shane carwin (spoiler)

[big L dawg]

when brock LOST to mir the first time yes....mir was having alot of problems coming back from his accident. i truely believe that the fight was picked for brock to win...and i know how you feel about fedor but i DO think he would dominate the ufc

yea I was going to mention that...Mir lost a step from that accident...No doubt in my mind thats why he was chosen to face Brock...then you got heath herring...Whats his UFC record? 1-4? 2-3? somthin like that...dude sucked in the UFC very slow and out of shape....then you have couture...someone that shouldn't even be fighting heavyweight dude is a natural 205'er...factor that in with the fact he's 100 years old...yea hes a fan favorite but lets face it he's lost his fair share of fights...his record when he fought Brock was like 16-10...those three guys were hand picked for obvious reasons anyone that cannot see that is in serious denial....Oh lets not forget Brock's first opponent min so with a record of 4-7....Dana told Brock he had to have one fight before UFC signed him and Brock's people came up with that guy ha ha
paper champion that will soon be exposed is all he is...

[WeightPSHR]

Carwin will dismantle and destroy Brock. Carwin is a refined more skilled version of  Brock. I can not wait for this fight in July. Brock is just bad for the sport. He acts like this is still WWE. Carwin on the other hand is everything a champion should be.

That being said, Mir can have his humble pie, Brock is scared shitless, and Fedor is irrelevant in the HW division currently.
Fedor is slowly riding off into the sunset. He realizes that this new breed of HW is nothing to mess with.

[coltrane]

I don't think Brock is scared of Carwin at all.  And i'm by far NOT a fan of Brock's.


For those who think Brock is taller than Carwin:  remember in the ring on saturday night, Brock had shoes on... Carwin didn't...  AND Brock had a full suit on.  Obviously Brock will look bigger.

I think it's an amazing match up.  Either guy would be ko'd. 

[WeightPSHR]

I don't think Brock is scared of Carwin at all.  And i'm by far NOT a fan of Brock's.


For those who think Brock is taller than Carwin:  remember in the ring on saturday night, Brock had shoes on... Carwin didn't...  AND Brock had a full suit on.  Obviously Brock will look bigger.

I think it's an amazing match up.  Either guy would be ko'd. 

Agree, Brock is NOT bigger than Carwin, and if he is slightly, it is irrelevant. Carwin is a monster. To dirty box and experienced HW into a KO is RIDICULOUS!

This is an exciting match-up for sure. One thing they both have is raw power and strength. It will be crazy to see them try to overpower one another.
At the end of the day, Carwin has more skills and is a smarter fighter.

[gmflex]

Agree, Brock is NOT bigger than Carwin, and if he is slightly, it is irrelevant. Carwin is a monster. To dirty box and experienced HW into a KO is RIDICULOUS!

This is an exciting match-up for sure. One thing they both have is raw power and strength. It will be crazy to see them try to overpower one another.
At the end of the day, Carwin has more skills and is a smarter fighter.

i hope this doesn't become a pattern 

but i agree with you 


this going to be one hell of a match...

[WeightPSHR]

i hope this doesn't become a pattern 

but i agree with you 


this going to be one hell of a match...

Well, if you can truthfully say that you think Fedor has a chance against Carwin, then we can start disagreeing again

Fedor is just too small to fight a SKILLED 280lb freak. I know he has fought bigger guys in the past, but none as skilled and powerful like Carwin.

[George Whorewell]

Kevin Randleman and Mark Coleman in their primes are more skilled than Shane Carwin. Heath Herring in his prime was on the level as well in my opinion. Do yourself a favor and go on youtube and watch some of Fedors fights.

I think when you make comments bashing him you really just say things to say them without having any clue as to whether they are true.

[americanbulldog]

Kevin Randleman and Mark Coleman in their primes are more skilled than Shane Carwin. Heath Herring in his prime was on the level as well in my opinion. Do yourself a favor and go on youtube and watch some of Fedors fights.

I think when you make comments bashing him you really just say things to say them without having any clue as to whether they are true.

You're joking, right.  Coleman more skilled than Carwin?  Carwin has way better boxing, actually attempts to pass guard, has much better sub defense, and sub skills.  Randleman is a FREAK athlete, who until he left Hammerhouse, possessed little skills other than his fast, heavy hands and freak like wrestling. 

[George Whorewell]

 

Boxing maybe-- Sub skills maybe--- Passing the guard? Give me a break.

Is Carwin now BJ Penn?

We are talking about HW's here. Carwin has good hands and is a great wrestler, but to suggest anything beyond that is absurd-- especially when trying to handicap whether or not Fedor "has a chance" against Carwin.  

[MindSpin]

Ever see Fedor's first fight with Herring?  He was mauling Herring so bad Heath gave him the sub.  He dominated him way more than Brock did physically. It was the fight that really put Fedor on the map. 

Ever see the fight between Fedor and Matt Linland?  He actually had to cheat in order to beat a middle weight   How about the fight between Babalu & Fedor?  Liddell finished Babalu twice.  Fedor went to decision with him

Both Carwin & Lesner have a real chance of obliterating Fedor.

[WeightPSHR]

Kevin Randleman and Mark Coleman in their primes are more skilled than Shane Carwin. Heath Herring in his prime was on the level as well in my opinion. Do yourself a favor and go on youtube and watch some of Fedors fights.

I think when you make comments bashing him you really just say things to say them without having any clue as to whether they are true.

First of all this is 2010. Coleman and Randleman were never Brocks or Carwins size or had their strengths. I have seen Fedor's fights, but what good are fights that happened 5+ years ago. All I can say is that Fedor had problems manhandling Rodgers, who is a FAT HW.

Tell me why it would matter watching what Fedor HAS done in the past?  What has he done lately is the big question.

[WeightPSHR]

Boxing maybe-- Sub skills maybe--- Passing the guard? Give me a break.

Is Carwin now BJ Penn?

We are talking about HW's here. Carwin has good hands and is a great wrestler, but to suggest anything beyond that is absurd-- especially when trying to handicap whether or not Fedor "has a chance" against Carwin.  

Fedor has NEVER faced anyone with the skills and power of Lesnar or Carwin. He struggled with a fat ass Rodgers who doesn't posses half the skill  or strength of Lesnar or Carwin.

Besides, why are we arguing about this. Fedor will NEVER step up to these big guys.

[AC Slater]

big l dawg laying down some truth in here.

[AC Slater]

i think Fedor fucked the girlfriends / wives of alot of guys in this thread.

the guy hasnt lost a fight in over a decade.  rogers is dangerous as fuck.  he KO'd brock during a sparring session.

What makes Fedor so great is the fact that he has never lost to a 'lesser' fighter.  All of the top guys have had fluke losses to someone not nearly as skilled as they are, but Fedor hasnt.

[MindSpin]

It's easy to go undefeated when most of your wins are over cans...

...lots of guys are undefeated until they go to the UFC.

[big L dawg]

the funny thing is a guy magically becomes a can when they leave the UFC...and there a can before they come to the UFC....

as a matter of fact a guys fight record shouldn't even count unless the fight takes place in the UFC...

[WeightPSHR]

i think Fedor fucked the girlfriends / wives of alot of guys in this thread.

the guy hasnt lost a fight in over a decade.  rogers is dangerous as fuck.  he KO'd brock during a sparring session.

What makes Fedor so great is the fact that he has never lost to a 'lesser' fighter.  All of the top guys have had fluke losses to someone not nearly as skilled as they are, but Fedor hasnt.

Simple MMA math by yours truly ACSlater

What a useless BS post. Damn...I couldn't even make a joke that sounds this blatantly stupid.

[WeightPSHR]

the funny thing is a guy magically becomes a can when they leave the UFC...and there a can before they come to the UFC....

as a matter of fact a guys fight record shouldn't even count unless the fight takes place in the UFC...

Agree 100% You could not be more correct. Most if not all guys that leave the UFC are cut because of poor performance and losses.

I can't remember the last guy besides Hendo that willfully left the UFC. This makes them UFC rejects, otherwise cans in comparison to other MMA fighters.

[big L dawg]

Agree 100% You could not be more correct. Most if not all guys that leave the UFC are cut because of poor performance and losses.

I can't remember the last guy besides Hendo that willfully left the UFC. This makes them UFC rejects, otherwise cans in comparison to other MMA fighters.

Andrei arlovski was on a 3 fight win streak when he left the UFC and was ranked #2-3 in the world by all major rankings when he fought Fedor...that was only 14 months ago...

when werdum lost to Dos Santos(who everyone will lose to)he was coming off wins against gabrial gonzaga and brandon Vera (who are both still in the UFC)and was told if he beat dos Santos he would get a title shot....so he losses one fight to someone that everyone is getting beat by and goes from being ranked number 2 in the UFC to becoming a can or reject...yea makes alot of sense...

Jeff monson was 3-1 in the UFC and had just fought for the title and he asked to be released from the UFC they reluctantly let him go....

Tim Sylvia had won 6 out of eight fights(far from poor performances)and signed with affliction....

josh barnett was 4-1 in the UFC but left as a result of positive steroid test...something the current heavyweight champ has managed to avoid thus far...

these are just a few heavyweights I thought of off the top of my head...they were all ranked in the top 10 when they departed the UFC....It wasn't until Sylvia & arlovski faced Fedor that they fell out of the top ten rankings...monson fell out of the top 10 after a lose to josh barnett...and werdum & barnett are still currently ranked in the top ten....

[WeightPSHR]

Andrei arlovski was on a 3 fight win streak when he left the UFC and was ranked #2-3 in the world by all major rankings when he fought Fedor...that was only 14 months ago...

when werdum lost to Dos Santos(who everyone will lose to)he was coming off wins against gabrial gonzaga and brandon Vera (who are both still in the UFC)and was told if he beat dos Santos he would get a title shot....so he losses one fight to someone that everyone is getting beat by and goes from being ranked number 2 in the UFC to becoming a can or reject...yea makes alot of sense...

Jeff monson was 3-1 in the UFC and had just fought for the title and he asked to be released from the UFC they reluctantly let him go....

Tim Sylvia had won 6 out of eight fights(far from poor performances)and signed with affliction....

josh barnett was 4-1 in the UFC but left as a result of positive steroid test...something the current heavyweight champ has managed to avoid thus far...

these are just a few heavyweights I thought of off the top of my head...they were all ranked in the top 10 when they departed the UFC....It wasn't until Sylvia & arlovski faced Fedor that they fell out of the top ten rankings...monson fell out of the top 10 after a lose to josh barnett...and werdum & barnett are still currently ranked in the top ten....

All these guys left the UFC several years back when the HW division was nothing like it is today. The UFC obviously knew what they were doing when they let these guys go. What have any of them done since they left? They were asking too much money, much like Hendo. Basically, the UFC knew they were cans.

Regardless, I stand with the opinion that Fedor is knowingly staying clear of the UFC to keep his record in tack. Can't say that I blame him.

Shane Carwin will be the new #1 HW soon enough.

[big L dawg]

Shane Carwin will be the new #1 HW soon enough.

well I do agree that he will be a champion but his reign will be short lived as Cain or dos Santos will both put the old man out to pasture...

[WeightPSHR]

well I do agree that he will be a champion but his reign will be short lived as Cain or dos Santos will both put the old man out to pasture...

I agree that someday Cain and or Dos Santos may be champion, but they will have to put on some weight first. Carwin just said in an interview that he weighed about 275-280 on fight day. That is a lean 280...significant difference.

[HDPhysiques]

Fedor has NEVER faced anyone with the skills and power of Lesnar or Carwin. He struggled with a fat ass Rodgers who doesn't posses half the skill  or strength of Lesnar or Carwin.

Besides, why are we arguing about this. Fedor will NEVER step up to these big guys.

Truth to all this.

[HDPhysiques]

as a matter of fact a guys fight record shouldn't even count unless the fight takes place in the UFC...

You got that part right.

[LatsMcGee]

Ever see the fight between Fedor and Matt Linland?  He actually had to cheat in order to beat a middle weight   How about the fight between Babalu & Fedor?  Liddell finished Babalu twice.  Fedor went to decision with him

Both Carwin & Lesner have a real chance of obliterating Fedor.

1.  Matt Lindland crying about anyone cheating is the pot calling the kettle black.  Matt did deserve that Fedor fight,  he kind of got a screwjob "legit"  in his fight with Rampage.

2.  Rings didn't have modern MMA rules,  Remember Randy getting destroyed by Allistar's brother? 

I'm not going to tell you Fedor is the best in the world but give the guy some damn credit.