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« Reply #525 on: April 22, 2010, 09:50:29 AM »
thats just it.. there is no such thing as material. the idea of it is nonsensical. "solid" is an illusion.

are you familiar with e=mc2...?     material is just energy.. energy giving off signals for percievers who go where the energy is... there is no solid, only perceptions of solidness.  the idea of solid is implausible. by definition any solid thing is infinitely divisible.  :)

the idea of material is nonsensical? lol, energy is solid, its a form of matter, it can be measured ie material. Light for example is composed of photons, again, measurable. In the early stages of the universe in the planck epoch, baryonic matter was active. Matter is everything. We would have no concept of energy if it was immaterial, it couldnt be measured, perceived, altered, predicted. There is no such thing as an immaterial thing, nothing is immaterial. Name one thing that is?

seriously, i haven't read quantum physics in about 4 years, i have other studies i need to attend to but you have a misunderstanding here.

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« Reply #526 on: April 22, 2010, 09:53:27 AM »
the idea of material is nonsensical? lol, energy is solid, its a form of matter, it can be measured ie material. Light for example is composed of photons, again, measurable. In the early stages of the universe in the planck epoch, baryonic matter was active. Matter is everything. We would have no concept of energy if it was immaterial, it couldnt be measured, perceived, altered, predicted. There is no such thing as an immaterial thing, nothing is immaterial. Name one thing that is?

seriously, i haven't read quantum physics in about 4 years, i have other studies i need to attend to but you have a misunderstanding here.

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« Reply #527 on: April 22, 2010, 09:55:13 AM »
Yes.

did you have another account on here, about wikipedia by any chance?

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« Reply #528 on: April 22, 2010, 10:02:47 AM »
Do you make this up as you go along?

I honestly hope no one believes this sort of disingenuous misinformation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model

Gotta fly, but you really need to catch up with the current state of quantum physics and learn what has been going on the last 25 years.

It really does appear Spinoza was correct, as corroborated with current scientific observation, when he stated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza


matter is something that has mass and takes up space. anything which has mass and takes up space can be represented numerically. every number is infinitely divisibel. thus, every peice of matter, and whatever numeric unit you can find to represent it, are infinitely divisible.

As for spinoza, did you not read the beginning of the thread? I related spinoza to necrosis when i informed him that based upon what he was writing that he was probably a pantheist

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« Reply #529 on: April 22, 2010, 10:05:46 AM »
the idea of material is nonsensical? lol, energy is solid, its a form of matter, it can be measured ie material. Light for example is composed of photons, again, measurable. In the early stages of the universe in the planck epoch, baryonic matter was active. Matter is everything. We would have no concept of energy if it was immaterial, it couldnt be measured, perceived, altered, predicted. There is no such thing as an immaterial thing, nothing is immaterial. Name one thing that is?

seriously, i haven't read quantum physics in about 4 years, i have other studies i need to attend to but you have a misunderstanding here.

read my previous post to yngiwe


there is only one thing and it is spirit. but that is beyond the scope of logical argumentation, and since I have only been recieved when I put forth logical, deductive arguments... Its not really soemthing I will go deeper into, not that I could anyways.  ;D

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« Reply #530 on: April 22, 2010, 10:06:29 AM »
Imagine being an anthropologist and coming across this shit. Try thinking about this objectively...which is hard for the theists.

In the time of our ancestors a man was born to a virgin with no biological father.
This same fatherless man called out to a man who has been dead long enough to stink and ordered him to rise up...and this man came back to life.
The fatherless man after being dead for 3 days came back to life.
This same man without food or water for 40 days went to the top of a hill and and disappeared into the sky.
This guy can hear the thoughts of hundreds of millions of people and sometimes may act on those thoughts.
This same man can see what you and other hundreds of millions of other people are doing at all times.

What the fuck? Seriously. Who in their right mind can believe in such a fairy tale?
  

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« Reply #531 on: April 22, 2010, 10:07:46 AM »
Tbombz...this is for you.

I'm not expecting a well balanced or coherent response from you, but I have some time to kill while smoking my cigar.

These are typical arguments from theists why god exists.
...from the God Delusion by Dawkins

The incomplete devastation argument:

"A plane crash where dozens of people die and one or 2 people survive with burns and injuries" ...therefore God must exist!

The emotional blackmail argument:

"God loves you! He does! How can you be so heartless to not believe?" ...therefore god exists!

The non belief argument:

"The majority of the world's population are non believers in Christ! This is what satan intended!" Therefore god exists

this post is completely void of any meaning nor does it contribute anything to the thread..  expand upon it if there is a questions or argument somewhere in there... and remember, you may think those are the standard arguments, but they are not ones I have given, so do not expect me to argue with you over things I never mentioned nor believe are sound

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« Reply #532 on: April 22, 2010, 10:09:07 AM »
Imagine being an anthropologist and coming across this shit. Try thinking about this objectively...which is hard for the theists.

In the time of our ancestors a man was born to a virgin with no biological father.
This same fatherless man called out to a man who has been dead long enough to stink and ordered him to rise up...and this man came back to life.
The fatherless man after being dead for 3 days came back to life.
This same man without food or water for 40 days went to the top of a hill and and disappeared into the sky.
This guy can hear the thoughts of hundreds of millions of people and sometimes may act on those thoughts.
This same man can see what you and other hundreds of millions of other people are doing at all times.

What the fuck? Seriously. Who in their right mind can believe in such a fairy tale?
  
Youve got it mixed up in parts.  :)

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« Reply #533 on: April 22, 2010, 10:17:20 AM »
    He usually just quotes a few of these common arguments.


      
    • The cosmological argument argues that there was a "first cause", or "prime mover" who is identified as God. It starts with a claim about the world, like its containing entities or motion.
    • The teleological argument argues that the universe's order and complexity are best explained by reference to a creator God. It starts with a rather more complicated claim about the world, i.e. that it exhibits order and design. This argument has two versions: One based on the analogy of design and designer, the other arguing that goals can only occur in minds.
    • The ontological argument is based on arguments about a "being greater than which cannot be conceived". It starts simply with a concept of God.Avicenna, St. Anselm of Canterbury and Alvin Plantinga formulated this argument to show that if it is logically possible for God (a necessary being) to exist, then God exists.
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    • Arguments that a non-physical quality observed in the universe is of fundamental importance and not an epiphenomenon, such as Morality (Argument from morality), Beauty (Argument from beauty), Love (Argument from love), or religious experience (Argument from religious experience), are arguments for theism as against materialism.
    • The anthropic argument suggests that basic facts, such as our existence, are best explained by the existence of God.
    • The will to believe doctrine was pragmatist philosopher William James' attempt to prove God by showing that the adoption of theism as a hypothesis "works" in a believer's life. This doctrine depended heavily on James' pragmatic theory of truth where beliefs are proven by how they work when adopted rather than by proofs before they are believed (a form of the hypothetico-deductive method).

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    the first tthree i have mentioned. the last three i did not mention but i do find some truth in. the ones i deleted i never made any mention of[/list]

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    « Reply #534 on: April 22, 2010, 10:19:28 AM »
    He usually just quotes a few of these common arguments.


      
    • The cosmological argument argues that there was a "first cause", or "prime mover" who is identified as God. It starts with a claim about the world, like its containing entities or motion.
    • The teleological argument argues that the universe's order and complexity are best explained by reference to a creator God. It starts with a rather more complicated claim about the world, i.e. that it exhibits order and design. This argument has two versions: One based on the analogy of design and designer, the other arguing that goals can only occur in minds.
    • The ontological argument is based on arguments about a "being greater than which cannot be conceived". It starts simply with a concept of God.Avicenna, St. Anselm of Canterbury and Alvin Plantinga formulated this argument to show that if it is logically possible for God (a necessary being) to exist, then God exists.
    • The argument from degree, a version of the ontological argument posited by Aquinas, states that there must exist a being which possesses all properties to the maximum possible degree.
    • Arguments that a non-physical quality observed in the universe is of fundamental importance and not an epiphenomenon, such as Morality (Argument from morality), Beauty (Argument from beauty), Love (Argument from love), or religious experience (Argument from religious experience), are arguments for theism as against materialism.
    • The anthropic argument suggests that basic facts, such as our existence, are best explained by the existence of God.
    • The moral argument argues that the existence of objective morality depends on the existence of God.
    • The transcendental argument suggests that logic, science, ethics, and other things we take seriously do not make sense in the absence of God, and that atheistic arguments must ultimately refute themselves if pressed with rigorous consistency.
    • The will to believe doctrine was pragmatist philosopher William James' attempt to prove God by showing that the adoption of theism as a hypothesis "works" in a believer's life. This doctrine depended heavily on James' pragmatic theory of truth where beliefs are proven by how they work when adopted rather than by proofs before they are believed (a form of the hypothetico-deductive method).
    • The Argument from Reason holds that if, as thoroughgoing naturalism entails, all of our thoughts are the effect of a physical cause, then we have no reason for assuming that they are also the consequent of a reasonable ground. Knowledge, however, is apprehended by reasoning from ground to consequent. Therefore, if naturalism were true, there would be no way of knowing it — or anything else not the direct result of a physical cause — and we could not even suppose it, except by a fluke.
    • Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point Theory holds that the universe is bound to ultimately end in a Big Crunch, which will create a gravitational singularity that can be exploited to obtain practically infinite computational capacity; Tipler equates this final singularity and its state of infinite information capacity to God

    Hahahaha! Yes!

    Think how far the field of science and physics would have come if every question and problem that came up that a scientist who couldn't answer a question chalked it up to god. You still would have people trying to make gold in labs out of lead.

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    « Reply #535 on: April 22, 2010, 10:20:08 AM »
    read my previous post to yngiwe


    there is only one thing and it is spirit. but that is beyond the scope of logical argumentation, and since I have only been recieved when I put forth logical, deductive arguments... Its not really soemthing I will go deeper into, not that I could anyways.  ;D

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocin

     ;D

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    « Reply #536 on: April 22, 2010, 10:23:07 AM »
    Youve got it mixed up in parts.  :)

    What is mixed up? I guess I should have said that fairytale is not in chronological order...just random excerpts.

    It's like reading science fiction.

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    « Reply #537 on: April 22, 2010, 10:31:22 AM »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocin

     ;D

    Got any to spare?
    havent had any in almost a year.. wish i did..  :) 

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    « Reply #538 on: April 22, 2010, 10:34:13 AM »
    havent had any in almost a year.. wish i did..  :) 

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    « Reply #539 on: April 22, 2010, 01:49:06 PM »
     YngiweRhoads reads the wikipedia every friggin day, a great deal of it he does not understand, but the word of science moves him to tears, and words like - disingenuous misinformation, the current state of quantum physics, the cosmological argument argues, everything we know about the universe indicates it is uncaused and modern physics has soundly refuted metaphysical meanderings he pronounces with a sweet flutter at his heart. He has a slavish reverence for scientists and a complete lack of any desire for independent thought. YngiweRhoads is ready to argue with you till the last judgement. He won't do anything striking and there will be no YngiweRhoads's proof as to whether does God exist or not nor to anything else of the word of science. He ain't no Grigoriy Perelman. YngiweRhoads works from morning to night, reads a lot, remembers well everything he has read -- and in that way he is not a man, but pure gold; in all else he is a carthorse or, in other words, a learned dullard. The carthorse characteristics that show his lack of talent are these: his outlook is narrow and sharply limited by the word of science. When he eats he munches loudly, disgustingly, emitting sounds from his nose, while his eyes grow oily and rapacious and it's inbetween the reading sessions. It must be supposed that reading Wikipedia is one of his morbid habits, though he falls upon anything that come into his hands with equal avidity, even last year's newspapers and calendars, only it would have been something about science. That's his life! In other words if he died today no one would notice his absence tomorrow
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    « Reply #540 on: April 22, 2010, 04:51:10 PM »
    Hahahaha! Yes!

    Think how far the field of science and physics would have come if every question and problem that came up that a scientist who couldn't answer a question chalked it up to god. You still would have people trying to make gold in labs out of lead.

    LOL, or if scientists left their ideas, discoveries and theories to 'faith' and did not bother proving them in laboratory settings  ::)  ::)

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    « Reply #541 on: April 22, 2010, 10:40:26 PM »
    LOL, or if scientists left their ideas, discoveries and theories to 'faith' and did not bother proving them in laboratory settings  ::)  ::)

     LOl, or if there were at least one scientist who could have proved that Hitler does not abide in Hell. That would be awesome! I mean solid proof in laboratoty setting
     :-X

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    « Reply #542 on: April 22, 2010, 11:07:39 PM »
    LOl, or if there were at least one scientist who could have proved that Hitler does not abide in Hell. That would be awesome! I mean solid proof in laboratoty setting
     :-X

    What is your obsession with Hitler and hell!!??  there are far worse tyrants and dictators then Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong.. why do you keep singling out Hitler !?!?

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    « Reply #543 on: April 22, 2010, 11:31:06 PM »
    What is your obsession with Hitler and hell!!??  there are far worse tyrants and dictators then Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong.. why do you keep singling out Hitler !?!?


     It's irrelevant whether it's Hitler or Kim Jong, what's relevant is the proof. Once it's proved hell or paradise don't exist after life, then all the cristianity goes out of window.

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    « Reply #544 on: April 22, 2010, 11:46:57 PM »
    It's irrelevant whether it's Hitler or Kim Jong, what's relevant is the proof. Once it's proved hell or paradise don't exist after life, then all the cristianity goes out of window.

    Well science is getting closer and closer.. last week science proved that the light at the end of the tunnel and near death experiences or feeling of 'ascending to heaven' are a byproduct of your bodies chemistry, namely c02 in the blood.

    http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/2010/04/higher_carbon_dioxide_levels_in_blood_linked_to_ne.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+houstonchronicle%2Fsciguy+%28SciGuy%29

    It will be a matter of years before god is completely disproven by science.

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    « Reply #545 on: April 23, 2010, 01:01:07 AM »
    Well science is getting closer and closer.. last week science proved that the light at the end of the tunnel and near death experiences or feeling of 'ascending to heaven' are a byproduct of your bodies chemistry, namely c02 in the blood.

    http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/2010/04/higher_carbon_dioxide_levels_in_blood_linked_to_ne.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+houstonchronicle%2Fsciguy+%28SciGuy%29

    It will be a matter of years before god is completely disproven by science.



     Are you a real deal IDIOT or just pretend? What it shows is that only what happens in your brain pre death and that's it.

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    « Reply #546 on: April 23, 2010, 10:43:01 AM »
    There is no such thing as an immaterial thing, nothing is immaterial. Name one thing that is?



    Thought :-X

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    « Reply #547 on: April 23, 2010, 01:37:18 PM »

     Are you a real deal IDIOT or just pretend? What it shows is that only what happens in your brain pre death and that's it.

    Seriously dude, the only idiot here is you..consistently, all you do is spew insults and bash people try presenting SOME FACTS like the rest of us have done instead of the same rthetoric over and over , this is you: 'you are complete idiot that spends days on wikipedia but does not understand common link between man and god, why has science not proven that hitler is resting in hell' you sound like a retarded Russian immigrant, fresh off the boat with his grade 1 english level repeating the same garbage over and over.. I'm sure your reply to this will be 'very intelligent' and fillled with lots of obscenities referencing how I'm an 'idiot' and how my educated aristocratic parents should have killed me...which you've already posted 4 times, do you seriously know how to write anything that makes sense!??! and is fresh, interesting and original?!

    like your god, everythign that comes out of you is like a broken record player on repeat.

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    « Reply #548 on: April 23, 2010, 03:37:06 PM »








    funny....no rebuttal to the points in these vids because there spot on and show how absurd the shit is...

    oh...and still no answer to my question...
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    « Reply #549 on: April 23, 2010, 07:06:37 PM »
    Seriously dude, the only idiot here is you..consistently, all you do is spew insults and bash people try presenting SOME FACTS like the rest of us have done instead of the same rthetoric over and over , this is you: 'you are complete idiot that spends days on wikipedia but does not understand common link between man and god, why has science not proven that hitler is resting in hell' you sound like a retarded Russian immigrant, fresh off the boat with his grade 1 english level repeating the same garbage over and over.. I'm sure your reply to this will be 'very intelligent' and fillled with lots of obscenities referencing how I'm an 'idiot' and how my educated aristocratic parents should have killed me...which you've already posted 4 times, do you seriously know how to write anything that makes sense!??! and is fresh, interesting and original?!

    like your god, everythign that comes out of you is like a broken record player on repeat.


    He's a gimmick dude. I don't bother responding to his idiocy.
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