Author Topic: Is Mindspin Anti bodybuilding? (Read 11462 times)

MindSpin · « **on:** April 06, 2010, 02:52:12 PM »

A lot of you have PMd me asking this question, so I will answer it here. No, I am not anti bodybuilding as I define it. However, I am disgusted at what the "sport" is.

Some would argue that bodybuilding is a great "sport" because it's healthy, it makes you look better and if you're successful at it, it can provide fame & money. However, the truth is that it's really not a sport, it is very unhealthy, it forces you to break the law, to the vast majority of the population you look disgusting, and it brings you fame only to Schmoes. Of course, there is no money, even for the top professionals.

That said, I do enjoy "building my body". I train with weights and eat a certain way so that I can have an athletic body that allows me to be strong, flexible, explosive and have strong muscle endurance.

So, there it is.

Chick · « **Reply #1 on:** April 06, 2010, 02:54:13 PM »

There is lots of money...even for top professionals.

Certainly not YOUR kind, moneybags..but to make that statement is simply untrue

emn1964 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 06, 2010, 02:55:40 PM »

MindSpin · « **Reply #3 on:** April 06, 2010, 02:56:32 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 06, 2010, 02:54:13 PM

There is lots of money...even for top professionals.

Certainly not YOUR kind, moneybags..but to make that statement is simply untrue

Okay, educate me. Let's take Kai Greene as an example. What would you say he makes in a year factoring in contest winnings, sponsor money, appearance fees, gay4pay, etc.

Chick · « **Reply #4 on:** April 06, 2010, 03:01:41 PM »

Quote from: MindSpin on April 06, 2010, 02:56:32 PM

Okay, educate me. Let's take Kai Greene as an example. What would you say he makes in a year factoring in contest winnings, sponsor money, appearance fees, gay4pay, etc.

Made just under 200K in prize money...I'll guess 10 Guest posings at 3K apiece, supp contract and Pubs contract, even at 50K apiece...looks like he made about 330K last year in my estimation

you would know G4P money as you seem to be an authority on it lately...

MindSpin · « **Reply #5 on:** April 06, 2010, 03:06:04 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 06, 2010, 03:01:41 PM

Made just under 200K in prize money...I'll guess 10 Guest posings at 3K apiece, supp contract and Pubs contract, even at 50K apiece...looks like he made about 330K last year in my estimation

you would know G4P money as you seem to be an authority on it lately...

Okay, so he made 330k and spent maybe 150k in supps, food, health insurance and other expenses., which leaves him with about 180k before taxes or about $125 after taxes. If that is true, then he is making a good living THAT YEAR for most parts of the country. What will he do when it's all over in a few years? Does the IFBB have any kind of pension plan or something to help these guys once their bodies give out?

disturbia · « **Reply #6 on:** April 06, 2010, 03:09:33 PM »

Quote from: MindSpin on April 06, 2010, 03:06:04 PM

Okay, so he made 330k and spent maybe 150k in supps, food, health insurance and other expenses., which leaves him with about 180k before taxes or about $125 after taxes. If that is true, then he is making a good living THAT YEAR for most parts of the country. What will he do when it's all over in a few years? Does the IFBB have any kind of pension plan or something to help these guys once their bodies give out?

oooo interesting question

grabs popcorn

Chick · « **Reply #7 on:** April 06, 2010, 03:11:54 PM »

Quote from: MindSpin on April 06, 2010, 03:06:04 PM

Okay, so he made 330k and spent maybe 150k in supps, food, health insurance and other expenses., which leaves him with about 180k before taxes or about $125 after taxes. If that is true, then he is making a good living THAT YEAR for most parts of the country. What will he do when it's all over in a few years? Does the IFBB have any kind of pension plan or something to help these guys once their bodies give out?

For MOST parts of the country?? LOL....please....

I dont know what he'll do in the next few years, I'm not his accountant...I'm only responding to YOUR statement of pro BBers making no money....plenty more examples.

d0nny2600 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 06, 2010, 03:13:37 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 06, 2010, 03:11:54 PM

For MOST parts of the country?? LOL....please....

I dont know what he'll do in the next few years, I'm not his accountant...I'm only responding to YOUR statement of pro BBers making no money....plenty more examples.

Jay Cutler seems to be doing ok for himself as do many more.

just_a_pilgrim · « **Reply #9 on:** April 06, 2010, 03:14:37 PM »

It's not like he can't get another job after he's done.

He knows the rules it's his choice to compete. If he doesn't want to compete go do something else. You can't just complain things need to change just because he only wants to lift weights and compete.

emn1964 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 06, 2010, 03:14:50 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 06, 2010, 03:11:54 PM

For MOST parts of the country?? LOL....please....

I dont know what he'll do in the next few years, I'm not his accountant...I'm only responding to YOUR statement of pro BBers making no money....plenty more examples.

but Kai, for the moment, is one of the top tier of guys. the real question is what do the middle of the pack guys make?

bigbobs · « **Reply #11 on:** April 06, 2010, 03:15:50 PM »

I'm no expert but I'm sure when he stops competing he can make a fair bit personal training because of the name he made for himself by being a top tier pro. Also if he's smart with investing like Nasser was he can be financially independent after competing.

just_a_pilgrim · « **Reply #12 on:** April 06, 2010, 03:17:32 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on April 06, 2010, 03:15:50 PM

I'm no expert but I'm sure when he stops competing he can make a fair bit personal training because of the name he made for himself by being a top tier pro. Also if he's smart with investing like Nasser was he can be financially independent after competing.

He can also write a book when he's done.

wavelength · « **Reply #13 on:** April 06, 2010, 03:21:37 PM »

Quote from: MindSpin on April 06, 2010, 03:06:04 PM

Okay, so he made 330k and spent maybe 150k in supps, food, health insurance and other expenses., which leaves him with about 180k before taxes or about $125 after taxes. If that is true, then he is making a good living THAT YEAR for most parts of the country. What will he do when it's all over in a few years? Does the IFBB have any kind of pension plan or something to help these guys once their bodies give out?

Who the hell needs 150k for supps, food, health insurance and other expenses?

Nirvana · « **Reply #14 on:** April 06, 2010, 03:23:23 PM »

in the end

we're all fat and dumb

Nirvana · « **Reply #15 on:** April 06, 2010, 03:24:12 PM »

and yes, Mindspin, to answer your question, you are anti-bodybuilding

~UN_$ung~ · « **Reply #16 on:** April 06, 2010, 03:25:27 PM »

Quote from: MindSpin on April 06, 2010, 03:06:04 PM

Okay, so he made 330k and spent maybe 150k in supps, food, health insurance and other expenses., which leaves him with about 180k before taxes or about $125 after taxes. If that is true, then he is making a good living THAT YEAR for most parts of the country. What will he do when it's all over in a few years? Does the IFBB have any kind of pension plan or something to help these guys once their bodies give out?

dont forget what he pays oscar arden to babysit him 24 hours a day,because he is a 300lb emotional child, i think they function close to a "team" dynamic where oscar probably gets a good portions of his money

why else would he be spending 24hours a day wiht him for months at a time, traveling with him, ect

so what ever kai makes, you can proably factor a third of it goes to oscar, very likely up to almost 50%

bigbobs · « **Reply #17 on:** April 06, 2010, 03:28:52 PM »

Quote from: just_a_pilgrim on April 06, 2010, 03:17:32 PM

He can also write a book when he's done.

Jokes aside though he's not writing the book to try to make a profit.

dan18 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 06, 2010, 03:44:19 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 06, 2010, 02:54:13 PM

There is lots of money...even for top professionals.

Certainly not YOUR kind, moneybags..but to make that statement is simply untrue

true but outa how many pros, only a small handfull make over 100k a year its a coin toss to make bb your main income.unless you have rich parents who will support you. very risky to throw away youre life in a gym to maybe make it with nothing to fall back on thats why alot of these up and commers do the shit that they do...

Chick · « **Reply #19 on:** April 06, 2010, 04:03:30 PM »

Quote from: emn1964 on April 06, 2010, 03:14:50 PM

but Kai, for the moment, is one of the top tier of guys. the real question is what do the middle of the pack guys make?

It varries greatly, I know guys who make 50K on a supp contract...others who make next to nothing. No one says you have to rely soley on BB to make a living....WORKING a job is always a good idea.

MindSpin · « **Reply #20 on:** April 06, 2010, 04:08:26 PM »

Quote from: wavelength on April 06, 2010, 03:21:37 PM

Who the hell needs 150k for supps, food, health insurance and other expenses?

clearly you don't know what these guys are spending on gear...

MindSpin · « **Reply #21 on:** April 06, 2010, 04:10:37 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 06, 2010, 03:11:54 PM

For MOST parts of the country?? LOL....please....

I dont know what he'll do in the next few years, I'm not his accountant...I'm only responding to YOUR statement of pro BBers making no money....plenty more examples.

So, of the several thousand aspiring bodybuilders out there who hope to one day turn pro, or who are pro and hope to one day win a show, how many do you think are making $80,000/yr from bodybuilding? What percentage?

G_Thang · « **Reply #22 on:** April 06, 2010, 04:11:14 PM »

good thread. hey chick...put the numbers up like food, gear, and other expenses so we get a good idea. step up. anyway...did you work a job like ronnie or have a schmoe like oscar going thru the amateur? an insider once said you had a personal suga daddy (no homo)?

Chick · « **Reply #23 on:** April 06, 2010, 04:12:02 PM »

Quote from: MindSpin on April 06, 2010, 04:08:26 PM

clearly you don't know what these guys are spending on gear...

LOL...clearly, you dont either

dan18 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 06, 2010, 04:12:21 PM »

Quote from: MindSpin on April 06, 2010, 04:10:37 PM

So, of the several thousand aspiring bodybuilders out there who hope to one day turn pro, or who are pro and hope to one day win a show, how many do you think are making $80,000/yr from bodybuilding? What percentage?

see my above post