Why Does Jon Stewart Always Own Fox News

[Dos Equis]

Yes, but I'm not Japanese, I'm an American. If the Japanese choose to do that, it's their problem. I certainly do not want any Americans taking part in civilian massacres. My problem is that our military actions are not talked about at all from a critical perspective. I mean, we just invaded a country (Iraq) for the second time, we've humiliated their peoples beyond belief, the US-sponsored sanctions killed millions of Iraqis, and yet... people show no shame whatsoever. You go to Germany and you'll find out that people are pissed mad with the older generations not standing up to Hitler and putting such a dark stain in such a glorious past. Over here? 15 million dead motherfuckers and we boast about it like we just invented water.

I'm not sure who you've talked with, but I hear and engage in discussions all the time about war "from a critical perspective."  Our military has very strict rules of engagement.  We prosecute soldiers who violate those rules.  Collateral damage is one of the unfortunate and unavoidable aspects of war.  Also, collateral damage will always be greater when the enemy uses civilians as human shields.   

What's the source for your claim that "US-sponsored sanctions killed millions of Iraqis"? 

[Skip8282]

You go to Germany and you'll find out that people are pissed mad with the older generations not standing up to Hitler and putting such a dark stain in such a glorious past.

No they don't.  I lived in Germany for 6 years and I can only think of a few times where the issue came up and never once did I see or hear any angst towards the older generations. 

Have you ever even been to Germany?

[Slapper]

Hahaha...first it's show me any country...now it's, well don't count China and Russia.  Way to show that lack of intelligence.

Lack of intelligence because I said the US, Russia and China are the #1 killers on this earth. I'm actually wrong, I think AIDS is the # 1 reason right now. But we're right in there between ebola and malaria!!

As for the rest of your dribble, you and I are just going in circles...

No, where I'm from, what I just did to you is called "schooling".

Now, take notes and don't argue.

Have a nice week end.

[Slapper]

I'm not sure who you've talked with, but I hear and engage in discussions all the time about war "from a critical perspective."  Our military has very strict rules of engagement.  We prosecute soldiers who violate those rules.  Collateral damage is one of the unfortunate and unavoidable aspects of war.  Also, collateral damage will always be greater when the enemy uses civilians as human shields.    

What's the source for your claim that "US-sponsored sanctions killed millions of Iraqis"?  

Sure, here.

And this is back in 2001. Later estimates talk about a number closer to 2 million.

But you guys knew about this already! Come on, it was all over the place!

[Skip8282]

Lack of intelligence because I said the US, Russia and China are the #1 killers on this earth.

Uh..no, that's not what you said.

Here's what you said -

Now, that's an ignorant statement... if there ever was one. What country dwarfs our 350-year killing spree?

To which I replied -

Are you actually that dumb?  The atomic bombs didn't even hit the millions in casualties.  Joseph Stalin ALONE is way over that.  Again, educate yourself.  Mao, Lenin, Pol-pot, Pasha, Wilhelm II...

Which is when you "suddenly" excluded Russia and China -

Tally up all the innocent civilian deaths due to direct and indirect military action (by country) and you tell me who is better at this mass killings game than us (aside from China and Russia).

And that is what's called a schooling...

Have a nice week end.

Thanks, you too.  Have to go cut the grass now.  All this global warming and cooling is making my yard grow like its on gear.

[Slapper]

No they don't.  I lived in Germany for 6 years and I can only think of a few times where the issue came up and never once did I see or hear any angst towards the older generations. 

Have you ever even been to Germany?

Read up.

[Dos Equis]

Sure, here.

And this is back in 2001. Later estimates talk about a number closer to 2 million.

But you guys knew about this already! Come on, it was all over the place!

I read most of the link.  It actually cites estimates from 106,000 to 500,000. 

[Slapper]

I read most of the link.  It actually cites estimates from 106,000 to 500,000.

Like I said, that's because it's from 2001.

Do a search in google for "Iraq sanctions & deaths" and let me know.

[Dos Equis]

Like I said, that's because it's from 2001.

Do a search in google for "Iraq sanctions & deaths" and let me know.

No, I'm not doing a search to support numbers you used.  You claim US-led sanctions killed a million Iraqis.  You then gave me link that provided an unconfirmed range of 106,000 to 500,000. 

We've discussed exaggerated death tolls many times on the board.  That's why I asked for your source.  Does not sound accurate. 

[Slapper]

Uh..no, that's not what you said.

Here's what you said -



To which I replied -



Which is when you "suddenly" excluded Russia and China -



And that is what's called a schooling...




Thanks, you too.  Have to go cut the grass now.  All this global warming and cooling is making my yard grow like its on gear.

Dude, read. Read.

My "that's an ignorant statement... if there ever was one. What country dwarfs our 350-year killing spree?" comment was in response to yours of "If you wanted to start point out Europian, Asian, or African atrocities, the lists would dwarf this country". And I stand behind my response, since you seem to know a country that DWARFS the US in mass murder. You're the one who made the claim, not me. Don't backtrack now! Tell us, which country are you talking about?

You see, you took one of my comments, ran (incorrectly) with what you though was my opinion and saw to it to embarrass yourself further by quoting your own mistake without even knowing it. That kind of dumb takes years of training my friend.

Are you sure you're gonna cut the grass? I bet you're gonna smoke it!  

[Slapper]

No, I'm not doing a search to support numbers you used.  You claim US-led sanctions killed a million Iraqis.  You then gave me link that provided an unconfirmed range of 106,000 to 500,000. 

We've discussed exaggerated death tolls many times on the board.  That's why I asked for your source.  Does not sound accurate. 

No problem: Here.

Notice the line "the United Nations estimated that more than 1.2 million people, including 750,000 children under 5, died because of lack of food and medicine between 1991 and 1997".

Will that suffice?

[Dos Equis]

No problem: Here.

Notice the line "the United Nations estimated that more than 1.2 million people, including 750,000 children under 5, died because of lack of food and medicine between 1991 and 1997".

Will that suffice?

Much better.    

I do think there is a huge leap between "US-led sanctions" and the estimated death of 1.2 people.  I think the person responsible for the death of Iraqis was Saddam.  I've talked to a number of soldiers who have been stationed in Iraq and they said many parts of the country is Third World, while Saddam lived in several palaces with literally about a billion dollars under this mattress.   

[BM OUT]

Just a few weeks back Stewart made Olbermann look like the ass that he is.I dont think he cares who he goes after

[Soul Crusher]

We spend way too much time on this site arguing over tv comedians and personalities. 

Stewart is just capitilizing off the silliness of others, which is fine, but really there are better ways to spend time. 

Perhaps you libs should spend more time reading the constitution and federalist papers and less time watching comedians and idiots like maddow and olbermann?

[Slapper]

[...]Perhaps you libs should spend more time reading the constitution[...]

I think they would read it but... conservatives kinda have wiped their asses with the Constitution so many times it's impossible to read the writing on it anymore.

[Slapper]

Much better.    

I do think there is a huge leap between "US-led sanctions" and the estimated death of 1.2 people.  I think the person responsible for the death of Iraqis was Saddam.  I've talked to a number of soldiers who have been stationed in Iraq and they said many parts of the country is Third World, while Saddam lived in several palaces with literally about a billion dollars under this mattress.

That's what I thought too, initially. But then I started looking into one of the biggest components of that 1.2 million souls and... let's just say it doesn't make us look very good:



Looks like Sadam was actually doing a better job than we thought: The infant mortality rate between 1990, the year of the Gulf War, and 2009 increased 125%.  Here.

This one is mostly us too.

Unfortunately.

Sad but true.

[Dos Equis]

That's what I thought too, initially. But then I started looking into one of the biggest components of that 1.2 million souls and... let's just say it doesn't make us look very good:



Looks like Sadam was actually doing a better job than we thought: The infant mortality rate between 1990, the year of the Gulf War, and 2009 increased 125%.  Here.

This one is mostly us too.

Unfortunately.

Sad but true.

There is still a disconnect.  The graph is an oversimplification.  Sanctions didn't take any food off the table.  Iraq always had enough money and resources to feed its people and care for infants.  I think the assertion that "US-led sanctions" killed 1.2 million people would be much stronger if the sanctions bankrupted the country, or cut off the majority of the country's resources, and the people who normally survived only because of government assistance starved to death, etc.  

[Skip8282]

Read up.

Read it.  Absolutely nothing to support your claim.  The only thing this article mentions is they don't like being compared to Hitler.  Guess what...Bush and Obama probably don't like the comparison either. 

So again, do you have anything to back up your bullshit claim of, "You go to Germany and you'll find out that people are pissed mad with the older generations not standing up to Hitler and putting such a dark stain in such a glorious past."

[Skip8282]

And I stand behind my response, since you seem to know a country that DWARFS the US in mass murder. You're the one who made the claim, not me. Don't backtrack now! Tell us, which country are you talking about?

Hahaha, way to continue making an ass of yourself.  You don't know the countries represented by the people I named?  hahahaha...idiot.

I'll slow down for you. 

Stalin = Soviet Union

Are you sure you're gonna cut the grass? I bet you're gonna smoke it! 

Nah, can't anymore.  Wife, kids, mortgage, job...real responsibility...unfortu nately...

[24KT]

Bottom line:

Every country in the world does some fvvcked up shit.  It's that simple.  They're not saints, and neither are we.  . 

End of story.  There are no saints present.

nuh-uh, ...Canadians are saints

...unless you want to count what they did and continue to do to the native population,
...then there was that nasty bit with slavery that they try to convince the whole world including themselves that there was never any slavery in Canada. then there was the constant undermining of the Quebecois til some of them started taking up terrorism as a hobby. other than that... we Canadians are saints. 

[Slapper]

Read it.  Absolutely nothing to support your claim.  The only thing this article mentions is they don't like being compared to Hitler.  Guess what...Bush and Obama probably don't like the comparison either.  

So again, do you have anything to back up your bullshit claim of, "You go to Germany and you'll find out that people are pissed mad with the older generations not standing up to Hitler and putting such a dark stain in such a glorious past."

First of all, it is not a claim, it is an observation. There is a difference. And to be honest with you it comes not from the crack of my ass, but from reading an interesting article (I can't find it now-which in your language pretty much translates into an "Aha! There's a lie" on your part) on German Holocaust guilt and it being a phenomenom that affects the post-WWII generations.

In all honesty I posted the link because I though you were going to actually read it and get something out of it, but since you're in full willfully blind mode I suspect that unless you read or hear a German youth say "I hate my grandpa" I'll be wasting my time. 

In the very same text you claim you did not see "anything": "You never get rid of that. Everything that happens in this country we compare to the German past, to the Nazi dictatorship. Germans are much more aware of their past than most other countries in the world. And that is at least one thing that is good, coming out of such a terrible past."

Or "We are very sceptical about things, so we are sceptical when people admire politicians, we're sceptical about mass movements, we are very critical about what the police do, what the judicial system does. I think you have to think about your past to get rid of it."

If you can't notice any of the German Holocaust guilt in those words then you might as well call it a day rosy cheeks.

[Slapper]

Hahaha, way to continue making an ass of yourself.  You don't know the countries represented by the people I named?  hahahaha...idiot.

I'll slow down for you. 

Stalin = Soviet Union

That's all you've got? You said "If you wanted to start point out Europian, Asian, or African atrocities, the lists would dwarf this country" and all you can come up with is Russia + the stans (A.K.A. the Soviet Union, which I asked you not to name, along with China, since you knew of so many other countries that had a worst record than ours)?

Also notice I said "during the last 350 years". If you involve Viet Nam, slavery, the Native American Holocaust, WWI, WWII, Korean War and other conflicts... I bet you're now peeing in your pants.

[MindSpin]

You don't need to believe that Stewart in credible to watch he's show.  95% of it is him playing video clips of both dems & republicans making asses of themselves. 

[Skip8282]

That's all you've got? You said "If you wanted to start point out Europian, Asian, or African atrocities, the lists would dwarf this country" and all you can come up with is Russia + the stans (A.K.A. the Soviet Union, which I asked you not to name, along with China, since you knew of so many other countries that had a worst record than ours)?

Also notice I said "during the last 350 years". If you involve Viet Nam, slavery, the Native American Holocaust, WWI, WWII, Korean War and other conflicts... I bet you're now peeing in your pants.

Hahahaha...as pathetic as it gets.  First it's name one.  Now, it's well can't you do better than that.  Your groveling is causing a tear in my eye.

Once again, we're just going in circles...

[Skip8282]

First of all, it is not a claim, it is an observation. There is a difference. And to be honest with you it comes not from the crack of my ass, but from reading an interesting article (I can't find it now-which in your language pretty much translates into an "Aha! There's a lie" on your part) on German Holocaust guilt and it being a phenomenom that affects the post-WWII generations.

In all honesty I posted the link because I though you were going to actually read it and get something out of it, but since you're in full willfully blind mode I suspect that unless you read or hear a German youth say "I hate my grandpa" I'll be wasting my time. 

In the very same text you claim you did not see "anything": "You never get rid of that. Everything that happens in this country we compare to the German past, to the Nazi dictatorship. Germans are much more aware of their past than most other countries in the world. And that is at least one thing that is good, coming out of such a terrible past."

Or "We are very sceptical about things, so we are sceptical when people admire politicians, we're sceptical about mass movements, we are very critical about what the police do, what the judicial system does. I think you have to think about your past to get rid of it."

If you can't notice any of the German Holocaust guilt in those words then you might as well call it a day rosy cheeks.

Yes there is a difference.  You made a bullshit claim, can't back it up, and now you're running like bitch.

I don't need to get something out of your article, I lived in Germany for six years.  They're a great people, with great food, and a rich heritage (WW's aside).

Being cognizant and aware of their past is a far cry from your nonsense claim that "people are pissed mad with older generations".

The reality is you're reading way too much into the article and then just making up shit to suit your beliefs.  And, now that you can't back it up, you're pathetically crying.

Don't worry though, Skip's shoulder is always available to you...