he wasn't the best player on his team and would only have 1 title without shaq
it is absurd to put him in the same category as jordan, if he wins this year i'll put him ahead of pippen
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Pippen a better player than Kobe? That's laugh out loud funny.
I think the whole "greatest player ever" discussions (regardless of sport) are pretty subjective. For example, I've never seen Oscar Robertson play, but some think he was the greatest ever. He may have averaged a triple double for his career (they apparently didn't keep those stats then). Others who didn't watch the game in the 80s may not know what a dominant player Kevin McHale was. Or what a beast Moses Malone was. Or how good Mo Cheeks, Isaiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, and Dennis Rodman (before he lost his mind) were.
Regarding Jordan, I have him somewhere around 3rd, behind Kobe and Magic, and maybe just ahead of Bird. If we were talking positions or all-time greatest teams, mine would look something like this:
C: Shaq/Kareem
PF: McHale
SF: Bird
SG: Kobe/Jordan
PG: Magic
What is it that you saw during the 2000-2003 Laker championship run that to led you to conclude that Kobe "rode shaq's coattails for years"?