Christian Militia Group was preparing to fight the Anti-Christ

[drkaje]

Except your definition of whackos includes the overwhelming majority of the country.  There is a distinct difference between "us" and "them."   

How is it that Christians impose their beliefs on others? 

Abortion, blue laws, middle east politics, etc...

If there is any difference, their whackos have stronger faith and don't believe dying is a huge deal . They don't have the comforts of America to live for.

[Dos Equis]

Abortion, blue laws, middle east politics, etc...

If there is any difference, their whackos have stronger faith and don't believe dying is a huge deal . They don't have the comforts of America to live for.

Laws are enacted by the voters, so in a sense the fact certain laws are passed supports your belief that certain segments of society "force" their beliefs on others.  But what you're really complaining about is the democratic process. 

Regarding abortion, people who are pro life aren't all necessarily Christians, or pro life because of their Christianity.  I don't really see abortion as Christians trying to impose Christian views on others.  There are a sizeable number of pro life legislators from both parties.     

Blue laws were passed by a number of legislatures and serve a secular purpose (or least that's what I've read).  Still, it's the political process that is responsible for this.     

[drkaje]

Laws are enacted by the voters, so in a sense the fact certain laws are passed supports your belief that certain segments of society "force" their beliefs on others.  But what you're really complaining about is the democratic process. 

Regarding abortion, people who are pro life aren't all necessarily Christians, or pro life because of their Christianity.  I don't really see abortion as Christians trying to impose Christian views on others.  There are a sizeable number of pro life legislators from both parties.     

Blue laws were passed by a number of legislatures and serve a secular purpose (or least that's what I've read).  Still, it's the political process that is responsible for this.     

Fundies believe want us to follow what they think are God's laws.

[Hugo Chavez]

So I guess it turns out there was an undercover agent in the group.  Would be interesting to know if he encouraged the plot and to what degree.

[Deicide]

So I guess it turns out there was an undercover agent in the group.  Would be interesting to know if he encouraged the plot and to what degree.

Have you ever considered the possibility that you, Hugo, might be the Antichrist?

[Soul Crusher]

Abortion, blue laws, middle east politics, etc...

If there is any difference, their whackos have stronger faith and don't believe dying is a huge deal . They don't have the comforts of America to live for.

Blue Laws suck!  I was in connecticut once and tried to get beer on a sunday and the damn beer isles were covered with drapes.  They dont seel beer on sundays and I was too far from NY border.  That sunday sucked!

[Hugo Chavez]

Have you ever considered the possibility that you, Hugo, might be the Antichrist?

[SAMSON123]

HAHAAHAHA

[Straw Man]

Raptured, LOL!

Sometimes I forget you can be funny.

It is ironic... I wrote fundamentalism but Beach automatically included all Christians.

Like there's a difference.  lol.  Anyone with sincerely held religious beliefs, and who has strong adherence to those beliefs is a "fundamentalist."  That's most of your country.  You're surrounded.  lol . . . .

you know what he's talking about

don't you Bum ?

[240 is Back]

obama is racking militia heads, just as clinton did.

In 3 weeks, bring all your guns to DC and show them off to the tv cameras.  Then, act realllly surprised when he goes after gun rights too.

Stupid people.

[kcballer]

Thanks.  That's most of the United States.  Christianity teaches that the Bible is literally the word of God.     

No it doesn't.  Your Christianity teaches that.  I've been in churches where they have flat out said this stuff is less about truth and fact and more about the meaning of the story being told.  When you have idiots who believe it is literal and not a tool written by man as an interpretation of the word of God you have problems in this country.  People are free to believe what they wish, when those beliefs interfere with others lives like hatred of homosexuals or other religions then it's an issue that needs to be addressed for the greater good of ALL people, not just those with 'Christian' beliefs.   

[Deicide]

No it doesn't.  Your Christianity teaches that.  I've been in churches where they have flat out said this stuff is less about truth and fact and more about the meaning of the story being told.  When you have idiots who believe it is literal and not a tool written by man as an interpretation of the word of God you have problems in this country.  People are free to believe what they wish, when those beliefs interfere with others lives like hatred of homosexuals or other religions then it's an issue that needs to be addressed for the greater good of ALL people, not just those with 'Christian' beliefs.   

You are sinner in the eyes of Jesus Christ and will burn in hell for your evil words here; repent!

[loco]

Religious fundamentalism is modern society's largest threat.

Are you sure about that?  It's going to take a heck of a whole lot for religious fundamentalism to get even close to catching up to these modern society atheists:


Mao Zedong (1958 - 1960):  43,000,000 Murdered
- Peng Xizhe (彭希哲), "Demographic Consequences of the Great Leap Forward in China's Provinces," Population and Development Review 13, no. 4 (1987), 639-70.

Stalin (1937 -1938): 1,200,000 Murdered
- Soviet Repression Statistics: Some Comments by Historian Michael Ellman, 2002

Pol Pot (1975 -1979): 1,700,000 Murdered
- Sophal Ear (May 1995). The Khmer Rouge Canon 1975-1979: The Standard Total Academic View on Cambodia. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.In Chapter 1: Introduction
- The Cambodian Genocide Program. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.

[Deicide]

Are you sure about that?  It's going to take a heck of a whole lot for religious fundamentalism to get even close to catching up to these modern society atheists:


Mao Zedong (1958 - 1960):  43,000,000 Murdered
- Peng Xizhe (彭希哲), "Demographic Consequences of the Great Leap Forward in China's Provinces," Population and Development Review 13, no. 4 (1987), 639-70.

Stalin (1937 -1938): 1,200,000 Murdered
- Soviet Repression Statistics: Some Comments by Historian Michael Ellman, 2002

Pol Pot (1975 -1979): 1,700,000 Murdered
- Sophal Ear (May 1995). The Khmer Rouge Canon 1975-1979: The Standard Total Academic View on Cambodia. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.In Chapter 1: Introduction
- The Cambodian Genocide Program. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.

Man, this argument is as old as it is lame. These systems had more in common with fundamentalist religion than any modern secular state; observe unquestioning adherence to dogma, belief without evidence, deified leaders, etc. What unites religious fundamentalism is not the belief in the supernatuarl but the belief and acceptance in things without evidence.

[Soul Crusher]

Man, this argument is as old as it is lame. These systems had more in common with fundamentalist religion than any modern secular state; observe unquestioning adherence to dogma, belief without evidence, deified leaders, etc. What unites religious fundamentalism is not the belief in the supernatuarl but the belief and acceptance in things without evidence.

Sort of like the belief that Uncle Joe or Mao was going to make everything great, just 5 years down the road once the newest 5 year plan was implemented?

[Deicide]

Sort of like the belief that Uncle Joe or Mao was going to make everything great, just 5 years down the road once the newest 5 year plan was implemented?

Exactly. Sure, they are secular but they have 'saviour figures' just like Christianity and all you need to do is belief in them and all will be well...sounds familiar.

[Straw Man]

Man, this argument is as old as it is lame. These systems had more in common with fundamentalist religion than any modern secular state; observe unquestioning adherence to dogma, belief without evidence, deified leaders, etc. What unites religious fundamentalism is not the belief in the supernatuarl but the belief and acceptance in things without evidence.

yep, Loco and others have made that same false argument many times on this site

All those dictators wiped any any institution or person that they saw as a threat to their power

It had nothing to do with atheism/agnosticims and everything to do with trying to retain power and trying to eliminate and sources of influence that could effect their control over the masses

[dario73]

Man, this argument is as old as it is lame. These systems had more in common with fundamentalist religion than any modern secular state; observe unquestioning adherence to dogma, belief without evidence, deified leaders, etc. What unites religious fundamentalism is not the belief in the supernatuarl but the belief and acceptance in things without evidence.

Do you believe in the Big Bang Theory and that man evolved from the same ancestor as that of apes?

[Soul Crusher]

yep, Loco and others have made that same false argument many times on this site

All those dictators wiped any any institution or person that they saw as a threat to their power

It had nothing to do with atheism/agnosticims and everything to do with trying to retain power and trying to eliminate and sources of influence that could effect their control over the masses

That was because people yearn to be free and not under the jack boot of communism, socialism or forced redistribution and will never voluntarily go along with these crazy schemes.    

[Deicide]

Do you believe in the Big Bang Theory and that man evolved from the same ancestor as that of apes?

My understanding of evolution is far better than that of my understanding of theoretical physics but the vast evidence we have on hand points to the truth of both.

[dario73]

yep, Loco and others have made that same false argument many times on this site

All those dictators wiped any any institution or person that they saw as a threat to their power

It had nothing to do with atheism/agnosticims and everything to do with trying to retain power and trying to eliminate and sources of influence that could effect their control over the masses

So Mao and all those other leaders believed in God?

Isn't the destruction and elimination of any religious entity, belief, symbol, etc...the goal of atheists?  They were every bit an atheist as you are.

[Deicide]

So Mao and all those other leaders believed in God?

Isn't the destruction and elimination of any religious entity, belief, symbol, etc...the goal of atheists?  They were every bit an atheist as you are.

  No, atheism by its very definition is simply an absence of belief in a supernatural deity.

He was not saying they believed in god though perhaps they believed in themselves as gods. There is no goal of atheism.

[loco]

yep, Loco and others have made that same false argument many times on this site

All those dictators wiped any any institution or person that they saw as a threat to their power

It had nothing to do with atheism/agnosticims and everything to do with trying to retain power and trying to eliminate and sources of influence that could effect their control over the masses

The absence of religious fundamentalism did not prevent 45,900,000 innocent people from being murdered by these atheists.  It will take a heck of a whole lot for religious fundamentalism to get even close to catching up to these atheists.  That is the point, and it stands no matter what you and Deicide say.

[dario73]

My understanding of evolution is far better than that of my understanding of theoretical physics but the vast evidence we have on hand points to the truth of both.

Really? Where is the proof that matter came out of nothing? Has it been shown or replicated in any lab?

Did you find that magical missing link? I am just asking because no other scientist in the world has. Maybe you know something the rest of the universe doesn't.

[dario73]

No, atheism by its very definition is simply an absence of belief in a supernatural deity.

He was not saying they believed in god though perhaps they believed in themselves as gods. There is no goal of atheism.

Really? So why do atheists feel it's their right to change everything in society to reflect their views. Iowa trying to change Easter to Spring Holiday. It's no longer Christmas, it's Season Holidays.

I don't mind seperation of church and state, but atheists have been very active in removing any indication or semblance of religious beliefs. If there are no goals of atheism, then why not let others believe what they want to believe?