"The Coach" claims to be a fitness industry professional

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

did you ever see TA at Lockheed?

Nope, didn't see anyone walking around with a gravity suit on....

[noworries]

Systems Engineer for Ikon, then I worked at Alltel as a Universal Rep.  Can't discuss what I did at Lockheed

You must have been a great asset for them.  You got fired from every job you have had.  That speaks volumes of what you are worth,  Since when has cleaning clogged toilets a big secret.  You worked in janitorial at Lockheed and you make it sound important.  Jesus Christ Goodrum go kill yourself.

[Coach is Back!]

Many here dismiss proper academic qualifications in exercise science. Knowledgeable, experienced, educated people would acknowledge that there is a lot to learn in exercise science and most people on Getbig probably would not be able to do post graduate degrees in this area because it is too difficult. If you think you are smart then go have a read of any exercise physiology journal and see if you can comprehend the research. Only exercise scientists can read that discipline and we should respect all of them. It is as difficult as rocket science or any other science. Human physiology is extremly difficult and complicated.

My son has a masters in exercise science and has been around the gym and bodybuilding for decades. Even though I have over 51 years experience in bodybuilding and have done a post graduate course in exercise science I defer to him when difficult questions are asked about muscles, functions and injuries. You cannot claim to know things that you do not. That is the point that the Op has made in this thread and others. Too many charlatans are employed in the gym industry and that lowers the respect that the public has for all of us. I shake my head when I see recently qualified personal trainers who don't really know much. They wouldn't be able to separate good advice from bad because they don't really know much at all.

I would recommend that gym instuctors do a 4 year university course at a proper university. Then we might have intelligent people in the industry instead of meatheads and knuckleheads who think this is an easy field to have a career in. Standards have been in the industry for not more than a couple of decades so we have a long way to go. In the meantime, all manner of 'experts' operate as qualified people when they really are nothing of the sort.

That's absurd Vince. While I completely understand how important education is and I'm all for it, saying people that are in the industry without a degree are "charlatans", "meatheads" and 'knuckleheads" as you so pompously put it is complete and utter bullshit. While you might earn the MINIMUM requirements to obtain that degree, the real learning doesn't start until you start applying that to practical application. Even though I came short of my degree, I made sure I made up for it by seeking out and studying under the best S&C coaches, physical therapists and nutritionists in the country, I spend a MINIMUM of $10k per year on continuing education in the way of mentorships, seminars and conventions. I spend two weeks per year with the best S&C coaches in the country on the East Coast and last year I spent most of pre-season with the S&C coach working with the USC Trojans Football team. Vince, I've been doing that for AT LEAST the last 10 years. Even though I didn't finish my degree, I would say I'm more that educated and qualified to train athletes, give advice as well as be a yearly speaker in my field of training. Having a "degree" doesn't make you an "expert" Vince. Having a "degree" with no practical experience makes you an apprentice.

Now, that being said..don't you train on machines?

[Vince B]

The way Goodrum describes the requirements for a personal trainer is typical of muscleheads who think it is an easy job. While most bodybuilders can do the job ok that doesn't make them qualified. When members ask about injuries they have little or no idea what to advise them because that isn't something you learn from experience. Let us use the medical profession as a comparison and ask how many here would consult a person with no university degrees in medicine? Even nurses require a degree in most hospitals so things are improving. Those who put down education usually have not attended university so have no clue what is involved. It is one thing to think you know something and quite another to have studied the latest research and discussed this with professors.

That someone goes to seminars and conventions is well and good but it isn't a substitute for a proper education. Of course keep trying to learn but get a university degree in your area and that is a good standard. Personal trainers, gym instructors and fitness leaders come with a variety of qualifications. Some have degrees but that is rare. Many have technology diplomas and that is a reasonable standard. Those who take the 16 or 20 week course or one doing home study can't be called properly qualified anything.

The question we can ask is how do we know something? Well, if you base your test on experience then you have no way of substantiating your theories and ideas. The only satisfactory way of knowing something for sure is through rigorous experiments and studies. In the absence of such studies all manner of things are believed and followed by the fitness flotsam who consider themselves experts but are far from being that.

If you have enough experience you might dare toss all those silly free weights in the ocean! Dumbell is as dumbell uses.

[Vince B]

Yes, I do have a university degree you old piece of shit.

Please show us a photocopy of your degree Mr Goodrum. You are the guy demanding that others tell us where they graduated from. What was your major and when did you complete your degree? I hope this isn't the mail order PhD you 'got' a couple of years ago!

[io856]

Please show us a photocopy of your degree Mr Goodrum. You are the guy demanding that others tell us where they graduated from. What was your major and when did you complete your degree? I hope this isn't the mail order PhD you 'got' a couple of years ago!

hahahaha jesus christ a mail order PhD! What will the circus known as Vince Goodrum come up with next

[Coach is Back!]

Vince, are you trying to say that just because someone has a degree they can get better results from their client than someone who does not have a degree? Just trying to clarify here.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

hahahaha jesus christ a mail order PhD! What will the circus known as Vince Goodrum come up with next

And you believe what he says......

[Coach is Back!]

And you believe what he says......

Of course he does.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

The way Goodrum describes the requirements for a personal trainer is typical of muscleheads who think it is an easy job. While most bodybuilders can do the job ok that doesn't make them qualified. When members ask about injuries they have little or no idea what to advise them because that isn't something you learn from experience. Let us use the medical profession as a comparison and ask how many here would consult a person with no university degrees in medicine? Even nurses require a degree in most hospitals so things are improving. Those who put down education usually have not attended university so have no clue what is involved. It is one thing to think you know something and quite another to have studied the latest research and discussed this with professors.

That someone goes to seminars and conventions is well and good but it isn't a substitute for a proper education. Of course keep trying to learn but get a university degree in your area and that is a good standard. Personal trainers, gym instructors and fitness leaders come with a variety of qualifications. Some have degrees but that is rare. Many have technology diplomas and that is a reasonable standard. Those who take the 16 or 20 week course or one doing home study can't be called properly qualified anything.

The question we can ask is how do we know something? Well, if you base your test on experience then you have no way of substantiating your theories and ideas. The only satisfactory way of knowing something for sure is through rigorous experiments and studies. In the absence of such studies all manner of things are believed and followed by the fitness flotsam who consider themselves experts but are far from being that.

If you have enough experience you might dare toss all those silly free weights in the ocean! Dumbell is as dumbell uses.

If a person has an injury, they should go see a doctor.  Personal Trainers cannot give out medical advice.  They can only perform basic first aid if they are certified which they should be anyway to begin with and then refer them to a doctor.   

[Tapeworm]

If a person has an injury, they should go see a doctor.  Personal Trainers cannot give out medical advice.  They can only perform basic first aid if they are certified which they should be anyway to begin with and then refer them to a doctor.   

I'm sure your 'colleagues' appreciate the business. 

[Vince B]

If a person has an injury, they should go see a doctor.  Personal Trainers cannot give out medical advice.  They can only perform basic first aid if they are certified which they should be anyway to begin with and then refer them to a doctor.

Just shows your lack of experience, Melvin. People present at gyms with various injuries they have had previously or have at the moment and want to know how to proceed. What would you tell them? Well, a person trained in rehab as part of an exercise science program would know what to say and do. You obviously have no clue at all but are sensible enough to refer them to doctors. That isn't the kind of injury I am talking about. I mean the kind that bother people but don't cripple or sideline them. Nagging pains and sore areas.

So, Melvin, where did you graduate from? I am sure you would have listed it on Facebook had you obtained a university degree.

[noworries]

Just shows your lack of experience, Melvin. People present at gyms with various injuries they have had previously or have at the moment and want to know how to proceed. What would you tell them? Well, a person trained in rehab as part of an exercise science program would know what to say and do. You obviously have no clue at all but are sensible enough to refer them to doctors. That isn't the kind of injury I am talking about. I mean the kind that bother people but don't cripple or sideline them. Nagging pains and sore areas.

So, Melvin, where did you graduate from? I am sure you would have listed it on Facebook had you obtained a university degree.

He does NOT have a REAL degree from a REAL University.  He twists shit around so much to make himself look good it is unreal.  Like I have always said he tries to cut corners to acheive things and they have all backfired.  There is a reason why he lives where he does.  Not only because the cost of living is so low so the $2000 a month he gross's allows him to live like a king in his trailer but it allows him to bullshit his way through the population of his village.  No way ever could he last in a big city.  He would be living in the streets in less than a month.  He can bullshit his way through life as long as he stays in his trailer just outside Bumfuck, North Carolina.

[Coach is Back!]

Just shows your lack of experience, Melvin. People present at gyms with various injuries they have had previously or have at the moment and want to know how to proceed. What would you tell them? Well, a person trained in rehab as part of an exercise science program would know what to say and do. You obviously have no clue at all but are sensible enough to refer them to doctors. That isn't the kind of injury I am talking about. I mean the kind that bother people but don't cripple or sideline them. Nagging pains and sore areas.

So, Melvin, where did you graduate from? I am sure you would have listed it on Facebook had you obtained a university degree.

Thats horseshit Vince. Maybe in your country, but not in this country. Having a degree in exercise science does not give you the authority to diagnose and you can't really treat anyone unless you can properly identify the problem and only a qualified doctor can do that and then go to a physical therapist if necessary, in my case dealing with athletes, most of the time an Ortho. Thats like sending a cardiac patient to a GP.

[HTexan]

Vince, are you trying to say that just because someone has a degree they can get better results from their client than someone who does not have a degree? Just trying to clarify here.

no, he is saying more people want to train with trainers with a degree, and lying scumbags that claim to have degrees to get clients are losers.

[Coach is Back!]

1. Like most libs, you have no clue and lie yourself.
2. Numbnuts...I never claimed to have degree.

You're as fucking clueless as your hero coward "hugeripped" and are just as much of a coward.

Don't hate becuase you have no clue on train. But I'm always willing help. BTW, I know who you are.

[HTexan]

1. Like most libs, you have no clue and lie yourself.
2. Numbnuts...I never claimed to have degree.

You're as fucking clueless as your hero coward "hugeripped" and are just as much of a coward.

Don't hate becuase you have no clue on train. But I'm always willing help. BTW, I know who you are.

lol numbnuts? you like the nuts on soapy studs.
stop stalking me, im not soapy

[Vince B]

People come to me with training problems all the time. For example, what do you tell someone who says they have sore knees and want to train legs? What about sore elbows and triceps training? There are some exercises that can be dangerous if done with heavy resistances or over the years. Even running can lead to problems. Someone trained in exercise science with a MSc would be able to offer better help because they know more about the human body and what resistance training can do. Those of us with a lot of experience can gain insights into training so that we can assist those with injuries and soreness. We can tell people what to avoid so that they don't get injured. Effective gym instructors correct members all the time. It is amazing how many people do things wrong in gyms

Even though I have over 51 years experience in bodybuilding I know there is a vast amount of things to learn in the body and in the gym. Goodrum thinks he is knowledgeable after 9 years bodybuilding or whatever it is he does. Coach insists that he gets his information from other trainers and at conventions, etc. That is not a substitute for a proper degree in exercise science. Please understand that there are many areas of specialty in this field. I doubt that hypertrophy is something one can study through courses but surely research can be done in the area. Matter of fact, there isn't enough research done re bodybuilding and that is why so many still argue about it even today.

 

[noworries]

Goodrum gives advice on several areas when someone consults him for $70 an hour and that he is an expert in.  Examples of questions he can answer with expertise include;

1. How do I make that burning feeling go away in my ass
2. How can control the amount of cum dripping out of my mouth while eating KFC
3. Should I keep my eyes closed during a bukake session
4. Is it true about not wiping my ass makes anal sex better. 
5. If I put more useless letters behind my name I can charge more money and still provide no knowledge

[Jason K]

If you have an IFBB Pro card you can train anyone and make as much money as you want.Imagine asking Milos how he became a Guru.

[Coach is Back!]

People come to me with training problems all the time. For example, what do you tell someone who says they have sore knees and want to train legs? What about sore elbows and triceps training? There are some exercises that can be dangerous if done with heavy resistances or over the years. Even running can lead to problems. Someone trained in exercise science with a MSc would be able to offer better help because they know more about the human body and what resistance training can do. Those of us with a lot of experience can gain insights into training so that we can assist those with injuries and soreness. We can tell people what to avoid so that they don't get injured. Effective gym instructors correct members all the time. It is amazing how many people do things wrong in gyms

Even though I have over 51 years experience in bodybuilding I know there is a vast amount of things to learn in the body and in the gym. Goodrum thinks he is knowledgeable after 9 years bodybuilding or whatever it is he does. Coach insists that he gets his information from other trainers and at conventions, etc. That is not a substitute for a proper degree in exercise science. Please understand that there are many areas of specialty in this field. I doubt that hypertrophy is something one can study through courses but surely research can be done in the area. Matter of fact, there isn't enough research done re bodybuilding and that is why so many still argue about it even today.

 

1. So basically what you're saying is because I don't have piece of paper from the 1930's that says "I have a Masters in Exercise Science" I'm not qualified to put together an exercise selection to help my athletes even though I have 30+ years of experience and mentored some of the best S&C coaches in the country? (that have degrees) Let me ask you Vince, after one finally gets his/her degree, how do you gain experience? Surely Vince you can't cram 30 years of experience into a 4 year degree. Curious to where you gained your knowledge? I can tell you when I'm not working I spend at least an hour or two PER DAY 6-7 days per week doing research on EVERYTHING that pertains to training. You?

[Coach is Back!]

BTW, which mod deleted my last post?

[Vince B]

1. So basically what you're saying is because I don't have piece of paper from the 1930's that says "I have a Masters in Exercise Science" I'm not qualified to put together an exercise selection to help my athletes even though I have 30+ years of experience and mentored some of the best S&C coaches in the country? (that have degrees) Let me ask you Vince, after one finally gets his/her degree, how do you gain experience? Surely Vince you can't cram 30 years of experience into a 4 year degree. Curious to where you gained your knowledge? I can tell you when I'm not working I spend at least an hour or two PER DAY 6-7 days per week doing research on EVERYTHING that pertains to training. You?

You can't comprehend what I am posting so naturally interpret what I say as a personal attack on you. Nope, I am talking about knowing things. You defer to experience. That simply isn't good enough. How do you know you are right? You don't know and can't know. You need independent, peer reviewed, scientific research to feel confident about theories and beliefs. It is always possible that our theories are mistaken but in the case of many who work in gyms they have no way of establishing what is truth and what conjecture. Experience is not a sufficient test for the truth of theories relating to fitness and bodybuilding.

[Coach is Back!]

80-90% of my training is based on science and yes, through peer reviewed studies. Do you just think I throw a routine together and HOPE it works. Everything I do is based on a system.

[TrueGrit]

Goodrum gives advice on several areas when someone consults him for $70 an hour and that he is an expert in.  Examples of questions he can answer with expertise include;

1. How do I make that burning feeling go away in my ass
2. How can control the amount of cum dripping out of my mouth while eating KFC
3. Should I keep my eyes closed during a bukake session
4. Is it true about not wiping my ass makes anal sex better. 
5. If I put more useless letters behind my name I can charge more money and still provide no knowledge

LOL... Your battles with Vince/Melvin provide a fair few gems along the way..

Melvin, your turn..