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Updated: Thu., Apr. 15, 2010, 1:37 AM  
Amnesty poison pill
By KRIS W. KOBACH
www.nypost.com

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On Saturday, Senate Major ity Leader Harry Reid told a Las Vegas audience: "We are going to pass comprehensive immigration reform" this year -- using the "comprehensive" buzzword that everyone knows means amnesty for the 10.8 million or more illegal aliens now in the country.

But that amnesty means even more than it used to -- because Democrats this year broke with long-standing precedent to ensure that, if legalized, these aliens would immediately qualify for ObamaCare's health-insurance subsidies.

Reid's remarks were just the latest in a series of pledges from Democratic leaders in Congress, as well as from President Obama, that they'll really try to pass an amnesty bill this year -- no matter how controversial.

Yet the controversy should be worse than ever -- thanks to a disturbing change buried deep in the 2,400-page ObamaCare legislation: the effective end of the "public charge" doctrine.

This doctrine is nearly as old as US immigration law itself. It is the rule that no alien can be allowed into the United States if he is going to become a burden on the US taxpayer upon entry -- a public charge.

In 1996, Congress added teeth to the doctrine by imposing a five-year bar on legal aliens receiving federal means-tested public benefits. In other words, no feeding at the public trough until you've been supporting yourself for five years. But now Democrats have eliminated the five-year bar with respect to the new health-care benefits.


The new law's authors plainly realized this wouldn't be popular. While the House health-care bill stated quite plainly that the five-year bar did not apply, the Senate version that became law did it via a torturous process that involved defining the health-care subsidy as a "tax credit" (though it's available even to people who don't pay taxes) and declaring that a lawfully present alien who's not eligible for Medicaid (because of the five-year bar) is eligible for a health-care "tax credit."

Why sneak such a provision into the law, when it goes against the sound economics of the public-charge doctrine and further burdens American taxpayers?

Perhaps to create a long-term constituency for ObamaCare.

Barely 40 percent of the American public favors the new law. Elections this fall and in 2012 will likely slash support for it in Washington; without a constituency to fight for it, it could be doomed.

And the best way to build a constituency is to extend its benefits to as many people as possible. By setting aside the public-charge doctrine and allowing newly legalized aliens to become eligible for ObamaCare immediately, the amnesty would create 10.8 million new ObamaCare constituents, dependent upon Uncle Sam for free health care.

Five years later, those constituents would be naturalized citizens, voting Democratic to keep ObamaCare in place.

This hidden time bomb in the ObamaCare law was buried deeply and with deliberation. But when it explodes, the American taxpayer will feel the blast: Adding 10.8 million largely low-income people to those covered by the health "reform" will further explode the cost of an already unaffordable measure.

Obama and his Democratic allies will likely attempt to sell amnesty to the public with claims that it costs little and has nothing to do with health care. Both claims will be false.

But don't expect members of Congress to read the bill. And don't expect the few who do to find the hidden traps. In his remarks on Saturday, Reid also said, "We're going to do immigration reform just like we did health-care reform."

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Just like all of us said.  I hope EVERY lib on this board who cheered ObamaCares' passing rots in fucking hell for what you want to do to this country.  


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Now we know why the "illegal alien Caucus" got on board at the last minute for this disgrace. 

 

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UUUUUHHHHH THATS NOT UMMMMMMMMM TRUE.

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UUUUUHHHHH THATS NOT UMMMMMMMMM TRUE.

This is exactly what I was talking about why ObamaCare is so bad. 

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Don`t you realize that illegal Aliens can already buy Health Insurance, be supplied with it at their jobs or they can also go to the emergency room?


Nothing changes at all.
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Don`t you realize that illegal Aliens can already buy Health Insurance, be supplied with it at their jobs or they can also go to the emergency room?


Nothing changes at all.

Did you read the article fool?  They changed the law to accomodate the invaders?

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Did you read the article fool?  They changed the law to accomodate the invaders?
Uh, legal immigrants are invaders?

Scroll back up to what you highlighted.  Your "article" is discussing LEGAL immigrants.
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Uh, legal immigrants are invaders?

Scroll back up to what you highlighted.  Your "article" is discussing LEGAL immigrants.

Yes, you trust fund parasite.   Once amnesty goes through to accomodate the squatters and invaders, the law was changed so these border jumpers can fleece the taxpayer. 

Serious, people like you make me wish for a CW2 so we can have a re-set on sanity and common sense.       

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Yes, you trust fund parasite.   Once amnesty goes through to accomodate the squatters and invaders, the law was changed so these border jumpers can fleece the taxpayer. 

Serious, people like you make me wish for a CW2 so we can have a re-set on sanity and common sense.       
Civil War 2?  Who would you fight?  What kind of Air Force would you have?
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Yes, you trust fund parasite.   Once amnesty goes through to accomodate the squatters and invaders, the law was changed so these border jumpers can fleece the taxpayer. 

Serious, people like you make me wish for a CW2 so we can have a re-set on sanity and common sense.       
Also, how would you know whom to fight? 
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I'm not kidding.

I think we should split the country in 2 at this point.  You libs, communists, gays, marxists, envrio-cultists, lesbos, race hustlers, welfare bums, illegals, etc can go build your utopia on one side, and the rest of us will go on the other.  

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I'm not kidding.

I think we should split the country in 2 at this point.  You libs, communists, gays, marxists, envrio-cultists, lesbos, race hustlers, welfare bums, illegals, etc can go build your utopia on one side, and the rest of us will go on the other.  
Where will you go?  What part of the country?  I don`t think you will have anywhere to go.
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Where will you go?  What part of the country?  I don`t think you will have anywhere to go.

I dont care how it works, but it seems to me the best solution at this point. 

You deluded marxists and greedy slobs seeking to rape the taxpayer one side, and the rest of us will go on the other and be left alone. 

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I dont care how it works, but it seems to me the best solution at this point. 

You deluded marxists and greedy slobs seeking to rape the taxpayer one side, and the rest of us will go on the other and be left alone. 
I advocate a National Sales tax with the repeal of the Income Tax, why are you angry with me? 
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I advocate a National Sales tax with the repeal of the Income Tax, why are you angry with me? 

Because once you realize that such a system will and can never generate the income needed to pay for everything, you will impose new taxes to cover all this nonsense. 

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Because once you realize that such a system will and can never generate the income needed to pay for everything, you will impose new taxes to cover all this nonsense.  
Your notion of a National Sales Tax not being adequate is just not true.

So what is the 3333666 tax plan?  
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Your notion of a National Sales Tax not being adequate is just not true.

So what is the 3333666 tax plan?  

Cut Govt by 50% across the board, increase retirement age for SS and Medicare, let people put a portion of the money into provate accounts for SS, and dismantle the welfare state entirely.   

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Cut Govt by 50% across the board, increase retirement age for SS and Medicare, let people put a portion of the money into provate accounts for SS, and dismantle the welfare state entirely.   

Any links to back up this plan where somebody has done an analysis or are you just making this up?
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Any links to back up this plan where somebody has done an analysis or are you just making this up?

Yeah, I'm waiting for your heor Krugman to sign off on it.   ::)  ::)

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Yeah, I'm waiting for your heor Krugman to sign off on it.   ::)  ::)
No seriously, did you make this up or has anyone done any kind of analysis on what you posted?

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No seriously, did you make this up or has anyone done any kind of analysis on what you posted?



I'm talking from a philisophical pov. 

The govt is raping the citizens beyond anything that can be considered normal and needs to be cut to size.  Being someone who pays little or no taxes, you dont understand this. 

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I'm talking from a philisophical pov. 

The govt is raping the citizens beyond anything that can be considered normal and needs to be cut to size.  Being someone who pays little or no taxes, you dont understand this. 
So you don`t have any analysis on your plan, ie there is no evidence whatsoever that is viable let alone effective.  Have you run any numbers on it that you can provide us with?

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So you don`t have any analysis on your plan, ie there is no evidence whatsoever that is viable let alone effective.  Have you run any numbers on it that you can provide us with?



GMAFB!  You are so dense and obtuse I dont even know why I bother. 

I guess you expect me to use the same "experts" who said the Stim Bill would keep UE under 8% right? 

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Less than half the people in this country do not pay taxes.  Illegal immigrants by themselves put huge strains on our financial institutions and policies.  Hospitals render medical services that are not paid for.  These are circumstances that are unable to last indefinately.

When amnesty is indeed granted, them getting Obamacare will be the least of your worries.  The end result is to create a perpetual Democratic super-majority in the House and Senate, as well as the Presidency.  The Supreme Court will soon follow suit.  Just like in third world countries, people vote en masse for the person that promises someone a few bucks at the expense of the so-called "evil" rich people and their ill-gotten gains.  Here in the US, those few bucks come in the form of welfare, Section 8, food stamps, and now, free healthcare.

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Who Lied? Jonathan Gruber Linked to Getting Obamacare to Illegal Aliens



By Jeffrey Lord | November 14, 2014 | 8:18 PM EST


 
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Jonathan Gruber, Sylvia Burwell and Joe Wilson.  Added to the mix of the two biggest issues of the day - ObamaCare and an expected Obama executive order granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, this is a potent cocktail of political explosives.
 
 Let’s start in September, 2009.

As President Obama addresses a Joint Session of Congress on his health care proposals - the proposals that would eventually become The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) -- aka ObamaCare -- South Carolina Congressman Joe Wilson abruptly and famously shouted “You lie!”

While Wilson was chastised for his decided breach of congressional decorum, in fact what he was literally yelling about were these words from President Obama: “There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too is false. The reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.”

Now?

Controversial MIT professor Jonathan Gruber, n the headlines for repeated videotaped admissions of lying to the “stupid” American people in writing the ACA law, has been tied to the hotly controversial issue of amnesty for illegal immigrants. An amnesty that would get around the prohibitions of the ACA that deny Obamacare to illegal immigrants by simply and directly removing the status of “undocumented” from “undocumented immigrants” - thereby making them eligible for Obamacare.

Now, Fox News co-host Greg Gutfeld has dug up this recent clip of HHS Secretary Sylvia Burwell calling for “extending Obamacare benefits to DREAM-eligible illegal immigrants” and adding that “DREAMers are not able to be covered in the marketplace. And this is an issue that I think is more than a health care issue — it is an immigration issue…And I think everyone probably knows that this administration feels incredibly strongly about the fact that we need to fix that. We need to reform the system and make the changes that we need that will lead to benefits in everything from health care to economics to so many things — a very important step that we need to take as a nation.”

And who just happens to be well out there providing the data on illegal immigrants and Obamacare? If you guessed MIT’s Jonathan Gruber, you would be right.

In other words? President Obama is getting around his promise to Congress that September of 2009 that “the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally” by simply bestowing amnesty on “those who are here illegally.”  Once legal, they will be qualified for Obamacare.

And Jonathan Gruber, who confesses that the Obama administration deliberately sold its program by lying about it, has now been tied to supplying data on health care for those illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants who would instantly become beneficiaries of the very same ACA once granted amnesty -- exactly as Obama HHS Secretary Burwell said was the goal.

 


 

In a “Final Report to the Commonwealth Fund” titled “ Undocumented Immigrants and Health Care Reform”, published by the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research on August 31, 2012 (hat tip to NB's P.J. Gladnick), the report acknowledges only two sources at the very beginning of the report. The two sentence “Acknowledgments” reads in its entirety as follows: “Funding for this report was provided by a grant from The Commonwealth Fund. Special data runs were provided by Jonathan Gruber at MIT.”
 
The Commonwealth Fund describes itself on its website this way:


“The Commonwealth Fund is a private foundation that aims to promote a high performing health care system that achieves better access, improved quality, and greater efficiency, particularly for society's most vulnerable, including low-income people, the uninsured, minority Americans, young children, and elderly adults.”

The report makes clear in its Executive Summary that because of a specific prohibition in the ACA, illegal immigrants are prohibited from receiving ObamaCare. The Executive Summary says;


“Despite the far-reaching expansion of health care coverage for the large number of uninsured individuals in the US, the ACA explicitly excludes undocumented immigrants from purchasing health insurance coverage through the health exchanges. In addition, undocumented immigrants continue to be ineligible for most public forms of health insurance coverage and would not benefit from any Medicaid expansions carried out by the states.”

This ban on ObamaCare for “undocumented immigrants” as well as their ineligibility for “most public forms of health insurance coverage” would end if President Obama grants them amnesty. Which is exactly what Secretary Burwell was demanding just this past week.

The UCLA  summary goes on to say: “In addition, we present estimates of uninsurance rates for the undocumented population before and after full implantation of ACA based on the Gruber MicroSimulation Model (GMSIM). “

Among the “Key findings” based on Jonathan Gruber’s data in this report are these:


* “….factors such as limited access to quality health care, low income and occupational status, and legal status may erode the health advantage of the undocumented at a faster pace than their documented counterparts.”

Access to Health Care

* Health insurance coverage is lower for undocumented immigrants than US-born citizens and other US immigrant groups.

* Significant barriers to health care face undocumented immigrants, including low socio- economic status, difficulty negotiating time off of work, lack of transportation and language barriers.

 * Fewer health services are used by undocumented immigrants than US-born citizens or other immigrant groups. After adjusting for age and gender differences between groups, we estimate that undocumented immigrants in California were significantly less likely to have any doctor visits in the past year compared to naturalized and US-born citizens.

* Emergency department (ED) services; despite the popular conception that undocumented immigrants use more ED care, we estimate that undocumented immigrants are significantly less likely than naturalized citizens and U.S.-born citizens to visit the emergency department....


Impact on access of the exclusion of undocumented immigrants from the ACA

* Uninsurance rates based on the Gruber MicroSimulation Model (GMSIM) estimate that there will be a negligible change in the uninsurance rates of undocumented immigrants. Nationally, their share of all uninsured ages 0-64 is projected to rise from about 10% to 25% as a result of the improved coverage of the rest of the population.

* Impacts of the ACA on health insurance for undocumented populations will likely vary by state. For example, an estimated 1.2 million undocumented immigrants are expected to remain uninsured in California once ACA is fully implemented or 41% of the total uninsured in the state, compared with 25% nationwide. In contract, New York is estimated to have the third largest number of uninsured undocumented immigrants in the country, 265,000, which will account for an estimated 16% of that state’s total undocumented population.


Policy options to address access to care barriers for undocumented immigrants

* It may be possible to design programs that focus on those left out of health care reform generically, including those who are US citizens and permanent residents, that will also benefit the undocumented.

Catch that last line in the “Key Findings” section of this report? A report depending on data from Jonathan Gruber?

“It may be possible to design programs that….will also benefit the undocumented”?





That program has now been designed. No less than Secretary Burwell is now on video saying this is exactly the result the Obama White House was looking for. It is called an executive order giving amnesty to millions of those undocumenteds. An amnesty that would then enable millions of the undocumented to qualify for ObamaCare. With data on both health care and illegal immigrants supplied by…Jonathan Gruber.

Question: Was this Commonwealth Fund Report - with Gruber’s data on undocumented immigrants and health care - used in any fashion by Secretary Burwell? Or the Obama White House? Or anyone anywhere in the Obama administration? Not to mention the Democrats’ leadership in Congress?  As news accounts have vividly illustrated, Nancy Pelosi herself is on video tape talking up Mr. Gruber - despite her current denial. Gruber is on record in this PBS Frontline interview from 2012  admitting he discussed ObamaCare in the Oval Office with the President himself in 2009. He pointedly notes just how well connected he is inside not only the White House but the Harry Reid-run Democratic Senate.

Says Mr. Gruber:


“I worked with the transition team to help put the numbers together for the administration. And then, essentially, most of 2009 I was really on loan from the administration to Congress, particularly the Senate Finance Committee, to help them put the numbers together on what became the finance committee bill, which really became Obamacare. Yeah, that's what I did.”

So again? Did this Commonwealth Report on health care for illegals make its way to Secretary Burwell and the HHS bureaucracy? To Mr. Gruber’s friends anywhere in the Obama administration and on Capitol Hill?  Thus encouraging the push for amnesty so the undocumented could receive ObamaCare? A belief 

Five years ago, Congressman Joe Wilson’s breach of protocol on the House floor was prompted by his accusation that President Obama was lying about his intentions in supplying ObamaCare to illegals.

With a stroke of a pen on an executive order giving amnesty for illegal immigrants, the President will, among other things, at last prove Joe Wilson correct. Mr. Obama did lie. And helping with all that data on both health care and immigration?

Jonathan Gruber.
- See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-lord/2014/11/14/who-lied-jonathan-gruber-linked-getting-obamacare-illegal-aliens#sthash.IPhsLrHY.dpuf