The magic of Physics! < Quantum mechanix: the double slit experiment>

[ToxicAvenger]

It's very relevant to technology and has been for a long time

i ws thinking more along these lines
the wunderwaffe <sp?>
While the purpose of The Bell is unknown, there is a wide range of speculation from anti-gravity to time travel.[9]
Jan Van Helsing claims in his book Secret Societies that, in a meeting that was attended by the members of various secret orders (Vril Gesellschaft, Thule Society, SS elite of Black Sun) and two mediums, technical data for the construction of a flying machine was gathered along with the messages that were said to have come from the solar system Aldebaran[10]
One of Cook's scientist contacts in The Hunt for Zero Point, was a "Dr. Dan Marckus". (Cook states in his book that he has "blurred" Marckus' name[11] and that he is "an eminent scientist attached to the physics department of one of Britain's best-known universities".[12]) Dr. Marckus claimed that The Bell was a torsion field generator and that the SS scientists were attempting to build some sort of time machine with it.[


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Glocke

[stuntmovie]

Toxic and Wavelength Thanks for posting and discussing this QM subject matter. Haven't even read it all yet but I gotta say the following and then jump into it.

I am not even close to being "brilliant" but many years ago a lady I knew was reading "Dancing Wu Li Masters" and she told me that it was a very interesting book on the basics of Quantum Mechanics.

I knew she had an extremely high IQ and asked her if a dummy such as myself would be able to read it and understand it. She merely laughed and said, "You'd master it in no time at all!"

SO I got a copy and read it from cover to cover and for the first time in my life I realized how 'stupit' I really was. But the little that I sort of understood while reading it that first time was so damn interesting that I decided to read it again..... and over the years I read it at least seven times - but I'm still pretty damn 'stupid' when it comes to QM.

Then about a year ago I attended a family function and met a young 'physicist' (may be the wrong name) and I had the opportunity to ask some questions from someone who worked in the field of QM on a daily basis and for a living.

I then discovered that I was able to discuss various parts of QM intelligently and was informed that I understood QM pretty well even though it was still a big mystery in my own mind.

He then informed me that QM is still a very big mystery even within the minds of QM experts and will probably remain to be a major mystery for many years to come.

I've always been interested (since I was a kid) to learn if you could see a light particle (wave or otherwise) if you traveled along side of it at the same speed as that light particle.

By traveling along side of it - it would not strike your 'eyeball', so it should be invisible. SO, is it actually there or not!?

Does it only become "there" when your 'eyeball' sees it? Or otherwise - does it only become 'reality' when it meets it's full potential? And is that 'reality' real outside of one's own experience.

That 'thought' resulted in a pretty interesting discussion.

I've been away from the QM 'thinking process' for a good while  now  but the most recent  QM subject I can recall reading about was its relation to computer technology. Have you heard anything about that recently?

I never could understand Schrodinger's cat though. I kind of recall that ... "It's not there until we see it there." And I sort of recall something similar to it in long ago philosophy class.

Thanks for posting this. Encourages me to expand my mind once again, but thinking deeply for too long a time period was never really my expertise.

Read "Dancing Wu Li Masters' if you are interested in basic QM.

[ToxicAvenger]

I've always been interested to learn if you could see a light particle (wave or otherwise) if you traveled along side of it at the same speed as that light particle. By traveling along side of it - it would not strike your 'eyeball', so it should be invisible. SO, is it actually there or not!?

i could be wrong....but i thin k the whole point of relativity is that no matter that position of the observer...you would ALWAYS see a light particle travelling at the speed of light....the light will either be blue or red shifted....

http://www.desy.de/user/projects/Physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/speed_of_light.html

I've been away from the QM 'thinking process' for a good while  now  but the most recent  QM subject I can recall reading about was its relation to computer technology. Have you heard anything about that recently?

i read a few articles on quantum computing but...it ws a half assed read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_computer

I never could understand Schrodinger's cat though. I kind of recall that ... "It's not there until we see it there." And I sort of recall something similar to it in long ago philosophy class.

the cat is both dead and alive at the same time...its in quantum flux...when you observe it you collapse the wave function and it has to pick a state...either dead or alive....below is a movie and a book i think you'll like




part 1 of the elegant universe..you can find the rest on you tube

[stuntmovie]

Thanks, Toxic! I might be a bit "fooked-up" when it comes to this QM stuff but that info you just provided gave me a serious set of goose-bumps up to my elbows.

Will be heading off to Border's this afternoon.

Thanks!

[ToxicAvenger]

Thanks, Toxic! I might be a bit "fooked-up" when it comes to this QM stuff but that info you just provided gave me a serious set of goose-bumps up to my elbows.

Will be heading off to Border's this afternoon.

Thanks!

[MAXX]

what would you know of physics you ufo/alien/conspiracy theorizing- retard terrorist  

[Big Worm]

watch the damn video.....its actually pretty cool....

and if i wanted to look smart i woulda posted about something i know a lot more about

Captain Misery ,getting owned in one of his stupid threads...

[ToxicAvenger]

what would you know of physics you ufo/alien/conspiracy theorizing- retard terrorist  

[wavelength]

The misconception is that modern physics somehow is "magic". The world is magic, independent of current scientific findings. Newtonian physics was just as magic as Einsteins or Schrödingers is today.

[Fatpanda]

buddha often spoke about these riddlesof nature, science and everything in between.

in the end - none of it has any effect on your life - so why waste so much effort chasing an illusionary answer to an illusionary question when nothing in this life is real anyway.

[daddy8ball]

Very cool post. Thanks! 

[Fatpanda]

Very cool post. Thanks! 

you are welcome 

[FREAKgeek]

This thread is all fine and dandy, but what the hell does it have to do with shaved oiled men in thongs?

[FREAKgeek]

I've always been interested (since I was a kid) to learn if you could see a light particle (wave or otherwise) if you traveled along side of it at the same speed as that light particle. By traveling along side of it - it would not strike your 'eyeball', so it should be invisible. SO, is it actually there or not!? Does it only become "there" when your 'eyeball' sees it? Or otherwise - does it only become 'reality' when it meets it's full potential? And is that 'reality' real outside of one's own experience.

I believe that's Theory of Relativity and not QM like Toxic kinda implied.

[Fatpanda]

This thread is all fine and dandy, but what the hell does it have to do with shaved oiled men in thongs?

i believe buddhas words were very similar 

[ToxicAvenger]

This thread is all fine and dandy, but what the hell does it have to do with shaved oiled men in thongs?

oiled men in thongs are EVERYWHERE.....here...th e moon....mars.....the sun....

only the probability of finding them in a particular location varies! 

[leonmitchell]

power of intentions

[stuntmovie]

Good cartoon, Toxic, but those of us GetBiggers who know nothing about QM would not understand it.

And I'd have to go back and re-read chapter 4 to fully explain it intelligently.

Fat, yep!! Buddah was a very wise man and QM theorists agree with a lot he had to say.

Freakgeek, you are partially correct in your QM/Theory of Relatively statement but there is a strong correlation between QM and 'relativity' which is mentioned in Dancing Wu Li; but what I was attempting to describe in that post is what is called a 'thought problem' which one can only attempt to solve  within his/her own mind. Such problems cannot be physically tested in a physical laboratory.  (Until much later on of course.)

My problem is that I can think of the problems but am too stupid to contemplate the solutions unless I resort to 'nonsense' - which in many cases have proven to be other than nonsense when thought of by real intelligent guys.

I have been told that this was how Einstein initially developed the Special and General Theories of Relativity. He would think of 'nonsense' in an attempt to solve a problem and then get together with his highly intelligent buddies and eventually think of the solution.

Hey, not to change the subject here but I watched the new Sony 3D flat screen TV today for about 30 minutes and was very impressed. They said it will be on the market sometime this summer and cost about 20% more than the flat screen models. You have to wear glasses to see it but they were very comfortable. The 3D video games impressed me the most. Get close enough to that huge screen and you actually feel like you're a part of the action. I'm surprised that Cameron didn't wait before he released Avatar on video, but it will more than likely be available when Sony takes the 3D units to market.

[hazbin]

Toxic and Wavelength Thanks for posting and discussing this QM subject matter. Haven't even read it all yet but I gotta say the following and then jump into it.

I am not even close to being "brilliant" but many years ago a lady I knew was reading "Dancing Wu Li Masters" and she told me that it was a very interesting book on the basics of Quantum Mechanics.

I knew she had an extremely high IQ and asked her if a dummy such as myself would be able to read it and understand it. She merely laughed and said, "You'd master it in no time at all!"

SO I got a copy and read it from cover to cover and for the first time in my life I realized how 'stupit' I really was. But the little that I sort of understood while reading it that first time was so damn interesting that I decided to read it again..... and over the years I read it at least seven times - but I'm still pretty damn 'stupid' when it comes to QM.

Then about a year ago I attended a family function and met a young 'physicist' (may be the wrong name) and I had the opportunity to ask some questions from someone who worked in the field of QM on a daily basis and for a living.

I then discovered that I was able to discuss various parts of QM intelligently and was informed that I understood QM pretty well even though it was still a big mystery in my own mind.

He then informed me that QM is still a very big mystery even within the minds of QM experts and will probably remain to be a major mystery for many years to come.

I've always been interested (since I was a kid) to learn if you could see a light particle (wave or otherwise) if you traveled along side of it at the same speed as that light particle.

By traveling along side of it - it would not strike your 'eyeball', so it should be invisible. SO, is it actually there or not!?

Does it only become "there" when your 'eyeball' sees it? Or otherwise - does it only become 'reality' when it meets it's full potential? And is that 'reality' real outside of one's own experience.

That 'thought' resulted in a pretty interesting discussion.

I've been away from the QM 'thinking process' for a good while  now  but the most recent  QM subject I can recall reading about was its relation to computer technology. Have you heard anything about that recently?

I never could understand Schrodinger's cat though. I kind of recall that ... "It's not there until we see it there." And I sort of recall something similar to it in long ago philosophy class.

Thanks for posting this. Encourages me to expand my mind once again, but thinking deeply for too long a time period was never really my expertise.

Read "Dancing Wu Li Masters' if you are interested in basic QM.

i would say if you travelled alongside a light beam at the same speed you would not see it. fighter pilots do not hear the sonic booms they create, do they?  wouldnt' that be the same concept?

[Tapeworm]

i would say if you travelled alongside a light beam at the same speed you would not see it. fighter pilots do not hear the sonic booms they create, do they?  wouldnt' that be the same concept?

Not sure it is the same.  The essence of special relativity is that the laws of physics are the same for all observers in uniform motion (not accelerating).  On earth we observe light traveling at 186,00 miles per second.  It's tempting to think of our platform as THE frame of reference, like us standing on the roadside and saying a car is in motion going past us.  But if we removed the road (and other frames of reference), who is to say that they are standing still and the other is moving?  The guy in the car could say he's staying still and we are moving.  I think that's why it's called relativity, because there is no absolute frame of reference in the universe and the best we can do is to say that we are moving relative to one another.

If physics is the same for all observers then everyone observes light traveling at 186,000 miles/s.  A guy in a spaceship that we see moving at half the speed of light doesn't observe light moving half as fast (or 1.5x as fast if he's moving toward its source).  He sees it moving 186,000 miles/s (and according to him, we're moving at half the speed of light!).  It's really counterintuitive stuff.  

[webcake]

obviously you nerds went to college.....

[Tapeworm]

obviously you nerds went to college.....

Not yet.  Think it's too late? 

[webcake]

well at your age i imagine your kids will be in college in the next few years..............so yes, too late.

[stuntmovie]

Thanks, Haz. I don't think you would see the light beam  because light can either be a wave or a particle and a particle can only travel in a straight line unless it is affected by a gravitational force (another big discovery by the smart guys) and that particle of of light (think of it as a bullet in a constant stream of bullets) has to strike your eyeball to be seen.

So if you travel beside it, you would both be traveling in the same direction without it hitting your eyeball - so I assume it would be invisible. (I'm not sure how 'blue shift'/red shift' would pertain here in the least.)

And the mere fact that you are 'looking at it or in its direction' causes a number of other interesting possibliities that completely blow my head off.

Its almost like those little bits of matter (energy??) know that you are looking (measuring)  and react 'accordingly'.

I am completely 'losted' if we were to talk about traveling alongside the wave format.

And if you really want to lose your mind - get into string theory and parallel universes.

In your example where  the  fighter pilots do not hear the sonic booms they create, I think that they don't hear it because they are ahead of it and those sound waves are too slow to catch up with them.

[Tapeworm]

well at your age i imagine your kids will be in college in the next few years..............so yes, too late.

Low blow, Web!

Still.  The eye candy.  Ya got me thinking.