Is Mindspin Anti bodybuilding?

[Chick]

the guy is a clown chick,,,he is gonna back peddle you back to the future if he could,,,and say joe weider only 5 dolalrs for his publication as an example of making no money,,,

Got that right...

[ShipSekki]

 Overall bodybuilding is shady and the money isn't that good. You don't really have to be too much of an insider to see this.

 Comparing it to other sports, the mid level and low level people make much much much less money. In bodybuilding it's only the high level people making decent money.

 Of course these guys prostitute themselves. What's worse? Selling your ass to some dude for 15 minutes or slaving away somewhere for 40 hours a week?

 When I walk into a fast food chain, retail store, restaurant or some other wage job, I see the workers as whores. I lived as a corporate whore for years myself. No longer....

[Topskin69]

LOL...clearly, you dont either

I hate to agree with Chick, but he is correct here. Pros don't spend nearly as much on gear as a lot of you would like to think. Their number one expense has to be food. GH is probably #2 for the Pros that do take it on the upper end of the scale, but I doubt that many are in a position to be taking more then 4-7 I.U.s a day. Since most pros are taking Insulin now, gear is probably more cost effective, as you don't need to take as much of it....

They don't wind up looking nearly as good, but that is another story all together.

[Cleanest Natural]

Chick : 10k per show...ok...how about the restof the year as most of them rarely go off

[Captain Equipoise]

Who cares what they make from bodybuilding?  They should work a real job like everyone else.  Coleman continued to work as a cop for years after he won his first O.  Cutler still has his real estate business as far as I know. The money you make from bodybuilding should just be an added bonus - not your main source of income. 

I agree 100%, bodybuilding went to shit when all these guys started thinking they were celebrities and  stopped having regular jobs, to chase the 'dream'

[Chick]

Chick : 10k per show...ok...how about the restof the year as most of them rarely go off

Another misconception...I'm sure there are fools that dont, but for the most part, they pro's are much more educated than you believe when it comes to the "science" of BB...as I've said many times, the ones with better genetic response are the ones who outlast and exceed...the ones who need truckloads of drugs to win a novice show, dont make it too far

[WillGrant]

Another misconception...I'm sure there are fools that dont, but for the most part, they pro's are much more educated than you believe when it comes to the "science" of BB...as I've said many times, the ones with better genetic response are the ones who outlast and exceed...the ones who need truckloads of drugs to win a novice show, dont make it too far

Whats your fave drug , on and off season ?

[Chick]

Whats your fave drug , on and off season ?

Off season...none

I'm not one of those guys who really liked taking gear, I did what I had to do, but I never got into the whole scene...If anything I was very behind the times and uninterested in new stuff...

[MindSpin]

Off season...none

I'm not one of those guys who really liked taking gear, I did what I had to do, but I never got into the whole scene...If anything I was very behind the times and uninterested in new stuff...

So does that mean that you have been clean since your last show?

[Cleanest Natural]

So does that mean that you have been clean since your last show?

cannot fucking back outta dis one 

[Natural Man]

 Of course these guys prostitute themselves. What's worse? Selling your ass to some dude for 15 minutes or slaving away somewhere for 40 hours a week?

 When I walk into a fast food chain, retail store, restaurant or some other wage job, I see the workers as whores. I lived as a corporate whore for years myself. No longer....

maybe having a better education and being smarter would have helped not to be a "low wage slave" ?  retard.

[njflex]

Off season...none

I'm not one of those guys who really liked taking gear, I did what I had to do, but I never got into the whole scene...If anything I was very behind the times and uninterested in new stuff...

i like that statement.

[jtsunami]

Chick already admitted he uses hrt, whats the big deal, big man gotta stay fresh, love me some chic.

[MindSpin]

He said he didn't like taking gear and that the only reason he used it was because he had to do what he had to do.  If that's true, why is he still using

[Tito24]

He said he didn't like taking gear and that the only reason he used it was because he had to do what he had to do.  If that's true, why is he still using

he gets paid from the bodybuilding scene..My guess is he still has to use to look the part..However, he's probably just cruising on a gram a test a week.

[Chick]

He said he didn't like taking gear and that the only reason he used it was because he had to do what he had to do.  If that's true, why is he still using

Taking HRT dosages and getting ready for a show are two distinct different things (As I would think you would know)....I consider HRT no different than someone taking care of their car with oil changes, tire rotation, etc...maintaince is the key. 

[emn1964]

Taking HRT dosages and getting ready for a show are two distinct different things (As I would think you would know)....I consider HRT no different than someone taking care of their car with oil changes, tire rotation, etc...maintaince is the key. 

there are HRT doses and then there are HRT doses

[MindSpin]

Taking HRT dosages and getting ready for a show are two distinct different things (As I would think you would know)....I consider HRT no different than someone taking care of their car with oil changes, tire rotation, etc...maintaince is the key. 

So you don't like using gear, yet you still use it...I don't get it.  Even if it's in low dosages, why do you use it if you're not competing?

[emn1964]

So you don't like using gear, yet you still use it...I don't get it.  Even if it's in low dosages, why do you use it if you're not competing?

Why do you think?  Chic has defined his entire life around his body.  Without it he ceases to exist.  And he's also terrified of losing everything else in his life becasuse he aquired his life (including his relationships) thru the use of drugs.  So, he stays on...

[Alexander D]

Mindspin- are you really having such a hard time grasping this concept? Or are you gay for Bob all of a sudden and want to spend your days harassing him? lol

Any fool can see the BIG difference between using an HRT dose of testosterone vs taking a competition cycle...

I see it as no different to the fact that I HATE being piss drunk and how i feel after I had been drunk... but i enjoy a glass of wine every now and then.

-A DUB

[Alexander D]

Why do you think?  Chic has defined his entire life around his body.  Without it he ceases to exist.  And he's also terrified of losing everything else in his life becasuse he aquired his life (including his relationships) thru the use of drugs.  So, he stays on...

I think to a certain degree this is true... Chick wouldn't want to shrink down to Tom Prince size (I'm not saying that he ever WOULD... but certainly no one who has made a life of being the huge bodybuilder wants to walk around looking like a 140lbs pussy!) But I seriously think Chick is probably on HRT to keep his test levels high/normal... Given his age, he probably is experiencing some Andropause, and certainly years of steroids could have potentially shut off his own natural production...so taking 200-400mg every week or 2 weeks, would be enough to get him back to a "normal" level for someone in their 20's, 30's...40's.

And again, I see this being VERY different from taking 5,000mg of combined steroids, crazy dieting and everything else associated with COMPETITIVE bodybuilding.

-A DUB

[~UN_$ung~]

there are HRT doses and then there are HRT doses

lol, right, a typical HRT dose is like 100mgs per week,....... 200mgs if your doctor is a mensch........

bob still walks around at a reasonably lean 260-270

you cant bet your asshole he is on a much more generous dose then that, and more then one compound.  

im not calling chick a degenerate or anything, but you can TRUST me, he is downplaying the crucial role steroids played, and continue to play, in his life

i understand he has to be PC cause he has a career in the industry now, so he just cannot flaunt drug abuse

but PLEASE, do not buy in to hsi "steroids are just a finishing touch" argument,

[Eyeball Chambers]

A lot of you have PMd me asking this question, so I will answer it here.  No, I am not anti bodybuilding as I define it.  However, I am disgusted at what the "sport" is.

Some would argue that bodybuilding is a great "sport" because it's healthy, it makes you look better and if you're successful at it, it can provide fame & money.  However, the truth is that it's really not a sport, it is very unhealthy, it forces you to break the law, to the vast majority of the population you look disgusting, and it brings you fame only to Schmoes.  Of course, there is no money, even for the top professionals.

That said, I do enjoy "building my body".  I train with weights and eat a certain way so that I can have an athletic body that allows me to be strong, flexible, explosive and have strong muscle endurance. 

So, there it is. 

You weren't natural I take it? 

[Alexander D]

You are correct in that most HRT doses are 200mg per week every 2 weeks, this is for more people... I dont think either one of us can comment on what Bob's doctor gives him, or what his test levels are at... But it's not uncommon for someone to be on 400mg every 2 weeks, or 200mg weekly to get them to an appropriate level...

I don't think Bob is super lean now or 270lbs still, at least the last pics I saw of him...

I also don't think that Bob is still taking NEARLY what he used to take... Regardless of if you believe he was taking MASSIVE doses or not...

I also don't remember Bob saying that steroids were just a "finishing touch"... That was TOM PRINCE... LOL Bob has been pretty straight about it... Some guys use MASSIVE doses and look like shit, others are super gifted and dont need much... On average, I'm pretty sure 4-5,000mg per week of a combo of steroids is the norm... guys use lots more, some guys use much less...

I'd believe a guy like Ronnie, didn't need much, but probably used more as he moved up his career... I also think a guy like Levrone probably grows like a freak on 1,000mg...

Who knows... who cares...

-A DUB

[Chick]

You are correct in that most HRT doses are 200mg per week every 2 weeks, this is for more people... I dont think either one of us can comment on what Bob's doctor gives him, or what his test levels are at... But it's not uncommon for someone to be on 400mg every 2 weeks, or 200mg weekly to get them to an appropriate level...

I don't think Bob is super lean now or 270lbs still, at least the last pics I saw of him...

I also don't think that Bob is still taking NEARLY what he used to take... Regardless of if you believe he was taking MASSIVE doses or not...

I also don't remember Bob saying that steroids were just a "finishing touch"... That was TOM PRINCE... LOL Bob has been pretty straight about it... Some guys use MASSIVE doses and look like shit, others are super gifted and dont need much... On average, I'm pretty sure 4-5,000mg per week of a combo of steroids is the norm... guys use lots more, some guys use much less...

I'd believe a guy like Ronnie, didn't need much, but probably used more as he moved up his career... I also think a guy like Levrone probably grows like a freak on 1,000mg...

Who knows... who cares...

-A DUB

You are correct in that I never said "steroids are just the finishing touch"...also never said the infamous "Its only gay if you want it to be", that these fools keep misquoting...

That said...I find it quite funny how some anonymous fool here will "bet his ass", or "be sure that.." what I'm doing. Looks like he just lost his ass.  I'm not a small guy, never have been. To think I would need anywhere even close to what I used when competing to maintain 260 lbs is laughable.

There is a big difference between 250 and in competition shape, and maintaining "good" shape at 265-270...