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Re: If This Is A Recovery, Why Does It Seem Like Things Keep Getting Worse?
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2010, 09:24:33 AM »
240 - I really hope she does not run for President.  Not because I dont like her, I do. 

The problem is that we will have such a disaster to deal with as a result of MAObama's policies that we as a nation cant afford to be focused on the tabloid crap thatt he media will be obsessed with. 

We need a serious guy like Ron Paul, Ryan, Pence, Thune, etc.     

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Re: If This Is A Recovery, Why Does It Seem Like Things Keep Getting Worse?
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2010, 09:28:05 AM »
Billy wrote: Palin is not going to run.

Palin said: In an interview recorded Saturday and broadcast on "FOX News Sunday," Palin said she would run "if I believed that that is the right thing to do for our country and for the Palin family."

"I think that it would be absurd to not consider what it is that I can potentially do to help our country," Palin said, later adding: "I won't close the door that perhaps could be open for me in the future."



Sorry Billy, I have to believe Palin on this one. 


You must have a different method of reading then I.NOT ONCE did she say "Im running".She will continue to say things like that to stay in the news to continue to make millions..She wont run and if she does she wont win the primary.Once again,YOUR BOY=7 MILLION JOBS LOST.But keep trying to deflect the blame to Palin.When gas goes past 4 dollars a gallon Im sure you will say "if Palin was in there...".You can harp on Palin till your blue in the face but the fact is YOUR BOY is a failure.He has failed and will fail and now he is making us less safe in the world.

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Re: If This Is A Recovery, Why Does It Seem Like Things Keep Getting Worse?
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2010, 09:31:40 AM »
She would be a fool to run.  Why run for office when she could make millions, rally the troops, and not have to deal with the obama depression?

well she might want to run if she actually believed in her ideas and wanted to help the country

but we all know that ain't true

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Re: If This Is A Recovery, Why Does It Seem Like Things Keep Getting Worse?
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2010, 09:34:50 AM »
well she might want to run if she actually believed in her ideas and wanted to help the country

but we all know that ain't true

I agree with her on most things as do most people.  Her values and policy positions are those that most agree with.     

The tiny segment of voter you represent, the LGBT vote, is 1% at best and not at all representative of the population.

Sorry to fill you in on this, but most people from what i gather dont want or desire a marxist takeover of the govt where the govt dictates every waking moment of your life from the size of the flush in your toilet, who your doctor is, how much energy you can use, etc.       

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Re: If This Is A Recovery, Why Does It Seem Like Things Keep Getting Worse?
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2010, 10:25:35 AM »
This is off topic and in some ways not.  It's clear that so many of us have huge differences and at the same time we do have so many fundamental things we can unite behind.  Why do we spend so much time fighting over the things we disagree on?  Why not unite over the things we agree on and nitpick over the minor later--and never let the things we disagree on divide us on the major things we agree on?  Does that not make perfect sense?  By doing the opposite, do you not provide fuel to those with malicious intent?  Why not deny those with malicious intent and unite on the major concepts of America.  This divide and conquer game has been played long enough by the few.  It's time for the many to gather.

Exactly. All these arguments about differences between Obama, Bush, Palin and Mcain is just a distraction. People have to face the fact that it is all smoke and mirrors and you only have one political choices in the USA with two flavors. When you think about it they have managed to create the perfect dictatorship in the USA where you can't really call them out on it because Presidents have a two-term limit and the ruling party alternates every so often.

The first thing everyone should do is stop defending any politician and unite on the bigger issues: corruption, theft, economical enslavement, big government, police state etc.

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Re: If This Is A Recovery, Why Does It Seem Like Things Keep Getting Worse?
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2010, 11:37:17 AM »
"We need a serious guy like Ron Paul, Ryan, Pence, Thune, etc.     "

Agreed 1000%.

Imagine a Thune/Paul ticket ;)

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Re: If This Is A Recovery, Why Does It Seem Like Things Keep Getting Worse?
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2010, 12:18:09 PM »
And lets not forget that personal bankruptcies have absolutely skyrocketed as well.

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Re: If This Is A Recovery, Why Does It Seem Like Things Keep Getting Worse?
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2010, 06:38:42 PM »
Tuesday, April 13, 2010
Income falls 3.2% during Obama's term
www.washingtontimes.com
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Real personal income for Americans - excluding government payouts such as Social Security - has fallen by 3.2 percent since President Obama took office in January 2009, according to the Commerce Department's Bureau of Economic Analysis.

For comparison, real personal income during the first 15 months in office for President George W. Bush, who inherited a milder recession from his predecessor, dropped 0.4 percent. Income excluding government payouts increased 12.7 percent during Mr. Bush's eight years in office.

"This is hardly surprising," said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, an economist and former director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. "Under President Obama, only federal spending is going up; jobs, business startups, and incomes are all down. It is proof that the government can't spend its way to prosperity."

According to the bureau's statistics, per capita income dropped during 2009 in 47 states, with only modest gains in the other states, West Virginia, Maine and Maryland. But most of those increases were attributed to rising income from the government, such as Medicare and unemployment benefits.

Two of the most populous states in the country reported dramatic declines: Per capita income in California dropped 3.5 percent to $42,325; in New York, the drop was 3.8 percent to $46,957.

"The evidence from New York and California reinforces a basic lesson: Where government gets too large, prosperity suffers. Let's hope that the Congress learns this lesson before it is too late for the country as a whole," said Mr. Holtz-Eakin, who also served as chief economic policy adviser to Sen. John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign.

On the campaign trail, Mr. Obama often derided Mr. Bush for what he said were dramatically falling incomes for workers.

"American families, since George Bush has been in office, have seen average family incomes go down $2,000," Mr. Obama said in a September 2008 speech on the economy in Green Bay, Wis.

The bureau, which doesn't compile statistics on "family" income, reported that per capita income rose during Mr. Bush's two terms, from $29,159 to $32,632 (using 2005 dollar values as a base). During Mr. Obama's 15 months in office, per capita income has dropped nearly 1 percent to $32,343.

Economists agree that Mr. Obama inherited a severe recession, although some dispute that it is the "worst since the Great Depression," as Mr. Obama often asserts. Still, the dropping numbers show that the $862 billion stimulus package has not turned the tide on dropping incomes.

"All in all I think the [bureau's] data are just another confirmation of what we all know - the recession has been just brutal, and while we may in the past couple of months have stopped the downward slide in jobs and incomes, we'll be digging out of a big hole for a long time," said Josh Bivens of the Economic Policy Institute.

Carol Moylan, chief of national income and wealth division at the Bureau of Economic Analysis, said comparing real personal incomes while excluding government payments is a good barometer. "A lot of people like that number," she said.

The White House did not respond to requests for comments on the numbers.

Personal income with government "transfers" - which include such federal money as Social Security, unemployment insurance, Medicare and food stamps - has grown during Mr. Obama's time in office, up 1.2 percent from January 2009 to February 2010. During that period, government unemployment insurance benefits rose from $88 billion to $143 billion.

Despite a near doubling in unemployment payouts, Mr. Obama in February announced a multitrillion-dollar spending plan that boosted the federal deficit to a record-breaking $1.56 trillion.

"While the market income of Americans has fallen since early 2008, government assistance has offset this somewhat through greater transfer spending such as unemployment benefits and new tax credits such as the 'making work pay credit,' albeit at the expense of higher deficits," said Gerald Prante, a senior economist at the Tax Foundation organization.

Mr. Obama, who just finished pushing a $1 trillion health care reform bill through Congress, is falling behind on his predictions. In a September speech, he said: "All in all, many middle-class families will see their incomes go up by about $3,000 because of the Recovery Act."

Other numbers show dramatic differences between the state of the economy in the opening months of Mr. Bush's first term versus that of Mr. Obama. While disposal income during Mr. Obama's term has risen $2.5 billion, extra cash for Americans rose $113 billion over Mr. Bush's first 15 months in office.

Meanwhile, the findings of a new survey of leading economists by the Associated Press found widespread pessimism over a quick recovery.

The finding included ominous news:

c The unemployment rate will stay high for the next two years and still be at 8.4 percent by the end of 2011.

c Home prices will remain almost flat for the next two years, even after dropping an average 32 percent nationwide since peaking in 2006.

c The economy will grow about 3 percent this year, less than usual during the early phase of a recovery, but few jobs will be added.

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Re: If This Is A Recovery, Why Does It Seem Like Things Keep Getting Worse?
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2010, 06:46:07 PM »
I agree with her on most things as do most people.  Her values and policy positions are those that most agree with.    

The tiny segment of voter you represent, the LGBT vote, is 1% at best and not at all representative of the population.

Sorry to fill you in on this, but most people from what i gather dont want or desire a marxist takeover of the govt where the govt dictates every waking moment of your life from the size of the flush in your toilet, who your doctor is, how much energy you can use, etc.      

I'm not a politician and don't represent anyone dipshit

If you want to talk about people like me you're talking about college educated, white, above average income, socially progressive/liberal, fiscally conservative

what segment of our population is like you?  I'm guessing it would be the large group of borderline  mental patients who haven't yet completely snapped and are ranting about communism/marxism and attend teabagger rallies

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Re: If This Is A Recovery, Why Does It Seem Like Things Keep Getting Worse?
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2010, 09:06:58 PM »
Tuesday, April 13, 2010
Income falls 3.2% during Obama's term
www.washingtontimes.com
Joseph Curl


Real personal income for Americans - excluding government payouts such as Social Security - has fallen by 3.2 percent since President Obama took office in January 2009, according to the Commerce Department's Bureau of Economic Analysis.

For comparison, real personal income during the first 15 months in office for President George W. Bush, who inherited a milder recession from his predecessor, dropped 0.4 percent. Income excluding government payouts increased 12.7 percent during Mr. Bush's eight years in office.

"This is hardly surprising," said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, an economist and former director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. "Under President Obama, only federal spending is going up; jobs, business startups, and incomes are all down. It is proof that the government can't spend its way to prosperity."

According to the bureau's statistics, per capita income dropped during 2009 in 47 states, with only modest gains in the other states, West Virginia, Maine and Maryland. But most of those increases were attributed to rising income from the government, such as Medicare and unemployment benefits.

Two of the most populous states in the country reported dramatic declines: Per capita income in California dropped 3.5 percent to $42,325; in New York, the drop was 3.8 percent to $46,957.

"The evidence from New York and California reinforces a basic lesson: Where government gets too large, prosperity suffers. Let's hope that the Congress learns this lesson before it is too late for the country as a whole," said Mr. Holtz-Eakin, who also served as chief economic policy adviser to Sen. John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign.

On the campaign trail, Mr. Obama often derided Mr. Bush for what he said were dramatically falling incomes for workers.

"American families, since George Bush has been in office, have seen average family incomes go down $2,000," Mr. Obama said in a September 2008 speech on the economy in Green Bay, Wis.

The bureau, which doesn't compile statistics on "family" income, reported that per capita income rose during Mr. Bush's two terms, from $29,159 to $32,632 (using 2005 dollar values as a base). During Mr. Obama's 15 months in office, per capita income has dropped nearly 1 percent to $32,343.

Economists agree that Mr. Obama inherited a severe recession, although some dispute that it is the "worst since the Great Depression," as Mr. Obama often asserts. Still, the dropping numbers show that the $862 billion stimulus package has not turned the tide on dropping incomes.

"All in all I think the [bureau's] data are just another confirmation of what we all know - the recession has been just brutal, and while we may in the past couple of months have stopped the downward slide in jobs and incomes, we'll be digging out of a big hole for a long time," said Josh Bivens of the Economic Policy Institute.

Carol Moylan, chief of national income and wealth division at the Bureau of Economic Analysis, said comparing real personal incomes while excluding government payments is a good barometer. "A lot of people like that number," she said.

The White House did not respond to requests for comments on the numbers.

Personal income with government "transfers" - which include such federal money as Social Security, unemployment insurance, Medicare and food stamps - has grown during Mr. Obama's time in office, up 1.2 percent from January 2009 to February 2010. During that period, government unemployment insurance benefits rose from $88 billion to $143 billion.

Despite a near doubling in unemployment payouts, Mr. Obama in February announced a multitrillion-dollar spending plan that boosted the federal deficit to a record-breaking $1.56 trillion.

"While the market income of Americans has fallen since early 2008, government assistance has offset this somewhat through greater transfer spending such as unemployment benefits and new tax credits such as the 'making work pay credit,' albeit at the expense of higher deficits," said Gerald Prante, a senior economist at the Tax Foundation organization.

Mr. Obama, who just finished pushing a $1 trillion health care reform bill through Congress, is falling behind on his predictions. In a September speech, he said: "All in all, many middle-class families will see their incomes go up by about $3,000 because of the Recovery Act."

Other numbers show dramatic differences between the state of the economy in the opening months of Mr. Bush's first term versus that of Mr. Obama. While disposal income during Mr. Obama's term has risen $2.5 billion, extra cash for Americans rose $113 billion over Mr. Bush's first 15 months in office.

Meanwhile, the findings of a new survey of leading economists by the Associated Press found widespread pessimism over a quick recovery.

The finding included ominous news:

c The unemployment rate will stay high for the next two years and still be at 8.4 percent by the end of 2011.

c Home prices will remain almost flat for the next two years, even after dropping an average 32 percent nationwide since peaking in 2006.

c The economy will grow about 3 percent this year, less than usual during the early phase of a recovery, but few jobs will be added.


Good article. The only way you could call this the worst recession since the Great Depression is that it is the longest since the Great Depression. But it seems to me that all other economic figures were worse in the late 70s/ early 80s. Some of them  A LOT worse
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Re: If This Is A Recovery, Why Does It Seem Like Things Keep Getting Worse?
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2010, 02:30:20 PM »
mccain voted against the stim bill because they didnt need his vote and he was scared of a 2010 challenger, which he now has.

As president, he would have supported it.  Please stop with the "Obama is da debil, only a repub can save us!" because it's the same mentality that worked to get obama elected.  by 2012, everyone will think palin's the saviour... then she'll make the same bigger moves that a dem would have.

Honestly, even a political drama queen like myself realizes this now. 




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