Author Topic: Reclaim our rights and revoke corporate constitution rights  (Read 472 times)

kcballer

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 4597
  • In you I feel so pretty, In you I taste God
Reclaim our rights and revoke corporate constitution rights
« on: April 12, 2010, 09:30:23 AM »
Our Bill of Rights was the result of tremendous efforts to institutionalize and protect the rights of human beings. It strengthened the premise of our Constitution: that the people are the root of all power and authority for government. This vision has made our Constitution and government a model emulated in many nations.

But corporate lawyers (acting as both attorneys and judges) subverted our Bill of Rights in the late 1800's by establishing the doctrine of "corporate personhood" -- the claim that corporations were intended to fully enjoy the legal status and protections created for human beings.

We believe that corporations are not persons and possess only the privileges we willfully grant them. Granting corporations the status of legal "persons" effectively rewrites the Constitution to serve corporate interests as though they were human interests. Ultimately, the doctrine of granting constitutional rights to corporations gives a thing illegitimate privilege and power that undermines our freedom and authority as citizens. While corporations are setting the agenda on issues in our Congress and courts, We the People are not; for we can never speak as loudly with our own voices as corporations can with the unlimited amplification of money.

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/personhood/
Abandon every hope...

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 41760
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Reclaim our rights and revoke corporate constitution rights
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2010, 09:31:44 AM »
Corporations run the gammut from a single person Sub-Chapter S to a publicly traded company.  Do you think the two should be treated the same?

kcballer

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 4597
  • In you I feel so pretty, In you I taste God
Re: Reclaim our rights and revoke corporate constitution rights
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2010, 09:33:15 AM »
Corporations run the gammut from a single person Sub-Chapter S to a publicly traded company.  Do you think the two should be treated the same?

If you are not a living breathing person you shouldn't have the constitutional rights of one.  Including property ownership rights etc.
Abandon every hope...

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 41760
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Reclaim our rights and revoke corporate constitution rights
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2010, 09:36:19 AM »
If you are not a living breathing person you shouldn't have the constitutional rights of one.  Including property ownership rights etc.

Why not?  If the corp is charged with a crime on the corporate level, you dont think it desrves rights to defend itself? 


kcballer

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 4597
  • In you I feel so pretty, In you I taste God
Re: Reclaim our rights and revoke corporate constitution rights
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2010, 09:40:22 AM »
Why not?  If the corp is charged with a crime on the corporate level, you dont think it desrves rights to defend itself? 



i don't believe a corporation should go through civilian procedures.  If anything there should be a separate court appointed to handle those matters and enforce laws designed for business not for people.     
Abandon every hope...

Hugo Chavez

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 31865
Re: Reclaim our rights and revoke corporate constitution rights
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2010, 09:42:50 AM »
3333, I totally agree with KC on this point.

The Showstoppa

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 26879
  • Call the vet, cause these pythons are sick!
Re: Reclaim our rights and revoke corporate constitution rights
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2010, 09:43:10 AM »
i don't believe a corporation should go through civilian procedures.  If anything there should be a separate court appointed to handle those matters and enforce laws designed for business not for people.     

Interesting concept.  A separate court to deal with the specifics of corporate law....

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 41760
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Reclaim our rights and revoke corporate constitution rights
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2010, 09:47:49 AM »
3333, I totally agree with KC on this point.

Why?  if a corporation is obligated to pay taxes, follow regulations, why should it not benefit from the same protections of the law that citizens are? 

Again - here is my example - I have a single member Sub-Chapter S Corp. where I am the only shareholder.  If some hack politician like Obama decides to target the corpation to make a political campaign speech or argument, why should the corporation not, as an entity, not be entitled to defned itself and spend money to defend itself? 
 

Hugo Chavez

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 31865
Re: Reclaim our rights and revoke corporate constitution rights
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2010, 09:54:30 AM »
a touch off topic but I think we've all seen that corporations reep all the benefits of being a person while skirting most of the laws normal people have to adhere to.  It's disgusting.  We always here how we're a nation of laws.  Well apparently for all people but "corporate people" ::)  Which do not exist in reality.  A corporation does not have a conscience.  A corporation is more akin to a computer program than a person.  It does not judge between right and wrong, it does what it needs to meet the end objective and if there are road blocks in the way, the program will do what it can to remove the roadblocks despite any human consequences.  Yes, there is something wrong with the idea that a corporation is a person.  Something very wrong because it's not remotely close to reality and it allows the absurd to take place.

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 41760
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Reclaim our rights and revoke corporate constitution rights
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2010, 09:59:24 AM »
Please research why corporations came into existence and you will understand why. 

Its not as simple as you think.