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Re: THIS machine I would buy
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2010, 01:48:14 PM »
Both of my legs are the same size.  What kind of crack are you smoking

my apologies Vince, i didn't measure them, so that was an assumption.  i meant legs that look different sizes like in the pic that Vince posted.

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« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2010, 01:59:50 PM »
My quads aren't like Platz but they're just fine  ::)
Let any one poke fun at you.....But the truth is ,you know your sh!t... And your physique is looking better Mr.Goodrum.. No homo..

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« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2010, 02:02:21 PM »
Let any one poke fun at you.....But the truth is ,you know your sh!t... And your physique is looking better Mr.Goodrum.. No homo..
as much as any one would hate to admit this , goodrum is starting to look like he actually works out

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« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2010, 02:02:52 PM »
i never do any one hand or one leg exercise!!..
Maybe if you started,you wouldn't look like sh!t?

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« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2010, 02:21:25 PM »
i never do any one hand or one leg exercise!!..

Why?

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« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2010, 02:25:59 PM »
i never do any one hand or one leg exercise!!..
Does your wife also wipe your ass? Good for you

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« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2010, 02:31:04 PM »
my apologies Vince, i didn't measure them, so that was an assumption.  i meant legs that look different sizes like in the pic that Vince posted.

Its no big deal.  If you said that about my arms, I would agree with you as my left arm is slightly bigger than my right but its because I'm left handed.  When it comes to arms, both are not going to be the same size unless you don't know how to read and write.... ;D
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« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2010, 02:36:41 PM »
You still don't seem to get it.  You could have the best shit possible but it is YOU no one like or respects. You buy the cheapest equipment you can find.  You have admitted it.  You are always trying to cut corners and in the end it fucks you up.  You are an ignorant burnt match.  Quit preaching to people who know more than you.

Items like power racks and bench press don't have to be brand new.  Since there's no real moving parts on either piece of equipment, being a used one for the most part is more economical.

However, when I do open my studio everything will be brand new other than the Forza Super Bench
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« Reply #58 on: March 30, 2010, 02:41:45 PM »
Why don't you take the time to go back and read what I said.   ::)

What I said, Joe, is that its better to train legs with both legs for even quadricep development.

When you're training an older person are you more concerned with development as in size or development as in function?

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« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2010, 02:47:08 PM »
I'd love to see a Vince Goodrum Q&A thread! 
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« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2010, 02:48:52 PM »
So if I put a bunch of tractor tires, dumbbells that go up to 250 pounds, 4 Squat Racks, and a Forza Rack in my facility....I'm going to get a bunch of 60+ senior citizens and some housewives???  ::)


The first thing a prospect looks at is the equipment because that's what they see when they walk into a facility.  They look at the equipment, pictures on the wall, how clean the facility is, what amenities it has, etc.  Your facility will determine your clientele much more than the trainer itself.  Serious Powerlifters expect to see Forza Racks and competition bench presses while senior citizens and housewives want shiny expensive equipment with a weight stack.  

So give me a break, Joe, that's just common sense

Spot on. Also agree with you about the machine in the first post - most people would have different ROM and strength in each of their legs and will probably only increase the imbalance with time. I prefer doing leg presses on the standard machine, on which you can also do a unilateral movement if you want.

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« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2010, 02:58:58 PM »
I love belt belt squats. Just a real nice movement, nice to get the bar off your shoulders sometimes and it transfers over to all types of power sports. Even the old dip belt style works well, if you have time to rig it up with different height boxes, etc....

This machine looks interesting-

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« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2010, 03:07:18 PM »
Why?

because i am sure no one can ever train his right side THEN his left side or vise versa and give each side the exact same thing.. to be sure you train them exactly the same it's better to train them at the same time!!.. no one is perfectly accurate to do the exact same form for each side and to leave the exact same time between each reps in every set!!.. also i dont like to count reps while doing a set, i just go to failure..

i know this sounds stupid and a lot will see i am exaggerating but i really have a phobia against all one side exercises!!..

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« Reply #63 on: March 30, 2010, 03:09:05 PM »
Does your wife also wipe your ass? Good for you

no this is your mother's task and she does it with her tongue ;D

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« Reply #64 on: March 30, 2010, 03:18:13 PM »
If your going to correct leg/hip imbalances the last thing you want is a machine. Machines are good for two things, isolation and peak contraction. In the real world there is never a time that you would use "isolation", isolation is not function so why attempt to correct a problem with a machine? Function in the real world is multi-joint and recruits other motor units to help move that particular function. Multi-joint unilateral movements should be included in EVERY program from bodybuilding to the elderly to the elite athlete, if not, you can expect a whole host of problems should an injury happend to one particular side moving up the kenetic chain.....in other words, you maybe fucked!

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« Reply #65 on: March 30, 2010, 03:39:35 PM »
When you're training an older person are you more concerned with development as in size or development as in function?

The majority of my training is functional.  I rarely use equipment with clients and mainly use toning bands, medicine balls, and aerobic steps.  This year I'll also be using TRX straps, Lerbert Bars and Straps.  A lot of people think that toning bands are shitty but 10 minutes with me and I'll have them lying flat on the ground.      

The only time I'll use any equipment is with a strength athlete and I'll then use a Cage Rack, Dumbbells Barbells, and Cable Equipment.  I don't use any Smith Machines or other machines because its too restrictive and doesn't build muscle as well.  Of course I still use toning bands and medicine balls with those athletes to build core conditioning. 



When I do open up my facility, its only going to have maybe 3000-4000 dollars worth of equipment in there at most. 
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Re: THIS machine I would buy
« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2010, 03:40:47 PM »
Vince , do you have a skin condition on your chest?


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« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2010, 03:43:32 PM »
Vince , do you have a skin condition on your chest?



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« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2010, 05:51:36 PM »
Resident equipment guru Vince G CSN MFT has spoken. Like Keith says, Goodrum is full of crap. Listen to this guy talk about training and equipment. It is all sour grapes because he uses bands and other nonsense instead of good gym equipment. Guys like him are what the industry should be ashamed of. They have no proper qualifications and have very little experience in gyms. This self-styled personal trainer is a charlatan who shouldn't be advising anyone else about exercise. Thank goodness he doesn't have the funds to open his own facility. What a dreamer. $4000 is all he is going to spend on equipment. What a buffoon and total fool. Most well-equipped gyms spend $200,000 to over $1,000,000 on equipment.

The leg press with two sleds could be handy for athletes and anyone wanting a different leg machine. Ray Mentzer is the first guy I saw doing one-legged leg presses. Yep, they can be done and are quite effective. So there are all sorts of protocols that can be done on those machines. Exercise physiologists will like to have them for clients.

The reason you start the leg press with bent knees is because you have to get into the loaded machine to start with. So stoppers are placed about 1/3 of the way from lockout. If you didn't do this how would you load the plates on a machine? You have to pick a height that suits most people. Also, you need a safety catch that requires the sled to be lifted some distance before disengaging.

The sleds on the first machine look like copies of what I made back in 1987.

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« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2010, 06:14:21 PM »
Items like power racks and bench press don't have to be brand new.  Since there's no real moving parts on either piece of equipment, being a used one for the most part is more economical.

However, when I do open my studio everything will be brand new other than the Forza Super Bench

Then why did you give me shit when I told you my racks and olympic were used?

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« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2010, 06:59:52 PM »
Then why did you give me shit when I told you my racks and olympic were used?

Because you are equipping your ENTIRE gym with used equipment. 
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« Reply #71 on: March 30, 2010, 07:05:42 PM »

If it was at BLACK DIAMOND  Gym in LA   there'd be yellow tape all over it  in less than 3 days!    The idiots in that gym found a way to brake an old timers T Bar Row!!!!!!!
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« Reply #72 on: March 30, 2010, 07:06:05 PM »
Resident equipment guru Vince G CSN MFT has spoken. Like Keith says, Goodrum is full of crap. Listen to this guy talk about training and equipment. It is all sour grapes because he uses bands and other nonsense instead of good gym equipment. Guys like him are what the industry should be ashamed of. They have no proper qualifications and have very little experience in gyms. This self-styled personal trainer is a charlatan who shouldn't be advising anyone else about exercise. Thank goodness he doesn't have the funds to open his own facility. What a dreamer. $4000 is all he is going to spend on equipment. What a buffoon and total fool. Most well-equipped gyms spend $200,000 to over $1,000,000 on equipment.

The leg press with two sleds could be handy for athletes and anyone wanting a different leg machine. Ray Mentzer is the first guy I saw doing one-legged leg presses. Yep, they can be done and are quite effective. So there are all sorts of protocols that can be done on those machines. Exercise physiologists will like to have them for clients.

The reason you start the leg press with bent knees is because you have to get into the loaded machine to start with. So stoppers are placed about 1/3 of the way from lockout. If you didn't do this how would you load the plates on a machine? You have to pick a height that suits most people. Also, you need a safety catch that requires the sled to be lifted some distance before disengaging.

The sleds on the first machine look like copies of what I made back in 1987.



If Keith was right, he wouldn't be 600lb overweight and fighting for every breath he takes.  Also, I'm not opening a fitness center, I'm opening a PT studio so my needs for rows of equipment are not even required.

A lot of personal trainers depend too much on equipment and simply standing next to a client counting reps.  I'm a more interactive trainer and I use functional training methods to get people in shape fast.  

If you want to see an example of it in action, go talk to my buddy Jeremy.  Here's his facility and he does quite well without all the junkyard equipment


 

http://www.talltrainer.com/
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« Reply #73 on: March 30, 2010, 07:09:10 PM »
Because you are equipping your ENTIRE gym with used equipment. 

Mmmmm, but I have only 2 machines, lat pulldowns, and seated rows. New DB's, new reverse hyper. Who cares if it's used, they are still better than training on machines. Oh, I'm also getting a new prowler, does that count?

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« Reply #74 on: March 30, 2010, 07:09:19 PM »
Because you are equipping your ENTIRE gym with used equipment. 

Hey moron how do you justify giving advice on gym equipment when you do not work out, you have admitted to not using typical gym equipment, you no idea on cost of equipment and you show your ignorance by having a business plan to open a shiot small facility with $4000 in equipment.  You were actually going to open a gym for the public using home gym equipment because it is less expensive.  Everything you do points to inexperience and not knowing a fucking thing about a gym.
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