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April 7, 2010 12:01 AM
California Democrat proposes mandatory gun registration
Posted by Declan McCullagh
www.cbsnews.com


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A California Democrat is proposing a new law requiring residents to register their shotguns and rifles or go to jail, CBSNews.com has learned.

Assemblyman Mike Feuer, whose district includes Beverly Hill and West Hollywood, this week introduced legislation ordering law enforcement to "permanently keep" records of anyone who buys a gun from a dealer or an individual. California already stores information about handgun purchases.

Feuer is no friend of firearms owners: his previous legislative effort, which Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law, required all new handguns to include "microstamping" technology that can imprint serial numbers on spent ammunition casings. As a Los Angeles city councilman, Feuer proposed limiting city residents to one gun a month.

Feuer spokeswoman Arianna Smith declined to answer questions about the bill on Tuesday afternoon, saying the staff member involved was in a meeting and not immediately available.

The proposal comes as the U.S. Supreme Court is considering a landmark civil rights case, McDonald v. Chicago, which will decide whether Second Amendment rights in the federal constitution trump state anti-gun laws. But California is proposing mandatory registration -- and not a flat ban, as Washington, D.C. once tried and the justices rejected -- and even legal scholars specializing in this area disagree about whether registration is constitutional.

"Even though the constitutionality of such a measure is a close call, it is a horrible public policy choice," says Gene Hoffman, chairman of the CalGuns Foundation. "Just as Canada is about to do away with their long gun registry after squandering $1 billion, California wishes to attack law abiding gun owners for firearms not used in crime."

A CBC News article last month reported that the Canadian parliament is backing away from the nation's gun registry, which was enacted in 1989 and has now come under fire by critics who call it a billion-dollar boondoggle.

Feuer's bill isn't exactly a surprise: He told the Brady Campaign, an anti-gun advocacy group, earlier this year that his forthcoming proposal would give law enforcement another tool to track down people in possession of illegal firearms. "This legislation will close a glaring loophole and ensure that all firearm records, not just handgun records, are maintained for law enforcement purposes," Ellen Boneparth, spokesperson for the California Brady Campaign Chapters, said in a statement at the time.

Feuer appears to have adopted an unusual approach to introducing his mandatory registration bill. He took an existing piece of criminal legislation, AB 1810, that dealt with graffiti and vandalism, and replaced it with a completely new version with the same bill number.

A hearing is scheduled for April 13 in Sacramento before the California State Assembly's Committee on Public Safety.

At the moment, a minority of states including New York, Maryland, California, New Jersey, and Massachusetts require mandatory registration for handguns. Others, like Pennsylvania, require sales of handguns to go through a dealer, who keeps records of the transaction.

No federal firearm registry exists, though some anti-gun types have pushed for one in the past. An unsuccessful 1995 bill, H.R. 169, would have imposed California-style registration of handguns nationwide through a "federal handgun registration system." Violations would have been punished by up to 12 years in prison. The author of the bill, Rep. Cardiss Collins, D-Illinois, told her colleagues at the time that "I still believe the best way to control handguns is to ban them outright."

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Yeah, the criminals are going to follow this one.  ::)  ::)

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Jesus...cue someone to say this is a good idea and that government has a right to know what we own.  Do you have to register your long guns 333?  We don't!  hahahahahaha I flash my CWP, pay, then I'm out the door with a new toy!  This is also a shall issue state...we are also slowly getting a few pro-gun laws passed ourselves.  Come on down here if you want a taste of a little freedom.   ;D

That goes for anybody who likes to shoot.

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Jesus...cue someone to say this is a good idea and that government has a right to know what we own.  Do you have to register your long guns 333?  We don't!  hahahahahaha I flash my CWP, pay, then I'm out the door with a new toy!  This is also a shall issue state...we are also slowly getting a few pro-gun laws passed ourselves.  Come on down here if you want a taste of a little freedom.   ;D

That goes for anybody who likes to shoot.

No, we dont have to register long arms.  The dealers calls in the NIC check, drivers' license and you are out the door. 

For handguns its a much different situation altogether. 

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No, we dont have to register long arms.  The dealers calls in the NIC check, drivers' license and you are out the door. 

For handguns its a much different situation altogether. 

yeah, we get to walk right out with handguns too.  You don't even have to have a permit to keep a loaded one in your center console or in your glove box.  Can you have more then 10 round magazines there? 

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In this case Federal Law is on the side of Gun Owners as there is no Federal Firearm Registry whatsoever.  This is an instance where States Rights can be detrimental and the Federal Law is a better law.

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yeah, we get to walk right out with handguns too.  You don't even have to have a permit to keep a loaded one in your center console or in your glove box.  Can you have more then 10 round magazines there? 

Only if they pre-date 1994

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well, all I've heard about is how the States should have the right to make all the decisions on everything, and that the Federal govt should stay out of it.

here you go.  Suck on that, you liberal ass california bitches.  Some POS gun legislation.  Can't blame obama for this one.  You wanted states' power, you got it. 

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States rights blow in this instance.  The Ron Poopers would disagree.
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Only if they pre-date 1994


That sucks.

No, state rights should still exist, but Federal law should still supercede this as the 2nd ammendment clearly states...shall not be infringed.  This is an infringement on those rights.  Just like the current laws in D.C. are.  When you make it harder to own a firearm just for the sake of doing it(don't kid yourselves, that's exactly what state governments do) that is a wrongful infringement period.

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That sucks.

No, state rights should still exist, but Federal law should still supercede this as the 2nd ammendment clearly states...shall not be infringed.  This is an infringement on those rights.  Just like the current laws in D.C. are.  When you make it harder to own a firearm just for the sake of doing it(don't kid yourselves, that's exactly what state governments do) that is a wrongful infringement period.

This is why the gun shows, when they happen in NY are HUGE! 

The only reason I go is to get shit I can get anywhere else like the mags, etc. 

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We have to wait 15 days after buying a handgun in CA already.... Good luck getting people to register anything. Of course, the democrats are going to try.... It will be another thing they can tax in this state.

They don't want to find 4 million illegalss, but they sure as hell want to know where all the (legal) guns are...  ::)

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States rights blow in this instance.  The Ron Poopers would disagree.

Great to have you back True Adonis.

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We have to go through about a 6 month process to get a pistol license, which is not a CCW.  Its restricted to the home and to and from the range. 

Then, every time you add a pistol to your permit, you have to file with the county.  The dealer holds the gun until the amendment is processed which can take a month or two.  Its insane. 

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We have to wait 15 days after buying a handgun in CA already.... Good luck getting people to register anything. Of course, the democrats are going to try.... It will be another thing they can tax in this state.

They don't want to find 4 million illegalss, but they sure as hell want to know where all the (legal) guns are...  ::)
I don`t believe in Registering my Cars, so I don`t do that either.  I am just amazed at how people have given so much power away to their State Governments.

What IS the fuckign benefit to anyone to have their car registered?  I wish more people would do as I do and simply not comply.
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We have to go through about a 6 month process to get a pistol license, which is not a CCW.  Its restricted to the home and to and from the range. 

Then, every time you add a pistol to your permit, you have to file with the county.  The dealer holds the gun until the amendment is processed which can take a month or two.  Its insane. 

What is the reasoning behind having to register a pistol versus not having to register a Rifle?  Is it because a handgun is smaller and can be concealed easier?  Certainly rifles are way more powerful with much more destructive force.

Can anyone tell me the silly reasoning why one is registered and not the other?  I`d like to know.
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I don`t believe in Registering my Cars, so I don`t do that either.  I am just amazed at how people have given so much power away to their State Governments.

What IS the fuckign benefit to anyone to have their car registered?  I wish more people would do as I do and simply not comply.

DMV makes good money off of re-registration, yearly emissions inspections, etc.  They also make good money on tickets for overdue registration etc.  

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haha "registered guns" hahaha, I wouldn't even know how to.

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DMV makes good money off of re-registration, yearly emissions inspections, etc.  They also make good money on tickets for overdue registration etc.  
Exactly.  Now THAT is one department I`d LOVE to see fully killed.  They don`t offer anything.  There is no evidence that the driving "test" they give even works- prevents accidents or ensures that drivers on the road are qualified.

I don`t comply with any of it.  I ride around with a Dealer tag or a Temporary 30 day tag that I have had for years on all my cars.

The Police do not have any way to track either tag nor is there any sort of database for them. They can`t even run your plate if they are behind you.  They definitely don`t want to waste time with it either. Try it.  You will love it.  ;)
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Another way is to keep changing ownership but don`t change the Car title.  Just keep a new Bill of Sale in the glove.
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you need a handgun so you can be safe while out in public and conceal the weapon.

you need a rifle/shotgun/longarm to keep the homefront safe.  You're only gonna get a few rounds off before the bad guy gets you, or you get him, or he runs.  You'd always prefer to destroy the guy with a shotgun blast, than wound him with a 9mm.  And if you want to kill him and the 2 guys behind him, a rifle is a good choice :)

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you need a handgun so you can be safe while out in public and conceal the weapon.

you need a rifle/shotgun/longarm to keep the homefront safe.  You're only gonna get a few rounds off before the bad guy gets you, or you get him, or he runs.  You'd always prefer to destroy the guy with a shotgun blast, than wound him with a 9mm.  And if you want to kill him and the 2 guys behind him, a rifle is a good choice :)

12gauge all the way!

It's stupid policy to make people have a "waiting period" for firearms.  Tell me that isn't an infringement.

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Gun control is not about guns, its about control. 

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What is the reasoning behind having to register a pistol versus not having to register a Rifle?  Is it because a handgun is smaller and can be concealed easier?  Certainly rifles are way more powerful with much more destructive force.

Can anyone tell me the silly reasoning why one is registered and not the other?  I`d like to know.


Same deal as with assault rifles.

It's easy for the democrats to rally the soccer mom crowd behind regulating or banning them. The average person sees handguns as 'evil'.

Hard to get the masses to go after hunting rifles or shotguns.

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The "Assault Weapons" sideshow is a joke meant to get soccer sluts' panties all up in a wad.  Its a non issue to all but the Brady crowd.     

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Well that may be true, but they are still illegal here.

Technically, my 10-22 is illegal!