Judge: Natl Day Of Prayer Unconstitutional

[MCWAY]

looks like obama is one of the rapture ready...

White House to fight to preserve National Day of Prayer
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/22/national.day.of.prayer/index.html

No, no, no!!! He's lying, remember!! But TA is cool with that. To him, it's OK to lie about being a Christian for political gain.

[MCWAY]

I dont understand why any Christian would want this.You need the filthy government to have a day to tell you to pray.Are you kidding me?If the government told me to pray that day,Id make it a point not to pray that day.I know there are laws or rules or proclamations that must or should be followed but I wouldnt follow a day the stupid innept wicked government tells me to pray on.

Just like steroids,during the stupid cogressional hearings on steroids I made sure to up my doseage in honor of little idiots like Steven Lynch,Henry Waxman and the rest of those morons.Just as I will add three times as much salt to my food now and keep my house at 73 in the winter.

The government isn't telling you to pray, anymore than Valentine's Day is telling you to love your wife (if you haven't been doing so the other 364 days, Feb. 14 isn't going to make a difference).



A better question would be why atheists are crying like a bunch of sissies, about something they are NOT required to do, with regards to Someone they swear doesn't exist.

[LurkerNoMore]

LOL @ anyone using Barton as the basis of their argument.  Only a complete idiot would attempt to lend credibility to that ass-swish and his statements. 

[BM OUT]

The government isn't telling you to pray, anymore than Valentine's Day is telling you to love your wife (if you haven't been doing so the other 364 days, Feb. 14 isn't going to make a difference).



A better question would be why atheists are crying like a bunch of sissies, about something they are NOT required to do, with regards to Someone they swear doesn't exist.

Why would you ever allow the government to have any say on your faith?Id make it a point NOT to pray that day out of spite simply because the filthy government recognises the day.

[MCWAY]

Why would you ever allow the government to have any say on your faith?Id make it a point NOT to pray that day out of spite simply because the filthy government recognises the day.

It doesn't have a say on my faith. That's the point. This is a voluntary thing, nothing more or less.

[LurkerNoMore]

Why would you ever allow the government to have any say on your faith?Id make it a point NOT to pray that day out of spite simply because the filthy government recognises the day.

Because obviously people that pray tend to NEED to be told what to do.  The government, the invisible man in the sky, the picture of virgin mary in the burned toast.... they lack free will to make decisions on their own and must receive marching orders somehow from somewhere.

[MCWAY]

Because obviously people that pray tend to NEED to be told what to do.  The government, the invisible man in the sky, the picture of virgin mary in the burned toast.... they lack free will to make decisions on their own and must receive marching orders somehow from somewhere.

In your case, it's a big-eared black man from Hawaii.

 

[LurkerNoMore]

As the leader of this nation, he is telling you what to do as well.  Even more than the imaginary leader you talk to.

Imagine that.  "God" chose that black man to lead this country.  Obama as POTUS was God's Will.  Hilarious that mental midgets continue to make hypocrites out of themselves by complaining about it and questioning Gods Will.

[dario73]

Because obviously people that pray tend to NEED to be told what to do.  The government, the invisible man in the sky, the picture of virgin mary in the burned toast.... they lack free will to make decisions on their own and must receive marching orders somehow from somewhere.

Wrong. There is no need to be told what to do. There is a spiritual need that a believer feels they have that can not be fulfilled by anything else in this world. A religious person has used his/her FREE WILL to CHOOSE to believe in and pray to such a being. Just like you have used your FREE WILL to not believe and to make ridiculous comments about something you don't understand.

You can move along now with your misguided, misinformed "views".

I Corinthians 2:14:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
 

[LurkerNoMore]

Free Will > God

I guess God isn't as powerful as the zealots make him out to be.

So what is the answer for all those conservatives that prayed Obama would lose the election?  God wasn't listening?  The other side prayed harder?   

[Colossus_500]

Nothing sad about that part of our history and society.  It's a great thing. 

Beach, I didn't know about David Barton until I heard about him on the radio.  My 10yr-old and I watched all 5 of these videos yesterday.  He is quite the historian.  Gives me plenty of research to do in finding biographies of all of the leaders he mentions in the videos.  Great stuff. 

[The True Adonis]

Beach, I didn't know about David Barton until I heard about him on the radio.  My 10yr-old and I watched all 5 of these videos yesterday.  He is quite the historian.  Gives me plenty of research to do in finding biographies of all of the leaders he mentions in the videos.  Great stuff. 

I feel deeply sorry for your children to have to be exposed to a complete charlatan as Barton and all the way you telling them that these are facts and treating the programme as historically legitimate.  You have no idea what damage this may do in the future to your children as Barton has been chastised many times over for spreading blatant lies, myths and disinformation.  I can only hope one day you realize these gross errors and what a great affront this is to actual history. (as it really occurred)

[Colossus_500]

I feel deeply sorry for your children to have to be exposed to a complete charlatan as Barton and all the way you telling them that these are facts and treating the programme as historically legitimate.  You have no idea what damage this may do in the future to your children as Barton has been chastised many times over for spreading blatant lies, myths and disinformation.  I can only hope one day you realize these gross errors and what a great affront this is to actual history. (as it really occurred)

In other words, they will know more than you simply by doing some actual research.  TA, if you only knew, bro.  But it's where you're at right now, so it's all oblivious to you.  It's my hope, too, that you would come to a better understanding of what, Beach, MCWAY, Dario, and the others are trying to share with you. 

Have you been to the various sites and museums in Washington to debunk any of the items mentioned in the videos?  If  you have some of that information, please post it.  What you've submitted so far are mere character attacks.  What about the actual informed that he shares. 

[Dos Equis]

Beach, I didn't know about David Barton until I heard about him on the radio.  My 10yr-old and I watched all 5 of these videos yesterday.  He is quite the historian.  Gives me plenty of research to do in finding biographies of all of the leaders he mentions in the videos.  Great stuff. 

Awesome.  You are raising a smart kid.  Congrats. 

[MCWAY]

As the leader of this nation, he is telling you what to do as well.  Even more than the imaginary leader you talk to.

Imagine that.  "God" chose that black man to lead this country.  Obama as POTUS was God's Will.  Hilarious that mental midgets continue to make hypocrites out of themselves by complaining about it and questioning Gods Will.

Who said it was God's will? If you bothered reading a Bible, you would find that Israel often strayed from the Lord's instructions.....and suffered the consequences for that.

So, Obama's election can hardly be constructed as God's will, not that McCain (had he won would have necessarily been His will either).

But, never let that stop you from saying something silly.

[El Chapo]

Score one for the paranoid anti-religious extremists.  At least for now.    

Judge: Natl Day Of Prayer Unconstitutional
April 15, 2010 - 4:49 PM | by: Mike Levine

The National Day of Prayer, honored in the United States for more than a half-century, is unconstitutional, a federal judge in Wisconsin has ruled.

In a 66-page opinion issued Thursday, U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb said the holiday violates the "establishment clause" of the First Amendment, which creates a separation of church and state.

"I understand that many may disagree with that conclusion and some may even view it as a criticism of prayer or those who pray," Crabb said in her opinion. "That is unfortunate. A determination that the government may not endorse a religious message is not a determination that the message itself is harmful, unimportant or undeserving of dissemination."

The opinion comes in a case filed by the Freedom From Religion Foundation, a Wisconsin-based group of self-described "atheists" and "agnostics."

Crabb said her ruling is based on "relevant case law," and it does not prevent religious groups from organizing prayer services or prevent the President from discussing his views on prayer.

"The only issue decided in this case is that the federal government may not endorse prayer in a statute," Crabb said.

The Justice Department would not say whether it expects to appeal Crabb's ruling.

"We are reviewing the court's decision," a Justice Department spokesman said.

Within hours of the ruling, the ranking Republican on the House Judiciary Committee urged the Justice Department to "immediately" file an appeal.

"The decision undermines the values of religious freedom that America was founded upon," Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Tex., said in a statement. "What’s next?  Declaring the federal holiday for Christmas unconstitutional?"

Crabb said the ruling would not have any effect until any appeals are exhausted.

She insisted her ruling was not a judgment on the value of prayer.

"No one can doubt the important role that prayer plays in the spiritual life of a believer," Crabb said in her opinion. "In the best of times, people may pray as a way of expressing joy and thanks; during times of grief, many find that prayer provides comfort. Others may pray to give praise, seek forgiveness, ask for guidance or find the truth. ... However, recognizing the importance of prayer to many people does not mean that the government may enact a statute in support of it, any more than the government may encourage citizens to fast during the month of Ramadan, attend a synagogue, purify themselves in a sweat lodge or practice rune magic."

The National Day of Prayer was first established by Congress in 1952, with a more specific date for the holiday set in 1988. It is now observed on the first Thursday in May.

Smith said he can "assure" Americans that "Congress will do everything in its power to protect the National Day of Prayer."

On the holiday last year, President Obama issued a statement saying Americans have always "come together in moments of great challenge and uncertainty to humble themselves in prayer."

"In 1775, as the Continental Congress began the task of forging a new Nation, colonists were asked to observe a day of quiet humiliation and prayer," the statement said. "Almost a century later, as the flames of the Civil War burned from north to south, President Lincoln and the Congress once again asked the American people to pray as the fate of their Nation hung in the balance."

http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/04/15/judge-natl-day-of-prayer-unconstitutional/

people are too sensitive. they should leave christians alone

-El Chapo

[LurkerNoMore]

Who said it was God's will? If you bothered reading a Bible, you would find that Israel often strayed from the Lord's instructions.....and suffered the consequences for that.

So, Obama's election can hardly be constructed as God's will, not that McCain (had he won would have necessarily been His will either).

But, never let that stop you from saying something silly.

Of course it is God's Will.  Isn't God in charge of everything?  Or is that just another line you feed your kids when things are going your way?  Oh wait... I know.. I know....   Obama being POTUS is just "God testing us".  Isn't that the standard line to spout when things don't go your way.

God is great!  He chose Obama.