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Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« on: April 16, 2010, 06:19:14 AM »
LMAO.


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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2010, 06:20:29 AM »
 :D

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2010, 07:19:08 AM »
JACKPOT  ;D

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2010, 07:22:00 AM »
Sad but true. 

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2010, 07:41:36 AM »
hahaha!!

Still, I didn't see any tea party rally last year - and people did get back $1300 more this year than they did last year.

Obama actually did lower taxes in this way - and still they're upset about it.

I can see being mad about the borrowing - but bitching about (lower) taxes when you didn't show up for a rally last year, that's weak.

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2010, 07:43:15 AM »
hahaha!!

Still, I didn't see any tea party rally last year - and people did get back $1300 more this year than they did last year.

Obama actually did lower taxes in this way - and still they're upset about it.

I can see being mad about the borrowing - but bitching about (lower) taxes when you didn't show up for a rally last year, that's weak.

We have a massive hidden tax with all the deficits and trillions in spending that acts as a tax increase.  and a tax credit is not a tax cut.  A tax cut would be serious if it were a permanent rate decrease, not a one time gimick.

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2010, 07:55:56 AM »
We have a massive hidden tax with all the deficits and trillions in spending that acts as a tax increase.  and a tax credit is not a tax cut.  A tax cut would be serious if it were a permanent rate decrease, not a one time gimick.

hahahahahahahaha

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2010, 07:58:10 AM »
hahahahahahahaha

________________________ ________________________ _______

The Inflation Tax
Dr. Ron Paul
July 17,  2006   


All government spending represents a tax. The inflation tax, while largely ignored, hurts middle-class and low-income Americans the most. Simply put, printing money to pay for federal spending dilutes the value of the dollar, which causes higher prices for goods and services. Inflation may be an indirect tax, but it is very real- the individuals who suffer most from cost of living increases certainly pay a “tax.”

Unfortunately no one in Washington, especially those who defend the poor and the middle class, cares about this subject. Instead, all we hear is that tax cuts for the rich are the source of every economic ill in the country. Anyone truly concerned about the middle class suffering from falling real wages, under-employment, a rising cost of living, and a decreasing standard of living should pay a lot more attention to monetary policy. Federal spending, deficits, and Federal Reserve mischief hurt the poor while transferring wealth to the already rich. This is the real problem, and raising taxes on those who produce wealth will only make conditions worse.

Borrowing money to cut the deficit is only marginally better than raising taxes. It may delay the pain for a while, but the cost of government eventually must be paid. Federal borrowing means the cost of interest is added, shifting the burden to a different group than those who benefited and possibly even to another generation. Eventually borrowing is always paid for through taxation.

The third option is for the Federal Reserve to create credit to pay the bills Congress runs up. Nobody objects, and most Members hope that deficits don’t really matter if the Fed accommodates Congress by creating more money. Besides, interest payments to the Fed are lower than they would be if funds were borrowed from the public, and payments can be delayed indefinitely merely by creating more credit out of thin air to buy U.S. treasuries. No need to soak the rich. A good deal, it seems, for everyone. But is it?

The “tax” is paid when prices rise as the result of a depreciating dollar. Savers and those living on fixed or low incomes are hardest hit as the cost of living rises. Low and middle incomes families suffer the most as they struggle to make ends meet while wealth is literally transferred from the middle class to the wealthy. Government officials stick to their claim that no significant inflation exists, even as certain necessary costs are skyrocketing and incomes are stagnating.

The transfer of wealth comes as savers and fixed income families lose purchasing power, large banks benefit, and corporations receive plush contracts from the government-- as is the case with military contractors. These companies use the newly printed money before it circulates, while the middle class is forced to accept it at face value later on. This becomes a huge hidden tax on the middle class, many of whom never object to government spending in hopes that the political promises will be fulfilled and they will receive some of the goodies. But surprise- it doesn’t happen. The result instead is higher prices for prescription drugs, energy, and other necessities. The freebies never come.

The moral of the story is that spending is always a tax. The inflation tax, though hidden, only makes things worse. Taxing, borrowing, and inflating to satisfy wealth transfers from the middle class to the rich in an effort to pay for profligate government spending, can never make a nation wealthier. But it certainly can make it poorer.

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2010, 08:01:22 AM »
Stick to medicine Mal. 

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Finance and Taxation
 
An inflation tax is the economic disadvantage suffered by holders of cash and cash equivalents in one denomination of currency due to the effects of Expansionary monetary policy, which acts as a hidden tax that subtracts value from those assets. Many economists hold that the inflation tax affects the lower and middle classes more than the rich, as they hold a larger fraction of their income in cash, they are much less likely to receive the newly created monies before the market has adjusted with inflated prices, and more often have fixed incomes, wages or pensions. Some argue that inflation is a regressive consumption tax. [1]

There are systemic effects of an expansionary monetary policy, which are also definitively taxing, imposing a financial charge on some as a result of the policy. Because the effects of monetary expansion or counterfeiting are never uniform over an entire economy, the policy influences capital transfers in the market, creating economic bubbles where the new monies are first introduced. Economic bubbles increase market instability, and therefore increases investment risk, creating the conditions common to a recession. This particular tax can be understood to be levied on future generations that would have benefited from economic growth, and it has a 100% transfer cost (so long as people are not acting against their interests, increased uncertainty benefits no-one).

Contents [hide]
1 How it occurs
2 "Tax on the inflation tax"
3 Negative interest rates
4 See also
5 References
 
[edit] How it occurs
When central banks print notes and issue credit, they increase the amount of money available in the economy. This is sometimes done as a reaction to worsening economic conditions. It is generally held that in the long run, an increase in the money supply causes inflation. In effect, increasing the money supply and causing the holders of money to pay an inflation tax is a form of taxation. Financing of expenditure obtained in this way is called seignorage.

If the annual inflation rate in the United States is 5%, one dollar will buy $1 worth of goods and services this year, but it would require $1.05 to buy the same goods or services the next year; this has the same effect as a 5% annual tax on cash holdings, provided there is 0% economic growth, or other price-reducing factors, such as efficiency-enhancing technology. With price reducing factors at play, a 5% inflation rate indicates a tax rate of higher than 5%.

Governments are almost always net debtors (that is, most of the time a government owes more money than others owe to it). Inflation reduces the relative value of previous borrowing, and at the same time it increases the amount of revenue from taxes. Thus it follows that a government can improve the debt-to-revenue ratio by employing inflationary measures.

However, if the government continues to sell debt, by borrowing money in exchange of debt papers, these debt papers will be affected by inflation: they will lose their value, and therefore they will become less attractive for creditors, until the government will not find any willing to buy debt.

An inflation tax does not necessarily involve debt emission. By simply emitting currency (cash), a government will induce liquidity and may trigger inflationary pressures. Taxes on consumer spending and income will then collect the extra cash from the citizens. Inflation, however, tends to cause social problems (e. g., when income increases more slowly than prices).

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2010, 08:26:39 AM »
'We have a massive hidden tax with all the deficits and trillions in spending that acts as a tax increase.  and a tax credit is not a tax cut.  A tax cut would be serious if it were a permanent rate decrease, not a one time gimick. '

You and I have $1300 we didn't have last year.

personally - unless we sent the $ back in a check written to the US Deficit, doesn't that mean we'd just be taking the $ and then complaining about it?

I was listening to levin last night... his caller made $47k and didn't pay a dime in taxes, and also got $2000 back for EIC. 

The caller was COMPLAINING.  He was talking about what BS it is.  He also complained the school MADE his kids get free lunch.  I"m sorry, but if you're going to keep the $, how can you bitch?  I can understand bitching about the long-term spending, and it's a very valid concern.

But if you keep the $... how can you complain?  that's what I don't understand.

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2010, 08:28:13 AM »
The EITC is a complete sham and the tax code is really a complete steaming pile of crap for non-married single people without kids. 

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2010, 08:51:55 AM »
The EITC is a complete sham and the tax code is really a complete steaming pile of crap for non-married single people without kids. 
aint it the truth

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2010, 09:15:15 AM »
aint it the truth

I favor a flat national sales tax.   

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2010, 11:02:00 AM »
True. 

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2010, 11:06:54 AM »

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2010, 05:03:37 AM »
The EITC is a complete sham and the tax code is really a complete steaming pile of crap for non-married single people without kids.

So? The IRS is politely asking you to get married and to have lots of kids. I see nothing wrong with that. It's called the American Dream. It's the "entrance fee" the newer generations have to pay for being born in and sustaining our system of privilege.

Our economy, from a fiscal perspective, is a sort of a pyramid scheme: You need one generation to pay for the other's accumulated expenses (deficit). That's the way it's always worked.

Why all the fuss now?

 

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2010, 08:04:31 AM »
True. 

how is is socialist healthcare when 1)everyone still dosent have it 2) Profits are still being made by insurance companies. I just dont get it.

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2010, 08:05:53 AM »
how is is socialist healthcare when 1)everyone still dosent have it 2) Profits are still being made by insurance companies. I just dont get it.

Its more like Facism to be honest.  The merger of state and corporate powers.   

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2010, 08:12:13 AM »
Its more like Facism to be honest.  The merger of state and corporate powers.   

Like Haliburton or blackwater?

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2010, 08:21:34 AM »
hahahahahahahaha

You think its funny getting screwed. sheesh, try and keep up bro.

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2010, 08:33:23 AM »
You think its funny getting screwed. sheesh, try and keep up bro.

Explain to me how.
So as of now, we know that the Health Care bill was not a overhaul of medicine in the us. And Insurance and Medical Groups will not be dismantled. Ok so thats out of the way

Now with these taxes of wich 47% of Americans dont pay. Federal taxes at the lowest rate in 60 years (regan raised taxes 6 times)...And the "Hidden Tax" is a % tax, so if the Oil Company Dropped their rates than that wouldnt be so high...


Try this...Try like actually looking at something other than fox news...maybe something REAL and then come and spew your crap. Fuck...what the shit are you talking about. You guys let a few dummies who say they dont like government medicine but are fine with their medicare form your opinios? jesus h christ

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2010, 08:36:56 AM »
Explain to me how.
So as of now, we know that the Health Care bill was not a overhaul of medicine in the us. And Insurance and Medical Groups will not be dismantled. Ok so thats out of the way

Now with these taxes of wich 47% of Americans dont pay. Federal taxes at the lowest rate in 60 years (regan raised taxes 6 times)...And the "Hidden Tax" is a % tax, so if the Oil Company Dropped their rates than that wouldnt be so high...


Try this...Try like actually looking at something other than fox news...maybe something REAL and then come and spew your crap. Fuck...what the shit are you talking about. You guys let a few dummies who say they dont like government medicine but are fine with their medicare form your opinios? jesus h christ

I am off to the Yankees Game, but there is so much ignorance in that post I dont even know where to begin. 

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2010, 08:39:07 AM »
I am off to the Yankees Game, but there is so much ignorance in that post I dont even know where to begin. 


lol. Ok ::)

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2010, 08:57:38 AM »



Try this...Try like actually looking at something other than fox news...maybe something REAL and then come and spew your crap. Fuck...what the shit are you talking about. You guys let a few dummies who say they dont like government medicine but are fine with their medicare form your opinios? jesus h christ

Nice assumptions bro. I can`t reason with someone who has his eyes and ears closed. Not trying to be a dick but for you to make those comments about me are ridiculous. I`ve NEVER defended FOX or followed that kind of philosophy. If your just going to fall back on those kinda typical empty retorts then keep living in ignorance.

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Re: Funny Tea Party sign from 4/15/2010
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2010, 08:58:42 AM »
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