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IRS chief: Buy health insurance or lose your tax refund
« on: April 07, 2010, 05:46:18 AM »
Individuals who don’t purchase health insurance may lose their tax refunds according to IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman. After acknowledging the recently passed health-care bill limits the agency’s options for enforcing the individual mandate, Shulman told reporters that the most likely way to penalize individuals that don’t comply is by reducing or confiscating their tax refunds.

Speaking at the National Press Club on Monday, Shulman downplayed the IRS’s role in enforcing the recent overhaul of the health insurance industry by claiming the agency would not aggressively target individuals who don’t purchase coverage. He noted that the health-care bill expressly forbids the agency from freezing bank accounts, seizing assets or pursuing criminal charges, but when pressed said the IRS would most likely use tax refund offsets to penalize those that don’t comply with the mandate. The IRS uses refund offsets to collect from individuals that owe the federal government a delinquent debt.

“These are not the kinds of things we send agents out about,” Shulman said. “These are things where you get a letter from us. Congress was very careful to make sure there was nothing too punitive in this bill.”

Many reports have claimed that enforcement of the individual mandate will be non-existent, but Shulman’s answers indicate differently. According to BusinessWeek, starting in 2015 Americans who don’t purchase insurance will be subject to a fine of $325 and that sum increases to $695 in 2016. However, the commissioner seemed confident that in most cases individuals would either receive subsidies to purchase insurance or simply do so on their own in order to comply with the law.

“The vast majority of American people have a healthy respect for the law and want to be compliant with their tax obligations,” Shulman said, mentioning letters, collection notices and offsets as among the various ways the IRS will reach out to people without coverage.

During his speech Shulman said threats against the IRS have not risen despite media reports to the contrary. He disagreed that it has become more dangerous to work for the IRS following the February incident in which a disgruntled pilot flew his plane into the agency’s Austin, Texas office, killing one employee.

“There’s been a lot of stuff in the press around increased threats, which is actually inaccurate,” Shulman said. “What there has been is increased chatter on the Internet that has an anti-government sentiment.”

He also said it is too early to know what additional resources or how many employees the IRS will need to enforce compliance with the mandate and clarified his reasons for using a professional tax preparer.

“I wouldn’t read into anything about me doing it now,” Shulman said. “I’m just a busy guy and have had good service for the past 15 years.”


http://dailycaller.com/2010/04/05/irs-chief-buy-health-insurance-or-lose-your-tax-refund/
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Re: IRS chief: Buy health insurance or lose your tax refund
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2010, 05:50:46 AM »
Everyone needs to up their deductions and expemptions and problem solved. 

Its better to owe money than get a refund. 

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Re: IRS chief: Buy health insurance or lose your tax refund
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2010, 06:03:01 AM »
I hope people exhibit Civil Disobedience here and refuse to buy Health Insurance and also refuse any kind of ramifications.

What I THINK will happen is that part of the bill, The Republican Mandate Part, will be amended and repealed.
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Re: IRS chief: Buy health insurance or lose your tax refund
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2010, 06:05:30 AM »
You mean the stupid idea the GOP floated in 1993 but that the DEMOCRATS adopted and signed into law in 2010? 

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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2010, 06:07:40 AM »
You mean the stupid idea the GOP floated in 1993 but that the DEMOCRATS adopted and signed into law in 2010? 

Yeah that piece of shit idea.  Why on earth would anyone think that this is a good idea?  I cannot stand the Federal or the State government forcing you to buy a product.
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2010, 06:10:24 AM »
Its a horrible idea for anything and promotes massive cost increases, worse service, and less freedom. 

Both parties are in absolute psycho mode right now. 

I cant think of anything that assaults the idea of "freedom" than having a mandate to purchase private health insurance simply for the fact that you are breathing. 

The auto insurance thing is debatable since you are not forced to drive a vehicle and that is a choice.  However, to have a mandate to purchase private insurance for the simple fact you are alive to me is insane on so many levels. 

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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2010, 06:21:00 AM »
Its a horrible idea for anything and promotes massive cost increases, worse service, and less freedom.  

Both parties are in absolute psycho mode right now.  

I cant think of anything that assaults the idea of "freedom" than having a mandate to purchase private health insurance simply for the fact that you are breathing.  

The auto insurance thing is debatable since you are not forced to drive a vehicle and that is a choice.  However, to have a mandate to purchase private insurance for the simple fact you are alive to me is insane on so many levels.  
What pisses me off is that The Republicans who proposed this idea of an Individual Mandate and supported it are now bullshitting by pretending to be against it.  Check out what Republican Grassley said last year in June:


http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/5465781-individual-mandate-to-purchase-health-insurance

In June of last year Republican Senator Grassley was on Fox News and this is what he said about the individual mandate:When it comes to states requiring [individual mandates] for automobile insurance, the principle then ought to lie the same way for health insurance. Because everybody has some health insurance costs, and if you aren’t insured, there’s no free lunch. Somebody else is paying for it….I believe that there is a bipartisan consensus to have individual mandates.
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2010, 06:26:42 AM »
Those scum bags need to go and we need term limits asap. 

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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2010, 06:32:22 AM »
Those scum bags need to go and we need term limits asap. 
Both need a clean house.
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Re: IRS chief: Buy health insurance or lose your tax refund
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2010, 07:05:05 AM »
Once again, whoever thinks it's okay for the IRS to impose the penalties and fines has their head up their asses. 

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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2010, 07:06:40 AM »
Once again, whoever thinks it's okay for the IRS to impose the penalties and fines has their head up their asses. 

Take it up with Straw, Benny, 240, Blacken, et al. 

I tried explaining this to them, but just like prior to the election, they got all caught up in the idea of getting free stuff and were too busy to be concerned with the details.   

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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2010, 07:30:45 AM »
Honestly, the best thing that we can do is to vote out the super progressives in November or at least put in enough representatives that are more fiscally minded and anti-large government so we can block this progressive agenda.
Even if some of these ideas sound ok to us, what we are doing is slowly and progressively granting the federal government more power over us.  This administration paints a pleasant picture but they are growing government like no one since FDR.

I don't want Bush's war nor do I want Obama's social engineering and outrageous government power & spending.

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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2010, 07:34:36 AM »
Honestly, the best thing that we can do is to vote out the super progressives in November or at least put in enough representatives that are more fiscally minded and anti-large government so we can block this progressive agenda.
Even if some of these ideas sound ok to us, what we are doing is slowly and progressively granting the federal government more power over us.  This administration paints a pleasant picture but they are growing government like no one since FDR.

I don't want Bush's war nor do I want Obama's social engineering and outrageous government power & spending.

Damn right!  Vote third party or for the person, not party lines!

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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2010, 07:35:58 AM »
Once again, whoever thinks it's okay for the IRS to impose the penalties and fines has their head up their asses. 

Take it up with Straw, Benny, 240, Blacken, et al.  

I tried explaining this to them, but just like prior to the election, they got all caught up in the idea of getting free stuff and were too busy to be concerned with the details.  

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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2010, 07:37:45 AM »
Take it up with Straw, Benny, 240, Blacken, et al.  

I tried explaining this to them, but just like prior to the election, they got all caught up in the idea of getting free stuff and were too busy to be concerned with the details.  

I don't think 240 wants this.  I think what aggravates you and Billy about him is that he simply states the silver lining with everything.  It comes off as either agreeing with it or being on the fence with it. 

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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2010, 07:52:12 AM »
Honestly, the best thing that we can do is to vote out the super progressives in November or at least put in enough representatives that are more fiscally minded and anti-large government so we can block this progressive agenda.
Even if some of these ideas sound ok to us, what we are doing is slowly and progressively granting the federal government more power over us.  This administration paints a pleasant picture but they are growing government like no one since FDR.

I don't want Bush's war nor do I want Obama's social engineering and outrageous government power & spending.
Uh No.

 There are NO Super Progressive Ideas in this bill. NONE.  Super Progressives want Single Payer, Universal Healthcare (with the option for those who want Private Insurance) which is way cheaper Per Capita than any other method....You know, what the rest of the civilized world operates on.

STOP fishing the myth that this bill was written by Super Progressives.  It wasn`t.  There is nothing Super Progressive about this whatsoever.  The Super Progressive voice was silenced by the Conservatives, The Conserva-Dems and the Republicans.

You do realize that the Super Progressives are against the Health Insurance Industry and that the Republicans are owned subsidiaries of the Health Insurance Companies and want to continue lining the pockets by allowing them to deny care simply be keeping them at the table.

Why would you want to vote in more people who want to keep the Health Insurance Giants Fat and preserve the Status Quo?  You are not making any sense whatsoever with your counterintuitive approach.

AGAIN, THERE WAS NO SUPER PROGRESSIVE HAND IN THIS BILL.
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Re: IRS chief: Buy health insurance or lose your tax refund
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2010, 07:56:47 AM »
it certainly wasnt Milton Friedman or Adam Smith. 

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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2010, 07:58:19 AM »
Take it up with Straw, Benny, 240, Blacken, et al.  

I tried explaining this to them, but just like prior to the election, they got all caught up in the idea of getting free stuff and were too busy to be concerned with the details.  
You do realize that Republicans were for the Mandate.  Look at Grassley`s statement above from last year regarding the Mandate.  Grassley was one of the "gang of six" who wrote the fuckign bill.  You do realize there were 3 Republicans, him being one of them and 3 CONSERVA-DEM, moderate piece of shits that wrote the bill.

Grassley`s mandate made it in there and the Buying Across state lines provision allows Congress to regulate it.  Thanks Republicans and Moderate piece of shit Conserva-Dems that Shootfighter loves, FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
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Re: IRS chief: Buy health insurance or lose your tax refund
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2010, 07:59:59 AM »
You do realize that Republicans were for the Mandate.  Look at Grassley`s statement above from last year regarding the Mandate.  Grassley was one of the "gang of six" who wrote the fuckign bill.  You do realize there were 3 Republicans, him being one of them and 3 CONSERVA-DEM, moderate piece of shits that wrote the bill.

Grassley`s mandate made it in there.

The GOP had nothing to do with this bill and cut the crap.  Grassley voted against the bill every step of the way this go around.  He had nothing to do with ObamaCare.   

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Re: IRS chief: Buy health insurance or lose your tax refund
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2010, 08:02:59 AM »
Sure would be nice if we could just abolish the IRS...adopt the fairtax and call it a day. This guy is standing in his ivory tower making threats toward the people he is supposed to be working for. Problem is a fairtax would make life pretty simple and put a bunch of tax attorney and CPAs out of work. It may be in your best interests but it's not for the special interests.

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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2010, 08:05:44 AM »
The GOP had nothing to do with this bill and cut the crap.  Grassley voted against the bill every step of the way this go around.  He had nothing to do with ObamaCare.   
You do concede that there is NOTHING Progressive about this bill correct?  Name one Progressive idea in this bill.

This is the EXACT same plan shit Bob Dole tried, The EXACT same shit the Republicans proposed against Hillary in 1993, this is the EXACT same Shit bill that Mitt Romney enacted.

Tell me, where is the Progressive Voice in this bill.  There is none.  Its Republican in Nature, Moderate Piece of Shit ConservaDEM approved.

True Progressives and Liberals are irate.  Can`t ya tell.  And then to have Shootfighter call this Super Progressive is just ignorant.

This is bill is FAR from Obama`s ideology and is a Center, Far Right approach.  Just look at the other plans proposed by the Republicans that are eerily similar almost to the T.
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Re: IRS chief: Buy health insurance or lose your tax refund
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2010, 08:08:56 AM »
You do concede that there is NOTHING Progressive about this bill correct?  Name one Progressive idea in this bill.

This is the EXACT same plan shit Bob Dole tried, The EXACT same shit the Republicans proposed against Hillary in 1993, this is the EXACT same Shit bill that Mitt Romney enacted.

Tell me, where is the Progressive Voice in this bill.  There is none.  Its Republican in Nature, Moderate Piece of Shit ConservaDEM approved.

True Progressives and Liberals are irate.  Can`t ya tell.  And then to have Shootfighter call this Super Progressive is just ignorant.

This is bill is FAR from Obama`s ideology and is a Center, Far Right approach.  Just look at the other plans proposed by the Republicans that are eerily similar almost to the T.

Who cares who was for it? The bill sucks ass.

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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2010, 08:09:40 AM »
The GOP had nothing to do with this bill and cut the crap.  Grassley voted against the bill every step of the way this go around.  He had nothing to do with ObamaCare.    
Why this then?

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/grassley-look-how-great-this-health-care-bill-is.php

Grassley: Look How Great This Health Care Bill Is

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) has long been a vocal critic of the Democrat's health reform efforts, but today he started taking credit for some provisions of the bill, and talking up his own role in crafting the legislation.

In a release sent out by his staff to reporters today, Grassley says the bill will "hold tax-exempt hospitals accountable for the federal tax benefits they receive" thanks to his work.

The full text of his release is after the jump.

Grassley has been among the most vocal opponents of Democratic reform over the past year, but he's also known as one of the biggest flip-floppers on the issue.

At the start of the process, Grassley was expected to be among those Senators working to craft a bipartisan bill. But it wasn't long before he abandoned that effort, and helped to start the "death panel" meme heard at town halls across the country throughout last summer.

[TPM PHOTO FEATURE: The Evolution Of The Death Panel Meme]

Later on, Grassley joined with the Republicans in condemning the bill's medicare provisions. He jumped through several rhetorical hoops when he tried to explain his position in support Medicare while also attacking the idea of a public option last September.

"Medicare is part of the social fabric of America," he said. "And I think there's a lot wrong with it."

Now, Grassley seems to be jumping through the same hoops after the bill has been signed, talking up the changes reforms he once said will allow the government to "decide when to pull the plug on Grandma" are making to the health care system.

In the memo send out to reporters by his staff on on the Senate Finance Commitee, Grassley claims that the bill will ensure that "Congress, the IRS, and the public will now
have additional tools and information to ensure that charitable hospitals act charitably."

There's a reason the bill is so good when it comes to hospitals, Grassley's staff writes -- bipartisanship.

"The health care legislation signed into law yesterday includes provisions Grassley co-authored to impose standards for the tax exemption of charitable hospitals for the first time," his Finance Committee press staff writes.

Grassley has been and on-again, off-again fan of the concept during the health care debate. At first, he was a member of the so-called Gang Of Six, a group of Finance Committee Senators who tried to draft a bill, they said, that would be appealing to both sides of the aisle. At the time, Grassley said any successful health care bill should have 80 votes for final passage.

Then, in statements generally recognized as not being conducive to bipartisanship, Grassley said the government was a "predator" (though he admitted he had prospered in part by living off "the public tit") and said that his Democratic colleagues were supporting a bill that would create death panels and kill grandma.

Shortly after that, Grassley said he wanted to find a bipartisanship solution again, and went looking for a new group to help him do it. That didn't work out.

So, though he admits that the final bill has his language about charitable hospitals in it, does Grassley support this bipartisan bill? Well, not exactly, his staff told me.

"Overall, no," Grassley's press secretary Jill Gerber told me when I asked her if the hospital stuff meant that Grassely thought the reform bill was worth passing.

"There are some things that he supports," she said. "That's true of a lot of large bills like this."

See the full text of the memo, send to reporters this morning, below:

M E M O R A N D U M

To: Reporters and Editors

Re: tax-exempt hospitals provisions in new health care law

Da: Wednesday, March 24, 2010

   Sen. Chuck Grassley, ranking member of the Committee on Finance, with
jurisdiction over taxes, has worked to hold tax-exempt hospitals accountable for the federal tax benefits they receive. The health care legislation signed into law yesterday includes provisions Grassley co-authored to impose standards for the tax exemption of
charitable hospitals for the first time.
The bill requires that a hospital complete a community needs assessment once every three years and adopt and publicize a financial assistance policy; prohibits billing those who qualify for financial assistance the top rates; and prohibits a hospital from taking extraordinary collection actions if the hospital has not made reasonable efforts to notify patients of its financial assistance policy.

The bill also requires the IRS to review the tax-exempt status of each hospital every three years; requires Treasury and Health and Human Services to submit an annual report to Congress on the level of charity care, bad debt expenses and the unreimbursed costs of means-tested and non-means-tested government programs; and requires Treasury and HHS to provide a report in five years on the trends on the items reported on an annual basis.

Grassley made the following comment on the advancement of these provisions.

"Tax-exempt hospitals don't have many measures of accountability for their special status. The law hasn't given them much direction, and so they've defined standards for themselves. Sometimes that's resulted in providing very little charitable patient care or other community benefits, failing to publicize charitable care to patients, charging
indigent, uninsured patients more than insured patients, and using very aggressive collection practices. The Government Accountability Office and others, including the former IRS commissioner, have said for a long time that there is often no discernible difference between the operations of taxable and tax-exempt hospitals. These new provisions are modeled after principles and polices that the Catholic Health Association has had in place for years. I appreciate the association's willingness to have honest, forthright conversations about charitable hospitals' activities. The provisions take steps to differentiate tax-exempt hospitals from for-profit hospitals and provide further transparency about tax-exempt hospitals' fulfilling their charitable mission. Congress, the IRS, and the public will now have additional tools and information to ensure that charitable hospitals act charitably."

The provisions enacted in the new health care law are the result of
Grassley's leadership on tax-exempt organizations' accountability and
transparency, including hospitals. In 2005, he sent letters of inquiry to some of the nation's largest tax-exempt hospitals. In 2006, he convened a hearing and released a summary of the hospitals' responses. In 2007, he released a staff discussion draft of potential legislative reforms and convened a roundtable of experts to discuss the potential reforms. In 2008, he followed up with letters of inquiry to more hospitals and received a report he'd requested from the Government Accountability Office. In 2009, he drafted legislative reforms and succeeded in persuading the Democratic majority to include several of the reforms in the new health care law.
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