may be baffled by colic, it's still fairly easy to find a doctor who believes the cure is at hand. Just look in the phone book under "Chiropractor."

"I've helped hundreds of babies with colic," says Maxine McMullen, D.C., a chiropractor in Davenport, Iowa, and president of the International Chiropractic Association's Pediatric Council. "Every one of them simply needed a spinal adjustment."

Given McMullen's specialty, her remedy isn't surprising. But is it really a good idea to put a tiny body in the hands of a chiropractor? Gentle adjustments do seem to be safe, and a new study suggests they really can help ease the symptoms of colic. What concerns skeptics is that not all pediatric chiropractors limit themselves to such mild techniques, and some may offer questionable advice. So any parent considering chiropractic for a baby should use extreme caution.

A credibility boost

Pediatric chiropractors have long been dismissed by mainstream doctors. Their credibility rose a bit with the publication of a study in the October 1999 issue of the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics. Researchers at the University of Southern Denmark reported that colicky babies who underwent spinal adjustments cried far less than those who received dimethicone drops, the standard (and generally ineffective) treatment.

The manipulation was nothing like the forceful shoves sometimes given to adult backs. Instead, chiropractors applied light pressure to the spine with their fingertips. Twenty-five randomly selected colicky infants received three to five of these treatments over two weeks.

By the end of the treatment period, diaries kept by parents showed that the babies shortened their daily crying episodes by three hours. In contrast, the crying of 20 infants taking dimethicone decreased by only one hour.

In a previous study, published in the journal's August 1989 issue, researchers tried the same technique on 316 colicky babies and found that their crying soon diminished. For the 1989 study, however, they did not look at a group of babies not treated with chiropractic.

Babies with back pain?

Doctors have spent decades trying to connect colic to digestive problems, but Niels Nilsson, D.C., M.D., Ph.D., an associate professor of clinical biomechanics and co-author of the study, believes the real trouble lies in the spine and back muscles.

"For all we know, those infants may suffer from back pain," Nilsson says. Infants don't do much heavy lifting, but they could easily strain their backs while being born, he says.

Back pain or no, colicky infants probably find comfort in the touch of a hand -- whether that of a chiropractor, massage therapist or concerned parent, says Samuel Homola, D.C., a Florida chiropractor who practiced for 43 years before retiring in 1998. Furthermore, gently pressing the spine is probably safe at any age, he says.

Questions about safety

Unfortunately, not all chiropractors work with a light touch. Many practitioners (including McMullen) routinely adjust the necks of infants, while others apply enough force to the spine to produce the popping sound familiar to adult patients. In youngsters with still-developing bones, such techniques could invite serious injury, says Homola, author of Inside Chiropractic: A Patient's Guide.

"I would never take a baby or a young child to a chiropractor," he says. "There's no good reason to do it, and there may be some risk."

The dangers go beyond potential damage to growing bones. Pediatric chiropractors often cling to concepts from the far fringes of medicine, Homola says. For instance, many tell parents that spinal manipulations should take the place of vaccines. And despite a shortage of evidence, chiropractors often claim to be able to cure ear infections, asthma, attention deficit disorder and a host of other childhood illnesses, he says.

The American Academy of Pediatrics declined to comment on the subject, but Victor Turow, M.D., a pediatrician at North Shore University Hospital in Great Neck, New York, adds another warning to those of Homola: Chiropractors are rarely qualified to diagnose a baby's ailment. A baby who cries inconsolably may have colic, or he may have constipation, acid reflux or a milk allergy, he says.

Proceed with caution

For sleep-deprived parents willing to give chiropractic a chance, Turow offers this advice: Take your baby to a pediatrician first to rule out any hidden disorders. If the doctor diagnoses colic, ask him or her to recommend a reputable chiropractor. And when you visit the chiropractor, insist that your baby's neck is off-limits.

There is another option. All colicky babies eventually stop wailing on their own, usually around their third month, Turow says. So if parents don't want to entrust their infants to a chiropractor, they could always try the only sure-fire remedy: time.
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Re: what's your opinion of chiropractors?
« Reply #79 on: March 31, 2010, 05:33:16 PM »
Link me to the peer-reviewed journal articles.
If I actually thought u were interested I would but most people on here don't care so I won't, but if ur actually interested pm me and I'll be glad to send you some

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Re: what's your opinion of chiropractors?
« Reply #80 on: March 31, 2010, 05:35:54 PM »
um not sure who you think who is manipulating adjusting who. The parents take the child and they are patients to. I think when my daughter is older, yes I would. If chiros are such bullshit artists like some think, then why are they allowed to practice...let the flood gates open and release the cracken
I don't know why they are allowed to practice but I hope the AMA puts them out of business soon.
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Re: what's your opinion of chiropractors?
« Reply #81 on: March 31, 2010, 05:37:22 PM »
Can't find the peer editors on this article I'm on my
phone but rest assured it was a bunch of
md's that are uneducated as to what chiropractor do, it's not their fault that they don't know, just like a cardiologist would peer review a case study on lower gi tumor
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/children/04/11/chiro.forcolic.wmd/

Experts urge cautious approach with chiropractors treating colic

(WebMD) -- Parents will go a long way just to quiet a colicky baby. The quest often starts with a baby swing, progresses to 3 a.m. drives around the neighborhood and ends in a pediatrician's office, where parents get condolences and little else.

But desperate moms and dads don't have to stop there. Although pediatricians may be baffled by colic, it's still fairly easy to find a doctor who believes the cure is at hand. Just look in the phone book under "Chiropractor."

"I've helped hundreds of babies with colic," says Maxine McMullen, D.C., a chiropractor in Davenport, Iowa, and president of the International Chiropractic Association's Pediatric Council. "Every one of them simply needed a spinal adjustment."

Given McMullen's specialty, her remedy isn't surprising. But is it really a good idea to put a tiny body in the hands of a chiropractor? Gentle adjustments do seem to be safe, and a new study suggests they really can help ease the symptoms of colic. What concerns skeptics is that not all pediatric chiropractors limit themselves to such mild techniques, and some may offer questionable advice. So any parent considering chiropractic for a baby should use extreme caution.

A credibility boost

Pediatric chiropractors have long been dismissed by mainstream doctors. Their credibility rose a bit with the publication of a study in the October 1999 issue of the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics. Researchers at the University of Southern Denmark reported that colicky babies who underwent spinal adjustments cried far less than those who received dimethicone drops, the standard (and generally ineffective) treatment.

The manipulation was nothing like the forceful shoves sometimes given to adult backs. Instead, chiropractors applied light pressure to the spine with their fingertips. Twenty-five randomly selected colicky infants received three to five of these treatments over two weeks.

By the end of the treatment period, diaries kept by parents showed that the babies shortened their daily crying episodes by three hours. In contrast, the crying of 20 infants taking dimethicone decreased by only one hour.

In a previous study, published in the journal's August 1989 issue, researchers tried the same technique on 316 colicky babies and found that their crying soon diminished. For the 1989 study, however, they did not look at a group of babies not treated with chiropractic.

Babies with back pain?

Doctors have spent decades trying to connect colic to digestive problems, but Niels Nilsson, D.C., M.D., Ph.D., an associate professor of clinical biomechanics and co-author of the study, believes the real trouble lies in the spine and back muscles.

"For all we know, those infants may suffer from back pain," Nilsson says. Infants don't do much heavy lifting, but they could easily strain their backs while being born, he says.

Back pain or no, colicky infants probably find comfort in the touch of a hand -- whether that of a chiropractor, massage therapist or concerned parent, says Samuel Homola, D.C., a Florida chiropractor who practiced for 43 years before retiring in 1998. Furthermore, gently pressing the spine is probably safe at any age, he says.

Questions about safety

Unfortunately, not all chiropractors work with a light touch. Many practitioners (including McMullen) routinely adjust the necks of infants, while others apply enough force to the spine to produce the popping sound familiar to adult patients. In youngsters with still-developing bones, such techniques could invite serious injury, says Homola, author of Inside Chiropractic: A Patient's Guide.

"I would never take a baby or a young child to a chiropractor," he says. "There's no good reason to do it, and there may be some risk."

The dangers go beyond potential damage to growing bones. Pediatric chiropractors often cling to concepts from the far fringes of medicine, Homola says. For instance, many tell parents that spinal manipulations should take the place of vaccines. And despite a shortage of evidence, chiropractors often claim to be able to cure ear infections, asthma, attention deficit disorder and a host of other childhood illnesses, he says.

The American Academy of Pediatrics declined to comment on the subject, but Victor Turow, M.D., a pediatrician at North Shore University Hospital in Great Neck, New York, adds another warning to those of Homola: Chiropractors are rarely qualified to diagnose a baby's ailment. A baby who cries inconsolably may have colic, or he may have constipation, acid reflux or a milk allergy, he says.

Proceed with caution

For sleep-deprived parents willing to give chiropractic a chance, Turow offers this advice: Take your baby to a pediatrician first to rule out any hidden disorders. If the doctor diagnoses colic, ask him or her to recommend a reputable chiropractor. And when you visit the chiropractor, insist that your baby's neck is off-limits.

There is another option. All colicky babies eventually stop wailing on their own, usually around their third month, Turow says. So if parents don't want to entrust their infants to a chiropractor, they could always try the only sure-fire remedy: time.

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Re: what's your opinion of chiropractors?
« Reply #82 on: March 31, 2010, 05:37:39 PM »
If I actually thought u were interested I would but most people on here don't care so I won't, but if ur actually interested pm me and I'll be glad to send you some
says the wannbe chiropractor charlatan.
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Re: what's your opinion of chiropractors?
« Reply #83 on: March 31, 2010, 05:51:46 PM »
says the wannbe chiropractor charlatan.

Make sure your "attorney wife" gets you a new keyboard....you are getting so bent out of shape on this you are liable to break your keyboard.  You are melting down so much.

Out of curiosity...what awesome career path have you chosen if not fry cook?  No bullshitting around...back up your talk tiny tit!  ::)

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Re: what's your opinion of chiropractors?
« Reply #84 on: March 31, 2010, 05:55:16 PM »
Make sure your "attorney wife" gets you a new keyboard....you are getting so bent out of shape on this you are liable to break your keyboard.  You are melting down so much.

Out of curiosity...what awesome career path have you chosen if not fry cook?  No bullshitting around...back up your talk tiny tit!  ::)
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Re: what's your opinion of chiropractors?
« Reply #85 on: March 31, 2010, 06:09:03 PM »
I have used a chiropractor before and I think they are great.

A while ago I had some pain around my heart so I went to a regular doctor to get checked out.  However the doctors found nothing wrong.

So a friend said maybe I should check out a chiropractor.  Turned out my spine was pretty misaligned due to my work (office job) and there were some nerves being pinched.

I had a few adjustments done, pain was gone.  What was crazy though there was this one adjustment my doctor did that F*$*$* hurt like hell for like a split second (worst pain ever), but then after all the pain was gone.  So I'm a believer for sure. 

True story.

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« Reply #86 on: March 31, 2010, 06:11:40 PM »
I have used a chiropractor before and I think they are great.

A while ago I had some pain around my heart so I went to a regular doctor to get checked out.  However the doctors found nothing wrong.

So a friend said maybe I should check out a chiropractor.  Turned out my spine was pretty misaligned due to my work (office job) and there were some nerves being pinched.

I had a few adjustments done, pain was gone.  What was crazy though there was this one adjustment my doctor did that F*$*$* hurt like hell for like a split second (worst pain ever), but then after all the pain was gone.  So I'm a believer for sure. 

True story.
ribs that come out are notorious for referring pain around the front and at the right level can be confused with heart pain. And those rib adjustments can really really hurt

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Re: what's your opinion of chiropractors?
« Reply #87 on: March 31, 2010, 07:08:56 PM »
Federal Government, yes I could wreck your entire existence.

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Re: what's your opinion of chiropractors?
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Ahh....toll booth employee.  Congrats!!!!   ::)  Try again.  You = failure.
Toll booth employees are State workers, IDIOT!
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« Reply #89 on: March 31, 2010, 07:20:32 PM »
Federal Government, yes I could wreck your entire existence.

Threatening to wreck my existence....wow...meltd own and a half....

Threatening someone online....wow....someone has insecurity issues....

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Re: what's your opinion of chiropractors?
« Reply #90 on: March 31, 2010, 07:32:13 PM »
Threatening to wreck my existence....wow...meltd own and a half....

Threatening someone online....wow....someone has insecurity issues....
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Re: what's your opinion of chiropractors?
« Reply #91 on: March 31, 2010, 07:38:57 PM »
Scared

 What are you going to do to me?  Make fun of my hair?  HA HA HA.....

Your rage is obvious....I am so in your head that you are resorting to threats....

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« Reply #92 on: March 31, 2010, 07:50:32 PM »
What are you going to do to me?  Make fun of my hair?  HA HA HA.....

Your rage is obvious....I am so in your head that you are resorting to threats....
Quiet night at home tonight? Does your cat greet you at the door when you come home? Do you curl up with that nasty cat as you drift off then wake up to another day of a meaningless existence. Was it because you have a micropenis that no woman wanted to be with you? After expenses do you break 50K a year from your measly practice? Must suck to be you a, severly balding, gay loser, who is 40 and only has a cat to come home to. Quite sad.
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« Reply #93 on: March 31, 2010, 08:00:35 PM »
Quiet night at home tonight? Does your cat greet you at the door when you come home? Do you curl up with that nasty cat as you drift off then wake up to another day of a meaningless existence. Was it because you have a micropenis that no woman wanted to be with you? After expenses do you break 50K a year from your measly practice? Must suck to be you a, severly balding, gay loser, who is 40 and only has a cat to come home to. Quite sad.

Wow....how sad it is to have this "lovely classy beautiful attorney wife" at home and instead of spending time with her you choose to meltdown on GetBig....classic...

Keep it coming....keep hitting the refresh button.....not too hard, you dont want to make your wife mad so she has to do a double team tomorrow to buy you another mouse.   ;D

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Re: what's your opinion of chiropractors?
« Reply #94 on: April 06, 2010, 10:41:07 AM »
well just had my first adjustment..mannnnnnnnnn nnn feel brand new...I guess Im a mess lol..shoulders off, joints in my neck...mind you I was not in any pain at all before my adjustment but omg feel like a new person

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Re: what's your opinion of chiropractors?
« Reply #95 on: April 06, 2010, 12:37:08 PM »
i have my third and fourth ribs out of subluxed posteriorly, and did some anterior thoracics on them and after about 6-8 adjustments with proper muscle training, stretching i dont have pain when i do lat spreads, anteriorly flex etc..

Can they cure asthma, help with colic no, if you have actual issues they can definitely help. Not sure what the argument is, without the proper soft tissue work as well its just a temporary fix.

I had winged scapula as a kid and hypermobile ligaments/tendons so i find alot of benefit from them. I also know how to do adjustments, but claiming it cures asthma and all that shit is beyond retarded.

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« Reply #96 on: April 06, 2010, 12:38:15 PM »
I like mine. She gives me a handjob every time.  I think she loves me long time.

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« Reply #97 on: April 06, 2010, 01:20:58 PM »
I like mine. She gives me a handjob every time.  I think she loves me long time.

Does she work out of a van?

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« Reply #98 on: April 06, 2010, 01:30:09 PM »
Does she work out of a van?

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« Reply #99 on: April 16, 2010, 10:59:53 PM »
how do I find a good deep tissue masseuse NO HOMO

I'm also looking for some professional to give me an opinion of my imbalances. My left side feels fucked. I'm thinking I need to see a podiatrist as well.

not sure if I'm being a hypochondriac or there are things that need to be sorted out.

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