War against fat people

[Vince B]

Anyone who can throw a 2 Kg discus over 150 feet is a damn good athlete. No question about that at all. So, if you were throwing over 185 regularly you were a natural superman because that is a hell of a long way to throw that implement.

What a pity you never got a chance to see how far you could throw. It would have been a thrill to get one over 200 feet. Heck, if anyone can throw the woman's discus that far they are a champion. It weighs only 1 Kg.

[kiwiol]

You are still lumping fat people together and trying to explain the obesity. If we set aside the excuses and explanations provided by the obese population you still have a problem trying to explain all the obesity. When scientists study these people they discover that things aren't as simple as they imagined. There are mechanisms that fat people have that make it easy for them to gain weight and almost impossible for them to lose it permanently. The success rate for fat people dieting is something less than 5%. In other words, 95% of people who diet regain that weight or more after 2 years. That is a fact and a very challenge to all the musclemen who think they know it all. That program The Biggest Loser is a pathetic view of obesity and how to reverse it. I wouldn't give those exercises to my members who are trying to lose fat. It is amazing the ignorance of the people who produced that show. Their instructors are knuckleheads, too, and give the fat people really stupid things to do. I guess it makes good TV. Well, I don't watch that show because of all the foolishness involved.

As more research is done on fat populations things are discovered which takes some of the blame away from them. They are motivated not to be really fat but get that way, anyway, despite their best efforts. If you worked in a gym and had these members as clients you would soon change your mind about protocols and ideas that will reverse the obesity.

I agree some of the obese do have a genuine medical condition that doesn't allow them to shed the fat easily. But there are also a lot of obese people who are fat simply because they can't restrain themselves when it comes to food. This latter group of people then bunch themselves with the ones who have the real problem and make it appear like they too have a condition that is beyond their control.

The success rate among them when it comes to weight loss is so low because of multiple factors, including, but not restricted to,

1) Their having little will power and commitment to lose the fat, which takes a long time to accomplish and entails giving up on their addiction i.e. food

2) Their giving up too early due to the above reason, as well as the fact that they don't see any noticeable difference in their weight loss after sticking with the new, "difficult" diet for a while, which discourages them to give up and depresses them enough to revert to their old eating habits

3) They get desensitized to their condition and accept it, which is easily accomplished by teaming up with other fatties, who become a support group and a refuge where they can indulge in their habits without any guilt.

The number of obese people has risen sharply in the last couple of decades, with the increasing availability of fast food and the range of snacks plus the different venues you can get them from. That is no co-incidence or even a correlation - it's a direct causation. They eat more, more often and get fatter. Again, not all of them, but definitely most of them. The number of fatties with genuine medical problems can't have just risen dramatically out of the blue for no reason.

[chaos]

I agree some of the obese do have a genuine medical condition that doesn't allow them to shed the fat easily. But there are also a lot of obese people who are fat simply because they can't restrain themselves when it comes to food. This latter group of people then bunch themselves with the ones who have the real problem and make it appear like their condition is beyond their control.

The success rate among them when it comes to weight loss is so low because of multiple factors, including, but not restricted to,

1) Their having little will power and the commitment to lose the fat, which takes a long time to accomplish and entails giving up on their addiction i.e. food

2) Their giving up too early due to the above reason, as well as the fact that they don't see any noticeable difference in their weight loss after sticking with the new, "difficult" diet for a while, which discourages them to give up and depresses them enough to revert to their old eating habits

3) They get desensitized to their condition and accept it, which is easily accomplished by teaming up with other fatties, who become a support group and a refuge where they can indulge in their habits without any guilt.

The number of obese people has risen sharply in the last couple of decades, with the increasing availability of fast food and the range of snacks plus the different venues you can get them from. That is no co-incidence or even a correlation - it's a direct causation. They eat more, more often and get fatter. Again, not all of them, but definitely most of them. The number of fatties with genuine medical problems can't have just risen dramatically out of the blue for no reason.

Welcome back Old Kiwiol!!

[kiwiol]

Welcome back Old Kiwiol!!

Haha that's enough serious posts from me for a while! Back to trolling now

[chaos]

Haha that's enough serious posts from me for a while! Back to trolling now

I didn't read it, was it a good one?

[kiwiol]

I didn't read it, was it a good one?

I'd give it a 3/10

[Vince B]

Have you read the study done through a university where they tried to keep fat people on a calorie restricted diet for several months? These people were closely monitored and as a group they all lost a lot of weight. Months after the end of the experiment these people still had their systems in a semi starvation mode and the tendency of the body was to store fat to cope with future shortages. So the fat people were doomed re keeping that weight off. It had nothing to do with will power, etc.

Compare that to the other part of the study where skinny people were fattened for months and everyone gained a significant amount of weight. After the experiment was over these people were tested and most had lost the extra weight and their systems were back to normal.

If this experiment is fair dinkum then it partly explains why fat people gain weight but can't lose it. All the will power in the world can't defeat how these people are wired. They are good at using food so they store the extra. When they diet they switch on the starvation mode and it further slows their metabolism and affects them so that they are not as active. Imagine having to deal with a mechanism like that. Oh, it is easy to take the stereotypical view of fat people and suggest they are lazy and let themselves go. That isn't what science has discovered.

[Cavalier22]

What kind of spider bit you?  That shit is no effing joke. I hadn't seen those pics in awhile

[noworries]

What kind of spider bit you?  That shit is no effing joke. I hadn't seen those pics in awhile

Brown Recluse.  This photo is not my leg but it is almost exactly what mine looked like after they cut off the blister and scrapped it

[Van_Bilderass]

Have you read the study done through a university where they tried to keep fat people on a calorie restricted diet for several months? These people were closely monitored and as a group they all lost a lot of weight. Months after the end of the experiment these people still had their systems in a semi starvation mode and the tendency of the body was to store fat to cope with future shortages. So the fat people were doomed re keeping that weight off. It had nothing to do with will power, etc.

Compare that to the other part of the study where skinny people were fattened for months and everyone gained a significant amount of weight. After the experiment was over these people were tested and most had lost the extra weight and their systems were back to normal.

If this experiment is fair dinkum then it partly explains why fat people gain weight but can't lose it. All the will power in the world can't defeat how these people are wired. They are good at using food so they store the extra. When they diet they switch on the starvation mode and it further slows their metabolism and affects them so that they are not as active. Imagine having to deal with a mechanism like that. Oh, it is easy to take the stereotypical view of fat people and suggest they are lazy and let themselves go. That isn't what science has discovered.

You have a small point re "wiring". However, you are still missing the main point. They all lose weight when they restrict calories. They gain weight only when they overeat. The fatter you are the faster you lose weight initially, which shows there's nothing wrong with their metabolic rate. In fact, fat people have faster metabolisms than skinny people, simply because the bigger you are the more calories you require to maintain that weight. There is usually nothing wrong with thyroid hormones for example.

Some people have set-points that fight them... but the fight is in controlling appetite. Fat people have problems maintaining weight loss not because their metabolisms slow down but because they can't maintain a lower calorie intake. Research has shown that this "set-point" only adjusts upward and never downward which means it's important to not get obese in the first place. Get really fat and the body will not want to maintain a "skinny" state again, or at least it wont be as easy than if you never got fat in the first place.

[Topskin69]

Ugh... I clicked on that Dimensions site and found crap like this!

.... Since I am it... how many of you would hit this? She has a nice face, but ugh... just too much.

[Parker]

Ugh... I clicked on that Dimensions site and found crap like this!

.... Since I am it... how many of you would hit this? She has a nice face, but ugh... just too much.

I like a big booty, that that...  . And then she has the gunt that is a combo-dunlap . ewwwwwwww!

A date with her is going to the the local buffet, and watching her clear house!!!!

[Vince B]

Imagine is someone wrote about characteristics and behaviour of bodybuilders. What is the chance they would be accurate and fair to all of us? Zero. Bodybuilders are not a population of similar individuals so any analysis is bound to fail.

How come a few resident experts have no trouble describing what fat people are like and how they feel? That is not possible because they are as varied as bodybuilders. Just because they are fat doesn't mean they behave the same or feel the same. How the heck would any of you know how fat people feel about themselves? You guys know nothing about fat people yet write critically because you have the typical prejudices and ignorance of muscleheads. Do some research and get educated instead of fostering hate and loathing on others.

I like the way guys who supposedly hate fat women have no problem downloading images to their computers. If the goal is to embarrass or humiliate these fat women then that is not a nice thing to do. Appreciating large women is not a perversion but just another sexual preference.

[Parker]

Imagine is someone wrote about characteristics and behaviour of bodybuilders. What is the chance they would be accurate and fair to all of us? Zero. Bodybuilders are not a population of similar individuals so any analysis is bound to fail.

How come a few resident experts have no trouble describing what fat people are like and how they feel? That is not possible because they are as varied as bodybuilders. Just because they are fat doesn't mean they behave the same or feel the same. How the heck would any of you know how fat people feel about themselves? You guys know nothing about fat people yet write critically because you have the typical prejudices and ignorance of muscleheads. Do some research and get educated instead of fostering hate and loathing on others.

I like the way guys who supposedly hate fat women have no problem downloading images to their computers. If the goal is to embarrass or humiliate these fat women then that is not a nice thing to do. Appreciating large women is not a perversion but just another sexual preference.

To pervert the view that larger women should be accepted is just wrong. This woman could be healthier losing 200-250 pounds. Think about her qualit of life. Furthermore the men who find them atractive tend to be skinny guys who are insecure with attractive women. Women who cannot more or just stay in one place and eat are more "attractive" because there is less competition. Which is odd, because why don't these guys gain 500 pounds? Well, that would be hard work, and they don't want to look like that. That there shows that that there is a control issue.

Most in shape peopl are attracted to those who are in shape.

being this fat plays with a woman's hormones and if pregnant can cause issues with the baby (fetus).


And yes, fat people as a group tend to have similar mindsets, that's how they got fat. In order to gain big muscle, one has to lift weights in that area ( and yes on the pro level take drugs). In order to get fat, one has to eat ons of food, particularly carbs and  expend less energy. There is no real battle of the bulge, but the battle to push yourself from the table when you are full. The battle to go out and walk, the battle to take in less than you expend. The battle to not listen to your metabolism, but listen to the commerical on TV  Now, there could be underlying issues--that food is comfort, but still the actions are the same for basically all fat people. There is a balance, and this, yes like bbing exemplifies the "extreme".

[dr.chimps]

This thread got real good. Kiwi being rational and Vince being emotional. The melting point on 'emotional' is now proven to be lower.   

[Vince B]

The good doctor reduced to playing the clown on Getbig. Congratulations.

The arguments against fat people are stereotypical and not at all scientific. Self-styled obesity experts should get educated before blabbing on discussion boards. They don't know the fat people yet feel entitled to speak about them.

[NordicNerd]

So the whole 'fat is beautiful' campaign is a load of crap and one that applies only to a very small percentage of the population that's statistically insignificant -

You use the term "statistically insignificant" wrong. This term is used in inferential statistics when a sample of some population does not give you a basis for concluding something about the population (effects of treatments, relationships between variables, differences in different populations and so on).

What you are probably trying to say is simply that a very small proportion of the general population is attracted to fat people, (and I think you are right, fatties are disgusting, hehe)

NN

[Tapeworm]

They don't know the fat people yet feel entitled to speak about them.

We know one!  

[kiwiol]

You use the term "statistically insignificant" wrong. This term is used in inferential statistics when a sample of some population does not give you a basis for concluding something about the population (effects of treatments, relationships between variables, differences in different populations and so on).

I wasn't referring to Vince's immediate post I'd quoted there so much. In fact, he's quite right when he says admirers of fat people (as in those who have a sexual attraction towards obese individuals) are a minority. I was talking about some of the campaigns the fatties come up with, such as the one in which they claim their group is (or at least, ought to be) just as appreciated and appealing to the general public as those who are "normal", as well as other crap like saying they should be referred to as plus size individuals (or whatever the politically correct term is that is currently acceptable to them) and not fat, and so on.

Point being that IMO, the number of people who find those whales sexually attractive comprise a very small percentage of the overall population and therefore, aren't exactly setting a trend that is fairly widespread and typical of the average person - as you've rightly pointed out.

[Vince B]

Whether fat women are viewed as sexually attractive is irrelevant to how they should be perceived and treated. They have been persecuted and humiliated for far too long by all and sundry. Fat jokes should be seen as inappropriate.

My point is the stereotypes about fat people are prejudiced and misinformed. Even the uneducated musclehead feels he is an expert on body composition so blames fat people for their condition. They have no idea what is involved. They merely default to assumptions that fat people get fat by consuming too many calories. From that premise then conclude fat people are pigs and eat way too much. Where is their evidence for these allegations? They have nothing but continue to argue as if they are knowledgeable experts.

[dr.chimps]

The good doctor reduced to playing the clown on Getbig. Congratulations.

The arguments against fat people are stereotypical and not at all scientific. Self-styled obesity experts should get educated before blabbing on discussion boards. They don't know the fat people yet feel entitled to speak about them.

You mean like you using the word 'dieting' when you should be using terms like 'behavioural changes!?' C'mon, Vince, it's obvious your emotional and sexual response to these larger women is driving your argument. Nothing wrong with that, if that's your thing, but don't try to claim any moral high ground under some pseudo-scientific guise. 

[Parker]

Whether fat women are viewed as sexually attractive is irrelevant to how they should be perceived and treated. They have been persecuted and humiliated for far too long by all and sundry. Fat jokes should be seen as inappropriate.

My point is the stereotypes about fat people are prejudiced and misinformed. Even the uneducated musclehead feels he is an expert on body composition so blames fat people for their condition. They have no idea what is involved. They merely default to assumptions that fat people get fat by consuming too many calories. From that premise then conclude fat people are pigs and eat way too much. Where is their evidence for these allegations? They have nothing but continue to argue as if they are knowledgeable experts.

Persecuted? Humiliated? Please give examples.

[WillGrant]

INCOMMING!!!!!!

[Vince B]

You mean like you using the word 'dieting' when you should be using terms like 'behavioural changes!?' C'mon, Vince, it's obvious your emotional and sexual response to these larger women is driving your argument. Nothing wrong with that, if that's your thing, but don't try to claim any moral high ground under some pseudo-scientific guise. 

Are you joining the discussion or doing your usual putdown of whatever others are discussing? I use the word 'diet' which can be substituted for weight loss diet because that is what most people think when seeing this word.

What is driving my arguments is a long term association and interaction with fat people. When I see others spewing the same biased crap towards and about them I have to speak out. Of course, it will seem like I am defending the fat population and that is fine with me.

[Van_Bilderass]

They merely default to assumptions that fat people get fat by consuming too many calories. From that premise then conclude fat people are pigs and eat way too much. Where is their evidence for these allegations? They have nothing but continue to argue as if they are knowledgeable experts.

 

So what makes you an expert? What are your credentials in this area? What research have you been involved in personally?

And what is your explanation for the vast number of morbidly obese people in the US for example, compared to many other countries? If not food intake (and food availability), then what?

I'm in Sweden. My friend was in the states recently and I asked him if he saw many fat people, people riding those motorized shopping carts at Walmart because they are so fat, etc, and he said yes, there were a lot of extremely fat people. You don't see that here. Why? What is the reason?

Is it something in the air they breathe mutating their DNA? Chemicals in the drinking water wrecking their thyroids? What?