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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2010, 06:12:11 AM »
I think the quote should have been "I'm not worried about the constitution". :)

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2010, 06:15:07 AM »
I think the quote should have been "I'm not worried about the constitution". :)

Whats the difference? 

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2010, 06:20:06 AM »
Whats the difference? 

"I'm not worried about the constitution" implies he's operating from a moral/religious delusion. "I don't care about the constitution" would at least imply he's read the darn thing and is willfully negligent. :)

I love how these liberal whackjobs always yell some version of "What about the children?!" on issues like this. When the eff are conservatives going to start yelling "What about the taxpayer?!"?

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2010, 06:36:05 AM »
"I'm not worried about the constitution" implies he's operating from a moral/religious delusion. "I don't care about the constitution" would at least imply he's read the darn thing and is willfully negligent. :)

I love how these liberal whackjobs always yell some version of "What about the children?!" on issues like this. When the eff are conservatives going to start yelling "What about the taxpayer?!"?

No kidding.   This is why I never will buy into that bogus "living breathing constitution" nonsense.   

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2010, 07:13:30 AM »
No kidding.   This is why I never will buy into that bogus "living breathing constitution" nonsense.   

I do find the whole health care corps slavery idea amusing. There's some leaves and stuff in the street outside, maybe we should declare a cleaning emergency and make poor people sweep. :)

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2010, 07:28:17 AM »
I do find the whole health care corps slavery idea amusing. There's some leaves and stuff in the street outside, maybe we should declare a cleaning emergency and make poor people sweep. :)

I have been saying that forever. 

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2010, 07:28:53 AM »
Post a video of that republican Congressman picking up underage Boys, and scoring some meth..

On a side note 33367, I thought you had enough of the republican party...

Post something positive from the libertarian party..Thanks 8)


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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2010, 07:31:08 AM »
Post a video of that republican Congressman picking up underage Boys, and scoring some meth..

On a side note 33367, I thought you had enough of the republican party...

Post something positive from the libertarian party..Thanks 8)



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You dont care that elected reps say they dont give a rats ass about the doxcument that holds this country together? 

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2010, 07:43:54 AM »
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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2010, 07:52:08 AM »
Everyone should have access to Universal healthcare no matter race, money, creed, etc

That should be in the bill of rights.




life, liberty, universal healthcare. and the pursuit of happiness.

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2010, 08:00:30 AM »
Everyone should have access to Universal healthcare no matter race, money, creed, etc

That should be in the bill of rights.




life, liberty, universal healthcare. and the pursuit of happiness.

What about food, water, and shelter? 

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2010, 08:01:54 AM »
What about food, water, and shelter? 

If you work hard enough, You should be entitled to eat something besides bread and water, yes. :'(

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2010, 08:03:10 AM »
If you work hard enough, You should be entitled to eat something besides bread and water, yes. :'(

Life Liberty & the pursuit of Happiness never meant stealing from one citizen to give something to another. 

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2010, 08:12:10 AM »
'Life Liberty & the pursuit of Happiness never meant stealing from one citizen to give something to another.'


Isn't ANY form of taxation defined as stealing from one citizen to give to another? 

Are you saying the writers of the Constitution were agaisnt ALL taxes?  Or just taxation without reprsentation?  If you look at it that way, the people of america chose a lib 59 senators and a lib president - and when they enact lib policies on taxation - it's almost a perfect working example of taxation WITH representation.

Unless you can show us where the founding fathers wrote there should be NO taxation of any kind?

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2010, 08:19:38 AM »
'Life Liberty & the pursuit of Happiness never meant stealing from one citizen to give something to another.'


Isn't ANY form of taxation defined as stealing from one citizen to give to another? 

Are you saying the writers of the Constitution were agaisnt ALL taxes?  Or just taxation without reprsentation?  If you look at it that way, the people of america chose a lib 59 senators and a lib president - and when they enact lib policies on taxation - it's almost a perfect working example of taxation WITH representation.

Unless you can show us where the founding fathers wrote there should be NO taxation of any kind?


Unreal 240.  surely you are not that stupid? 

Taxes to pay for things mandated by the constitution such as national defense, roads, etc is not the same as taxes to fund transfer payments such as welfare etc. 

Geez you people are ignorant on this. 

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2010, 08:21:43 AM »
'Taxes to pay for things mandated by the constitution such as national defense, roads, etc is not the same as taxes to fund transfer payments such as welfare etc.  '

I'm no constitutional scholar... so the constitution specifically says roads, but specifically excludes social assistance?

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2010, 08:24:11 AM »
'Taxes to pay for things mandated by the constitution such as national defense, roads, etc is not the same as taxes to fund transfer payments such as welfare etc.  '

I'm no constitutional scholar... so the constitution specifically says roads, but specifically excludes social assistance?

Please go buy a book and educate yourself.  Social assistance is meant to be a charity, not a "right" as defined by the law.   

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2010, 08:28:19 AM »
'Please go buy a book and educate yourself.  Social assistance is meant to be a charity, not a "right" as defined by the law.   '

I'm asking you to tell me which section of the constitution says this.

ANY kind of taxation is definitely unfair, but definitely a reality in any society.  Same with SOME level of social assistance.  No society on earth just lets kids and elderly starve and crap in the streets. 

So aside from (righttfully) condemning Obama's welfare mentality... I'm asking you to clarify EXACTLY what the constitution said regarding ANY taxation, what its purposes were written down to be, and where "social assistance is meant to be a charity" - where is that found?

I think you're just giving us your own interpretation of this great document here, how you think it should be.  But since you told us as fact that life/lib/happiness shouldn't include taxation - I'd like to hear you back it up with where you found this in the Constitution.

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2010, 08:29:09 AM »
If you work hard enough, You should be entitled to eat something besides bread and water, yes. :'(

So if a person doesn't work at all, eventhough there is nothing stopping them, it is acceptable to take from others in order to provide that person with health care, shelter and food?


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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2010, 08:31:23 AM »
'Life Liberty & the pursuit of Happiness never meant stealing from one citizen to give something to another.'


Isn't ANY form of taxation defined as stealing from one citizen to give to another? 

Are you saying the writers of the Constitution were agaisnt ALL taxes?  Or just taxation without reprsentation?  If you look at it that way, the people of america chose a lib 59 senators and a lib president - and when they enact lib policies on taxation - it's almost a perfect working example of taxation WITH representation.

Unless you can show us where the founding fathers wrote there should be NO taxation of any kind?
couldnt any form of taxation be ruled a violation against "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as defined by this dousch bag?
quit silver lining...this is the problem with allowing ppl to enact legislation on what they feel is "good for the nation" whats "good" is subjective which is WHY WE HAVE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!

Rules are less subjective I could say a ton of things the govt does violates my pursuit of happiness, how many lib idiots you think would vote for them?

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2010, 08:41:17 AM »

Unreal 240.  surely you are not that stupid? 

Taxes to pay for things mandated by the constitution such as national defense, roads, etc is not the same as taxes to fund transfer payments such as welfare etc. 

Geez you people are ignorant on this. 
There is NOTHING in the Constitution that requires a standing, Nationalized military. NOTHING.

In Fact, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and company was abhorred at the very idea of having a National Military at all and disbanded any semblance of a National Army, citing the Constitution and the Revolutionary War as precedent.

“A standing army is one of the greatest mischief that can possibly happen”
 James Madison quotes (American 4th US President (1809-17), and one of the founding fathers of his country. 1751-1836)

How do allow our Military to exist? Through nuance and nothing else. Taxes.  Enumerated Powers. "Power of the Purse" of Congress.  
Article 1 Section 8.


The Founders DID NOT WANT a Standing Army.


Against Standing Armies

"The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force." --Thomas Jefferson to Chandler Price, 1807. ME 11:160

"Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace for [defense against invasion]." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:334

"Standing armies [are] inconsistent with [a people's] freedom and subversive of their quiet." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Lord North's Proposition, 1775. Papers 1:231


"There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army." --Thomas Jefferson to David Humphreys, 1789. ME 7:323


"It is nonsense to talk of regulars. They are not to be had among a people so easy and happy at home as ours. We might as well rely on calling down an army of angels from heaven." --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1814. ME 14:207



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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2010, 08:43:48 AM »
"couldnt any form of taxation be ruled a violation against "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness""

YES!!  That was my point!!

So the moment 333386 agrees that there needs to be SOME taxation - then he destorys his original point.

At that juncture, we only have to decide HOW MUCH taxation is the right amount.  Sadly, the people elected a dem congress, senate and white hosue - and they're deciding.  taxation WITh representation - we just don't like the numbers the dems have decided upon. 

Besides, who was HAPPY with the taxation numbers from 2000 to 2008?  Was taking a quarter of your income acceptable, but obama taking 30% is completely unconstitutional?  I think our frame of reference was destroyed a long time ago.

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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2010, 08:46:06 AM »
Again,

ANY TAXATION voted on by Congress is legal under ARTICLE 1 SECTION 8 of the United States Constitution!

Section 8: The Congress shall have power To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
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Re: Democrat Congressman: "I dont care about the U.S. Constitution"
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2010, 08:48:18 AM »
Section 8: Powers of Congress




Section 8: The Congress shall have power To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;


To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;—And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
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