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Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« on: March 29, 2010, 08:53:01 PM »
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Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
Monday, 29 Mar 2010     

CNN continued its huge plunge in ratings for its prime-time programs in the first quarter of 2010 even as Fox News had its best period ever, The New York Times reported Monday night.

In fact, the trend in news ratings for the first three months of this year was only up for Fox, while MSNBC continued its huge plunge, too.

The data backs up the comments of Fox News host Bill O’Reilly, who told Newsmax.TV in an exclusive interview that CNN is stuck to an old model while MSNBC has hired unpopular “guttersnipes” as hosts who drive viewers away in drives.

Editor's Note: See the exclusive Newsmax interview with Bill O'Reilly in its entirety here.

“CNN basically stayed where they were 10 years ago, they didn’t change with the times,” said O’Reilly, host of "The O’Reilly Factor."

“We live in a very intense country right now, a very difficult time. CNN doesn’t reflect that urgency.”

CNN merely reports the news, O’Reilly points out. They do it well, as evidenced by their Haiti coverage.

But Americans already know the news from the Internet and other sources.

“They want analysis and perspective from a cable network,” O’Reilly explained. “CNN doesn’t give you that.”

As for MSNBC, “They made the key mistake of hiring bad people. It’s as simple as that,” O’Reilly said.

How are they bad? “They have a bunch of guttersnipes on their network, that even if you’re a liberal, which is what they sell, you don’t like these people,” he said.

CNN had a slightly worse quarter in the fourth quarter of 2009, but the last three months have included compelling news events, like the earthquake in Haiti and the battle over health care, and CNN, which emphasizes its hard news coverage, was apparently unable to benefit, the Times reported.

The losses at CNN continued a pattern in place for much of the last year, as the network trailed its competitors in every prime-time hour. (CNN still easily beats MSNBC in the daytime hours, but those are less lucrative in advertising money, and both networks are far behind Fox News at all hours.)

Read the full New York Times story here

http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/cnn-fox-msnbc-ratings/2010/03/29/id/354175

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CNN Fails to Stop Fall in Ratings
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2010, 09:17:25 AM »
CNN continued what has become a precipitous decline in ratings for its prime-time programs in the first quarter of 2010, with its main hosts losing almost half their viewers in a year.

The trend in news ratings for the first three months of this year is all up for one network, the Fox News Channel, which enjoyed its best quarter ever in ratings, and down for both MSNBC and CNN.

CNN had a slightly worse quarter in the fourth quarter of 2009, but the last three months have included compelling news events, like the earthquake in Haiti and the battle over health care, and CNN, which emphasizes its hard news coverage, was apparently unable to benefit.

The losses at CNN continued a pattern in place for much of the last year, as the network trailed its competitors in every prime-time hour. (CNN still easily beats MSNBC in the daytime hours, but those are less lucrative in advertising money, and both networks are far behind Fox News at all hours.)

About the only break from the bad news for CNN was that March was not as bad as February, when the network had its worst single month in its recent history, finishing behind not only Fox News and MSNBC, but also its sister network HLN — and even CNBC, which had Olympics programming that month.

CNN executives have steadfastly said that they will not change their approach to prime-time programs, which are led by hosts not aligned with any partisan point of view.

But the numbers are stark: For the network’s longest-running host, Larry King, who has always been regarded at CNN as the centerpiece of prime time because he drew the biggest audiences at 9 p.m., the quarter was his worst ever.

Mr. King’s audience dropped 43 percent for the quarter and 52 percent in March. He dropped to 771,000 viewers for the quarter from 1.34 million in 2009. More alarming perhaps, Mr. King, whose show has been regularly eclipsed by Rachel Maddow’s on MSNBC (and is almost quadrupled by Sean Hannity’s show on Fox), is now threatened by a new host, Joy Behar on HLN (formerly Headline News.)

In her first full quarter competing with Mr. King at 9 p.m. Ms. Behar wound up beating him in the ratings 21 times.

CNN has given no indication that any changes in its lineup are imminent, but recently announced that it would try a series of specials in a talk-show format at 11 p.m. with its current 10 p.m. host, Anderson Cooper. The specials are interpreted by some at the network as a trial run for a new 9 p.m. show with Mr. Cooper.

Mr. Cooper has long been regarded as the strongest host at CNN, but his show has suffered badly as well. For the quarter, Mr. Cooper dropped 42 percent in viewers and 46 percent among the 25-to-54-year-old audience that the news channels use for their sales to advertisers.

In the past, CNN relied on big audiences for Mr. King’s show to deliver viewers to Mr. Cooper. Now Mr. Cooper sometimes finds himself losing to repeats of shows on MSNBC and HLN. (At the other end of prime time, Campbell Brown’s show on CNN at 8 had its worst quarter ever with the 25-to-54-year-old audience.)

Even in the morning, CNN is sliding. Its “American Morning” show dropped behind “Morning Joe” on MSNBC in total viewers for the first time; it still beat the MSNBC show among 25- to 54-year-olds, though it was down 29 percent from a year earlier.

At the same time, Fox News, which had its biggest year in 2009, continues to add viewers. Greta Van Susteren’s show was up 25 percent from a year earlier. Bill O’Reilly, whose show commands the biggest audience in prime time with 3.65 million viewers, was up 28 percent, and Glenn Beck was up 50 percent from a year earlier.


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How are the left wing news networks doing against FOX
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2010, 09:17:35 AM »

 

 
       

CNN RATINGS FALL

 CNN continued what has become a precipitous decline in ratings for its prime-time programs in the first quarter of 2010, with its main hosts losing almost half their viewers in a year.

 


 
The trend in news ratings for the first three months of this year is all up for one network, the Fox News Channel, which enjoyed its best quarter ever in ratings, and down for both MSNBC and CNN.

CNN had a slightly worse quarter in the fourth quarter of 2009, but the last three months have included compelling news events, like the earthquake in Haiti and the battle over health care, and CNN, which emphasizes its hard news coverage, was apparently unable to benefit.

The losses at CNN continued a pattern in place for much of the last year, as the network trailed its competitors in every prime-time hour. (CNN still easily beats MSNBC in the daytime hours, but those are less lucrative in advertising money, and both networks are far behind Fox News at all hours.)

About the only break from the bad news for CNN was that March was not as bad as February, when the network had its worst single month in its recent history, finishing behind not only Fox News and MSNBC, but also its sister network HLN — and even CNBC, which had Olympics programming that month.

CNN executives have steadfastly said that they will not change their approach to prime-time programs, which are led by hosts not aligned with any partisan point of view.

But the numbers are stark: For the network’s longest-running host, Larry King, who has always been regarded at CNN as the centerpiece of prime time because he drew the biggest audiences at 9 p.m., the quarter was his worst ever.

Mr. King’s audience dropped 43 percent for the quarter and 52 percent in March. He dropped to 771,000 viewers for the quarter from 1.34 million in 2009. More alarming perhaps, Mr. King, whose show has been regularly eclipsed by Rachel Maddow’s on MSNBC (and is almost quadrupled by Sean Hannity’s show on Fox), is now threatened by a new host, Joy Behar on HLN (formerly Headline News.)

In her first full quarter competing with Mr. King at 9 p.m. Ms. Behar wound up beating him in the ratings 21 times.

CNN has given no indication that any changes in its lineup are imminent, but recently announced that it would try a series of specials in a talk-show format at 11 p.m. with its current 10 p.m. host, Anderson Cooper. The specials are interpreted by some at the network as a trial run for a new 9 p.m. show with Mr. Cooper.

Mr. Cooper has long been regarded as the strongest host at CNN, but his show has suffered badly as well. For the quarter, Mr. Cooper dropped 42 percent in viewers and 46 percent among the 25-to-54-year-old audience that the news channels use for their sales to advertisers.

In the past, CNN relied on big audiences for Mr. King’s show to deliver viewers to Mr. Cooper. Now Mr. Cooper sometimes finds himself losing to repeats of shows on MSNBC and HLN. (At the other end of prime time, Campbell Brown’s show on CNN at 8 had its worst quarter ever with the 25-to-54-year-old audience.)

Even in the morning, CNN is sliding. Its “American Morning” show dropped behind “Morning Joe” on MSNBC in total viewers for the first time; it still beat the MSNBC show among 25- to 54-year-olds, though it was down 29 percent from a year earlier.

At the same time, Fox News, which had its biggest year in 2009, continues to add viewers. Greta Van Susteren’s show was up 25 percent from a year earlier. Bill O’Reilly, whose show commands the biggest audience in prime time with 3.65 million viewers, was up 28 percent, and Glenn Beck was up 50 percent from a year earlier.

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hA,HA HA HA,take a look at the last paragraph.Beck up 50% despite the grave predictions from Get Big libs that will be off the air.MSNBC and CNN,as the entire left wing media are failures!!!Air America,THE NEW YORK TIMES they are all failing by record numbers,yet FOX thrives.

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Re: How are the left wing news networks doing against FOX
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2010, 09:33:22 AM »
Most people who care about news get their hard info from the web and listen to cable or radio for analysis and entertainment.  Fox is very entertaining since they have a debate with many people. 

MSNBC is just unwatchable on any level.  CNN is just boring as hell. 

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Re: CNN Fails to Stop Fall in Ratings
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2010, 09:34:32 AM »
Greta has a very good show.  She doesnt have the hysterics or bs that BOR or Hannity does.   

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Re: CNN Fails to Stop Fall in Ratings
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2010, 10:30:29 AM »

CNN executives have steadfastly said that they will not change their approach to prime-time programs, which are led by hosts not aligned with any partisan point of view.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/business/media/30cnn.html?scp=2&sq=larry%20king&st=cse



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Re: CNN Fails to Stop Fall in Ratings
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2010, 12:20:36 PM »
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Even funnier is that a commercial on MSNBC has that dope Maddow saying "Im not an idealogue"ha,ha are you kidding me?She says "Im not an activist".This is part of the reason they cant get ratings.They are liars.Hannity says "Im conservative" Beck says "Im conservative" Rush says "Im conservative".Maddow says "Im not an idealogue".How can you take ANYTHING they say seriously after that?They have to lie about what they are.

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2010, 12:57:57 PM »
Even funnier is that a commercial on MSNBC has that dope Maddow saying "Im not an idealogue"ha,ha are you kidding me?She says "Im not an activist".This is part of the reason they cant get ratings.They are liars.Hannity says "Im conservative" Beck says "Im conservative" Rush says "Im conservative".Maddow says "Im not an idealogue".How can you take ANYTHING they say seriously after that?They have to lie about what they are.

QFT...you come with the quotes Billy I'll give you that.   ;D

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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2010, 09:45:23 PM »
What does this tell us?

Repubs stay home and watch the news, while Dems go out and pound the pavement to get people elected to enact the legislation they desire (no matter how you feel about the legislation).

Dems own the white house and congress and just passed Stim bill and healthcare.  And instead of getting off the couch and knocking on doors for the fall GOP contenders, repubs are bragging about how much couch time they spend with their TV watching tv pundits bitch about the libs.

Shocking.  It really is.  Proof is in the pudding.  Repubs sit home and brag about how awesome their recipe is, while the Dems are making their crap sandwiches and feeding them to america.  Gop, get off your asses and get some candidates elected before you brag about how awesome your network is.  here's a hint... FOX spent 6 straight months campaigning against that healthcare bill, and Obama still passed it.  Maybe that formula needs a little tweaking, huh?

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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2010, 09:48:54 PM »
I could have told you this would happen when Obama won the election.  Kind of a no brainer.  I'm sure people like Rush were happy as shit that Obama won. 

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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2010, 02:40:59 AM »
What does this tell us?

Repubs stay home and watch the news, while Dems go out and pound the pavement to get people elected to enact the legislation they desire (no matter how you feel about the legislation).

Dems own the white house and congress and just passed Stim bill and healthcare.  And instead of getting off the couch and knocking on doors for the fall GOP contenders, repubs are bragging about how much couch time they spend with their TV watching tv pundits bitch about the libs.

Shocking.  It really is.  Proof is in the pudding.  Repubs sit home and brag about how awesome their recipe is, while the Dems are making their crap sandwiches and feeding them to america.  Gop, get off your asses and get some candidates elected before you brag about how awesome your network is.  here's a hint... FOX spent 6 straight months campaigning against that healthcare bill, and Obama still passed it.  Maybe that formula needs a little tweaking, huh?


This is your steller analyisis. The vast majority of people now identify as independent.  The vast majority of major elections since the Presidential election have been won by Repubs. The dems are in trouble in November and the Obama bounce is dropping again. Astute political thinking 240.
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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2010, 06:17:53 AM »
What does this tell us?

Repubs stay home and watch the news, while Dems go out and pound the pavement to get people elected to enact the legislation they desire (no matter how you feel about the legislation).

Dems own the white house and congress and just passed Stim bill and healthcare.  And instead of getting off the couch and knocking on doors for the fall GOP contenders, repubs are bragging about how much couch time they spend with their TV watching tv pundits bitch about the libs.

Shocking.  It really is.  Proof is in the pudding.  Repubs sit home and brag about how awesome their recipe is, while the Dems are making their crap sandwiches and feeding them to america.  Gop, get off your asses and get some candidates elected before you brag about how awesome your network is.  here's a hint... FOX spent 6 straight months campaigning against that healthcare bill, and Obama still passed it.  Maybe that formula needs a little tweaking, huh?

You really are a fucking moron.Republicans have just worked 8-10 hour shifts,gone to their kids ballgame and finally get a chance to sit down and relax before going to bed to do it all again so they can pay for Obamas supporters.Meanwhile ,Obamas supporters just got out of bed at 3pm and noware headed down to the corner to drink a 40 and try to bang a white bitch.

You should thank god that republicans continue to do what they do,or the country will be in such an economin freefall that there will be riots on every street corner.

By the way,how is it that shows like American Idol and dancing with the stars get ratings?I doubt the majority of viewrs are republican.

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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2010, 08:27:47 AM »
What does this tell us?

Repubs stay home and watch the news, while Dems go out and pound the pavement to get people elected to enact the legislation they desire (no matter how you feel about the legislation).

Dems own the white house and congress and just passed Stim bill and healthcare.  And instead of getting off the couch and knocking on doors for the fall GOP contenders, repubs are bragging about how much couch time they spend with their TV watching tv pundits bitch about the libs.

Shocking.  It really is.  Proof is in the pudding.  Repubs sit home and brag about how awesome their recipe is, while the Dems are making their crap sandwiches and feeding them to america.  Gop, get off your asses and get some candidates elected before you brag about how awesome your network is.  here's a hint... FOX spent 6 straight months campaigning against that healthcare bill, and Obama still passed it.  Maybe that formula needs a little tweaking, huh?

PLEASE!!!

Fox was killing MSNBC and FOX, during the 2000s, when Bush was President and the GOP had the House and Senate. Did that mean the GOP was better at pounding the pavement and getting people elected and enacting legislation?

We know how Obama passed this garbage, and no news network could have stopped him. Do you really think Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity could have circumvented the bribery (especially of the most recent sellout, Bart Stupak)? All they can do is get the information to the American people and let them make the call from there.

As far as beating the pavement goes, that's EXACTLY what's happening with this Tea Party movement and the Town Hall meetings last year. People are making their voices heard.

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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2010, 08:52:53 AM »
What does this tell us?

Repubs stay home and watch the news, while Dems go out and pound the pavement to get people elected to enact the legislation they desire (no matter how you feel about the legislation).

Dems own the white house and congress and just passed Stim bill and healthcare.  And instead of getting off the couch and knocking on doors for the fall GOP contenders, repubs are bragging about how much couch time they spend with their TV watching tv pundits bitch about the libs.

Shocking.  It really is.  Proof is in the pudding.  Repubs sit home and brag about how awesome their recipe is, while the Dems are making their crap sandwiches and feeding them to america.  Gop, get off your asses and get some candidates elected before you brag about how awesome your network is.  here's a hint... FOX spent 6 straight months campaigning against that healthcare bill, and Obama still passed it.  Maybe that formula needs a little tweaking, huh?

If this is the case, then well, a Republican would never have won a presidential election.

The Dems are pounding something alright, but is not pavement. They are doing the exact same thing that you do when you see Obama on TV. Pounding your mini me with your right hand.

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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2010, 12:08:12 PM »
lol.  Nothing more I can add to this.  :)

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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2010, 02:02:59 PM »
"You really are a fucking moron."


the fact that a fuccking mod read this shit and let it ride.... jeez.

Fuckit.  Enjoy your circle jerk here fellas.

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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2010, 02:09:19 PM »
"You really are a fucking moron."


the fact that a fuccking mod read this shit and let it ride.... jeez.

Fuckit.  Enjoy your circle jerk here fellas.

Ummm,that was a goof because you kept asking "where is the  your a moron"it was meant as a joke,it wasnt serious.What happened to you,bad day?

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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2010, 02:10:35 PM »
Ummm,that was a goof because you kept asking "where is the  your a moron"it was meant as a joke,it wasnt serious.What happened to you,bad day?

240 needs to realize that when he posts utter bs people are going to call him out on it. 

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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2010, 02:12:25 PM »
240 needs to realize that when he posts utter bs people are going to call him out on it. 

My post was meant as a goof towards him almost begging to be insulted in the posts.It wasnt meant to hurt his feelings or insult him.Well,it was meant to insult him,but as a goof on his posts.

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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2010, 02:20:45 PM »
no, i like to argue, but it sucks to debate topics when I have to read "your a moron" 100 times a day from people who disagree with me on topics.  

Top it off with the moderator agreeing with it... well....

fuck it.  enjoy the place.  but I dont enjoy it like this.  3 or 4 years ago, this place was civil and there wasn't name calling.  I argued with beach bum a lot back then, but 99.9% of the time, there wasn't name calling.  

Now, it's like I'm getting 'called out' nonstop in every damn thread, and it makes it really annoying and boring to read.  So, hey, carry on.  if the mods are cool with it, then that must be how the place is now.  so be it.



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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2010, 02:22:16 PM »
no, i like to argue, but it sucks to debate topics when I have to read "your a moron" 100 times a day from people who disagree with me on topics. 

Top it off with the moderator agreeing with it... well....

fuck it.  enjoy the place.  but I dont enjoy it like this.  3 or 4 years ago, this place was civil and there wasn't name calling.  I argued with beach bum a lot back then, but 99.9% of the time, there wasn't name calling. 

Now, it's like I'm getting 'called out' nonstop in every damn thread, and it makes it really annoying and boring to read.  So, hey, carry on.  if the mods are cool with it, then that must be how the place is now.  so be it.

I guess some of us dont know which 240 is posting at times. 

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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2010, 02:55:56 PM »
Oh brother.   ::)  Man up 240.  I was not agreeing with anyone calling you a moron.  I didn't have anything to add to the folks who addressed the merits of your explanation for why Fox News continues to hammer CNN and MSNBC in the ratings.

I do not believe ad hominem arguments are effective at all.   

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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2010, 02:57:59 PM »
Oh brother.   ::)  Man up 240.  I was not agreeing with anyone calling you a moron.  I didn't have anything to add to the folks who addressed the merits of your explanation for why Fox News continues to hammer CNN and MSNBC in the ratings.

I do not believe ad hominem arguments are effective at all.   

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Re: Fox News' Ratings Grow; CNN, MSNBC Plunge
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2010, 06:55:06 PM »
I guess some of us dont know which 240 is posting at times. 
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try being consistant 240 and I bet it stops happening  ;)

Ive said it before and Ill say it again you bring this shit upon yourself with your antics...dont play dumb and then get upset when you get called out on it  ::)

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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2010, 06:44:00 AM »
no, i like to argue, but it sucks to debate topics when I have to read "your a moron" 100 times a day from people who disagree with me on topics.  

Top it off with the moderator agreeing with it... well....

fuck it.  enjoy the place.  but I dont enjoy it like this.  3 or 4 years ago, this place was civil and there wasn't name calling.  I argued with beach bum a lot back then, but 99.9% of the time, there wasn't name calling.  

Now, it's like I'm getting 'called out' nonstop in every damn thread, and it makes it really annoying and boring to read.  So, hey, carry on.  if the mods are cool with it, then that must be how the place is now.  so be it.



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Your called out because you say things purposely to get a rise.Then,when you get a rise,you pretend your innocent.In one post your saying your a libertarian and conservative but in every thread you post on you defend things that are the opposite of that.How would you not expect to be called out?