GSP = Total Domination

[joeB]

How did he not rip his arm off?

[20inch calves]

i don't know. i really thought it was going to snap..kind of hard to watch actually. hardy was very close to tapping a couple of times.

[joeB]

i don't know. i really thought it was going to snap..kind of hard to watch actually. hardy was very close to tapping a couple of times.

you could see hardy screaming in pain..as much as i wanted 2 see him loose hes pretty fucking tuff to not tap

[MindSpin]

Check out the post fight videos on the UFC website.  Right after the fight they show GSP go to his BJJ coach to figure out how/why the subs didn't work.  For the arm bar, the elbow had room to move.  For the kimura, Hardy was able to move his feet/hips in the direction of the crank.  It was poor technique. 

[WeightPSHR]

I have great respect for GSP and think he is on another level, but all he keeps saying is that he wants to be a legend etc....

He was afraid to take risks on Saturday. You would never see BJ or Anderson Silva do something like that. If he is such a legend he should have confidence that his stand-up is better than anyone else's in the world. He needs to show he is more than a good wrestler. What GSP is doing now is great for winning, but he is far from proving himself as a legend. A legend does more than have a wining record.

To be a legend you have to show you can win and dominate in ANY sytle. (GSP is capable) but he never takes any risks.

[coltrane]

I wasn't that impressed with GSP this time around.  Just kinda a boring fight it was. 

Anderson would destroy him easily.

[WeightPSHR]

I wasn't that impressed with GSP this time around.  Just kinda a boring fight it was. 

Anderson would destroy him easily.

I really don't think we will ever see GSP/Silva. Kind of pointless. Silva is just too much bigger. If Silva wins, everyone would say the size advantage is the reason.

I also don't see why the UFC would risk either of these two champions 'legendary status' over a mismatched sized fight.

I would like to see GSP and Penn fight one more time. Penn is a lot closer to GSP's weight anyways.

Besides they need to settle the score.

[George Whorewell]

Completely wrong-- He is not that much bigger. Anderson cuts to 185 and GSP cuts to 170. Anderson actually weighed in at 181 against Thales Lietes. It's basically a 10 pound weight difference between two guys that are almost the same height.

If Anderson wins, it will be because he keeps the fight standing, not because he is bigger. Nobody would think that at all. It's not like GSP would be moving up to HW.

Also, nobody wants to see BJ and GSP again. GSP has beaten him twice-- once soundly. There is no "score" to settle. It's GSP 2, BJ 0.

Finally, for the UFC not to put this fight on would be a travesty. Nobody can touch either of these men in their respective weight classes. They are one weight class apart. Both are going to be UFC hall of famers one day. Both are still in their primes. A close fight would almost guarantee a rematch and outside of a Fedor/ Lesnar main event, there is absolutely no other fight that is more compelling.

[burn2live]

I have great respect for GSP and think he is on another level, but all he keeps saying is that he wants to be a legend etc....

He was afraid to take risks on Saturday. You would never see BJ or Anderson Silva do something like that. If he is such a legend he should have confidence that his stand-up is better than anyone else's in the world. He needs to show he is more than a good wrestler. What GSP is doing now is great for winning, but he is far from proving himself as a legend. A legend does more than have a wining record.

To be a legend you have to show you can win and dominate in ANY sytle. (GSP is capable) but he never takes any risks.

I agree. If GSP really wants to be a legend he needs to finish guys like Hardy. He never should have let that fight go five rounds

[MindSpin]

Think of a guy like Miguel Torrez.  He always took pride in finishing opponents by beating them at their own game.  Easy to do, when you're not fighting the elite of the elite.  Once he started fighting the best, he started having problems finishing fights, and as we recently saw, he got caught and KOd.  He's now changed his tune and says he wants to be less like Wandy and more like Machida.  He wants to win fights by exploiting his opponents weaknesses instead of fighting their strengths. 

GSP is already there.  He learned his lesson with his first Serra fight.  It can all end in a matter of seconds.  So, what is he to do?  Throw caution to the wind and risk getting caught?  Or do what he does best...dominate guys through wrestling and keep on wining? 

[MindSpin]

BTW - it's not GSPs fault that Hardy had NO takedown defense.  If he did, this would have made a much more exciting fight.  I blame Hardy for the boring wrestling match, not GSP. 

[WeightPSHR]

Completely wrong-- He is not that much bigger. Anderson cuts to 185 and GSP cuts to 170. Anderson actually weighed in at 181 against Thales Lietes. It's basically a 10 pound weight difference between two guys that are almost the same height.

If Anderson wins, it will be because he keeps the fight standing, not because he is bigger. Nobody would think that at all. It's not like GSP would be moving up to HW.

Also, nobody wants to see BJ and GSP again. GSP has beaten him twice-- once soundly. There is no "score" to settle. It's GSP 2, BJ 0.

Finally, for the UFC not to put this fight on would be a travesty. Nobody can touch either of these men in their respective weight classes. They are one weight class apart. Both are going to be UFC hall of famers one day. Both are still in their primes. A close fight would almost guarantee a rematch and outside of a Fedor/ Lesnar main event, there is absolutely no other fight that is more compelling.

"Basically" a 10lb difference. Do you know how ignorant you sound?  10lbs of LBM  is a lot....not to mention there is more than a 10lb difference.  Do you realize that Anderson has fought at a lean 205 before? Before cutting weight as well. That is a HUGE difference. GSP barely weighs 185-190 now when he walks into the ring. Why would he fight a guy walking into the ring weighting 220+?

You think Dana of all people would be hyping this fight right??? Read this an educate yourself: http://www.5thround.com/9837/dana-white-i-think-anderson-silva-is-too-big-for-gsp-2/

White: [Silva] too Big for GSP – UFC fans were hoping after Georges St-Pierre’s most recent win over Thiago Alves at UFC 100 meant that a superfight with middleweight champion Anderson Silva just around the corner.

In the past, Dana White had said that as long as St-Pierre cleaned out his division it would “probably” be signed, however, as of late, the brash President seems to have backtracked from those initial statements.

Now, it seems highly unlikely that bout will ever take place.

“I think he’s too big for Georges,” White explained. “Forrest Griffin is huge and at the [UFC 101] weigh-ins, when we squared them off, he was as big as Forrest at 205lbs.”

St-Pierre has admitted that he walks around at 190lbs. while Silva walks around at 220lbs. That means at the time of a potential fight, Silva would be anywhere from 20-30lbs. heavier than the welterweight champ.

[George Whorewell]

You are totally overstating the size difference. If BJ can move up, so can GSP. Also, bringing up the Forrest fight completely ignores the fact that Anderson showed up to the Lietes weigh ins at 180 pounds. Maybe they can fight at a catch weight of 175 or something like that. The bottom line is that there is absolutely no good reason for these two not to fight. There is nobody left at 185 for Silva and nobody left at 170 for GSP. Silva is not going to fight Machida or make a serious run at the 205 belt, so there is no other logical opponent for him besides GSP.

Why you feel BJ Penn moving up to fight GSP a third time is better than a GSP Silva fight is beyond all comprehension.

[WeightPSHR]

BTW - it's not GSPs fault that Hardy had NO takedown defense.  If he did, this would have made a much more exciting fight.  I blame Hardy for the boring wrestling match, not GSP. 

IMO we can blame both for a boring fight, but if GSP wants/is such a legend, he should be able to finish the fight. He immobilized Hardy for 5 rounds, but I would not say that he completely dominated. A dominating performance involves risks and inflicting great damage on your opponent.

A good example of this is the BJ/Diego fight. BJ whooped Diego's ass standing up and on the ground. He was confident wherever he was. Risky yes, but he knew his skills were good enough to take risks. Another example is BJ/Florian fight. BJ had no problems taking the fight to the ground where Florian is his strongest. BJ ultimately submitted Florian. That is a dominating performance to me.

All I am saying is 'playing it safe' makes you a winner, but a legend does more than just win. GSP was unable to finish Fitch, Alves or Hardy.

I like GSP, I just think he lacks the confidence of a legend.

[WeightPSHR]

You are totally overstating the size difference. If BJ can move up, so can GSP. Also, bringing up the Forrest fight completely ignores the fact that Anderson showed up to the Lietes weigh ins at 180 pounds. Maybe they can fight at a catch weight of 175 or something like that. The bottom line is that there is absolutely no good reason for these two not to fight. There is nobody left at 185 for Silva and nobody left at 170 for GSP. Silva is not going to fight Machida or make a serious run at the 205 belt, so there is no other logical opponent for him besides GSP.

Why you feel BJ Penn moving up to fight GSP a third time is better than a GSP Silva fight is beyond all comprehension.

You misunderstood me apparently....I want these two to fight. I just don't think it will ever happen. If it does and GSP loses, I can already hear the excuses.
Besides, BJ has fought at 170 MANY times, and GSP has never fought above 170. Anderson has fought above 185. See the difference?

[George Whorewell]

BTW - it's not GSPs fault that Hardy had NO takedown defense.  If he did, this would have made a much more exciting fight.  I blame Hardy for the boring wrestling match, not GSP. 

MS nailed this right on the head. For anyone that saw the Evans/Silva fight, it's the same exact concept. Evans took Silva down at will and was able to control him for the first two rounds. In round 3, Rashad got away from that and tried to stand and trade with Silva and was almost KO'd. Luckily it was only a three round fight so he pulled off the decision. You do what you need to do in order to win. Anderson Silva and Thales Lietes is another example. Should Anderson have rolled around on the floor and attempted a spectacular submission while risking a loss? A dominating performance doesn't necesserily have to be exciting.

Wanderlei has been knocked out in spectacular fashion just as many times as he has finished people. What does he have to show for it? A face that was broken beyond recognition and probably brain damage.

[WeightPSHR]

MS nailed this right on the head. For anyone that saw the Evans/Silva fight, it's the same exact concept. Evans took Silva down at will and was able to control him for the first two rounds. In round 3, Rashad got away from that and tried to stand and trade with Silva and was almost KO'd. Luckily it was only a three round fight so he pulled off the decision. You do what you need to do in order to win. Anderson Silva and Thales Lietes is another example. Should Anderson have rolled around on the floor and attempted a spectacular submission while risking a loss? A dominating performance doesn't necesserily have to be exciting.

Wanderlei has been knocked out in spectacular fashion just as many times as he has finished people. What does he have to show for it? A face that was broken beyond recognition and probably brain damage.

Bad comparison. Rashad is not competing for and is nowhere near legendary status. Big difference. Rashad just needs a win.

I agree with MS that GSP does what he has to do to win fights in the safest way possible and can't fault GSP for that, but that surely excludes him from being called a dominating legend.

BJ, Hughes, and Fedor (of the past) are the only fighters that come to mind that not only had/have consecutive wins and title defenses, but finished fights and dominated their opponents wherever the fight needed to go. Many times beating their opponents at their own game.

[joeB]

Just because someone doesn't win every fight with a knockout or submission means they are not a legend even though they are still winning?

Silva wins every fight by knockout because thats his strongest area..you rarly see him go to the ground almost as much as you see GSP and his stand up..but both have extremely strong stand up and ground game..but one more then the other and you see each fighter exploit that strength more then the other..everyone knows silvas is his stand up which is why he gets more knock out wins..GSP is his take down and his dominance on the ground..i know im not making any ground breaking news with there strengths but the way i see it is Silva is doing the same thing GSP is and using HIS strength to win fights..you mite as well say in order for silva to be a legend he needs to start winning more matches by submission

GSP is just as much as a legend as silva just different styles of fighting..GSPs may not be the biggest fan favorite but still getting the same results as Silvas stand up..its MIXED martial arts...

[WeightPSHR]

Just because someone doesn't win every fight with a knockout or submission means they are not a legend even though they are still winning?

Silva wins every fight by knockout because thats his strongest area..you rarly see him go to the ground almost as much as you see GSP and his stand up..but both have extremely strong stand up and ground game..but one more then the other and you see each fighter exploit that strength more then the other..everyone knows silvas is his stand up which is why he gets more knock out wins..GSP is his take down and his dominance on the ground..i know im not making any ground breaking news with there strengths but the way i see it is Silva is doing the same thing GSP is and using HIS strength to win fights..you mite as well say in order for silva to be a legend he needs to start winning more matches by submission

GSP is just as much as a legend as silva just different styles of fighting..GSPs may not be the biggest fan favorite but still getting the same results as Silvas stand up..its MIXED martial arts...

IMO BJ is one of the most impressive MMA fighters ever. I will also admit that Fedor is amongst the most impressive fighters ever in the sport as well. The way I see it is GSP and Silva are good, but there are most likely going to be others that come into the sport and are capable of doing the same.

BJ and Fedor are freaks,that do things that you just can't teach.

[MindSpin]

BJ may be good, but he's not as good as GSP

[WeightPSHR]

BJ's is a more exciting finisher fighter

[coltrane]

Koz will beat GSP if given the shot.

[FREAKgeek]

I'd rather see Fedor fight Silva.

[MindSpin]

Koz will beat GSP if given the shot.

He already had the shot and GSP completely dominated him.

[MindSpin]

BJ's is a more exciting finisher fighter

I love watching BJ fight, and lately he has been demolishing his competition.  However, I think GSP has been facing stiffer opponents and although he has had some fights go to decision, he is still one of the most exciting fighters and IMO one of the best pound for pound ever.  I think he can continue to win at 170 for as long as he wants.

BTW, anyone who thinks GSP has no standup should watch this video...