Mosley vs. Mayweather

[Flexb]

hahaha
you're an idiot

Nice counter moron. When all else fails, just drop some name calling 

[K-1]

What's even funnier was Oscar was making more money fighting warm-up fights vs. mediocre opponents than Roy was fighting championship fights vs. contenders. I like Roy but it's true lol

Well there you have it. Some base greatness off materials and $$$. I base it off the naked eye (what I see...skillset). Money doesn't define your greatness as a boxer imo. Ray Robinson made tons less than both these fighters we are mentioning, so did ray leonard, hearns, hagler, duran, louis, marciano....yet they are still greats in my book.

Oscar was more manufactured product sort of like sugar ray where roy was home grown, no publicity, and to be honest roy made a good amount of $$$ under that HBO contract where he only had to fight his mandatory challengers whom later on became champions themselves...they just couldn't beat Roy.

Meanwhile, as  you stated, delahoya was fighting warm ups. 

[Flexb]

Well there you have it. Some base greatness off materials and $$$. I base it off the naked eye (what I see...skillset). Money doesn't define your greatness as a boxer imo. Ray Robinson made tons less than both these fighters we are mentioning, so did ray leonard, hearns, hagler, duran, louis, marciano....yet they are still greats in my book.

Oscar was more manufactured product sort of like sugar ray where roy was home grown, no publicity, and to be honest roy made a good amount of $$$ under that HBO contract where he only had to fight his mandatory challengers whom later on became champions themselves...they just couldn't beat Roy.

Meanwhile, as  you stated, delahoya was fighting warm ups. 

Oscar accomplished just as much as Roy did. He wasn't as dominant as long as Roy was but then again Roy was being fed B fighters for years. Oscar fought tougher opposition than Roy did. I like both fighters but you gotta be kidding if you think Oscar was manufactured. he fought his way to the top amatuer and professionally

[G_Thang]

good interview.  i'll take a bet shane will be ready n prepared at least

[K-1]

Oscar accomplished just as much as Roy did. He wasn't as dominant as long as Roy was but then again Roy was being fed B fighters for years. Oscar fought tougher opposition than Roy did. I like both fighters but you gotta be kidding if you think Oscar was manufactured. he fought his way to the top amatuer and professionally

Now roy was being fed B fighters? How about he beat the top contenders at light heavy and pretty much cleaned out middle weight before he moved up to light heavy (where he was actually the smaller guy fighting larger guys the rest of his career)

And you can't be blind enough to see oscar wasn't catered too. I loved oscar until after the whitaker fight..that was complete BS...fight was a draw at WORST for whitaker. The scores were ATROCIOUSLY in oscars favor as if pernell didn't even show up when it was obvious he was made a fool of during that fight.not to mention he tasted the floor and that BS pt deduction my a$$.

THEN after the fight on HBO the clown when on to say there was no need for a rematch? Are you kidding me? LMAO....lost all respect for his catered to ass under Arum.

Let's not start on the quartey fight. Again Draw at worst, but check the scores. It's like Ike didn't even fight. Later felix sturm when oscar was trying to make the fight with bernard happen.....how can you not see this?

Fact is....Oscar couldn't hold a candle to Roy. And roy said he'd move down to 160 and tap that a$$ mid 90's on HBO...HBO knew oscar would be OVER if it happened...just like they knew Tito would get destroyed when he got cocky and mentioned Roy....never happened Roy would have ruined him....and you know it.

Meanwhile jones pretty much made it clear he wasn't losing a round b/c of how he was robbed in Seoul because he knew judges sway votes like they did for oscar which is why the trinidad loss to his was poetic justice.  

The only guy Roy was even given a hard time about was Darius M. The euro fighter that didn't want to come over. He later got his a$$ took to the wire by Richard Hall and beaten by Julio Gonzalez.....both of whom were DESTROYED when they fought Roy and that's the point i'm trying to make about roy....the was light years ahead of good fighters whom later became champ.

I know  it's hard but Roy was the truth in his prime. Oscar was a b*tch who ran from winky wright and vernon forrest...funny how shane fought them when he won the belt but oscar didn't want to get within 10 feet of them.

[K-1]

Look at this clown Flex....cmon man. he can't deny this. He knew the girl and they paid her off.

Let's bury the hatchet. Oscar is a clown.

[Flexb]

Now roy was being fed B fighters? How about he beat the top contenders at light heavy and pretty much cleaned out middle weight before he moved up to light heavy (where he was actually the smaller guy fighting larger guys the rest of his career)

And you can't be blind enough to see oscar wasn't catered too. I loved oscar until after the whitaker fight..that was complete BS...fight was a draw at WORST for whitaker. The scores were ATROCIOUSLY in oscars favor as if pernell didn't even show up when it was obvious he was made a fool of during that fight.not to mention he tasted the floor and that BS pt deduction my a$$.

THEN after the fight on HBO the clown when on to say there was no need for a rematch? Are you kidding me? LMAO....lost all respect for his catered to ass under Arum.

Let's not start on the quartey fight. Again Draw at worst, but check the scores. It's like Ike didn't even fight. Later felix sturm when oscar was trying to make the fight with bernard happen.....how can you not see this?

Fact is....Oscar couldn't hold a candle to Roy. And roy said he'd move down to 160 and tap that a$$ mid 90's on HBO...HBO knew oscar would be OVER if it happened...just like they knew Tito would get destroyed when he got cocky and mentioned Roy....never happened Roy would have ruined him....and you know it.

Meanwhile jones pretty much made it clear he wasn't losing a round b/c of how he was robbed in Seoul because he knew judges sway votes like they did for oscar which is why the trinidad loss to his was poetic justice.  

The only guy Roy was even given a hard time about was Darius M. The euro fighter that didn't want to come over. He later got his a$$ took to the wire by Richard Hall and beaten by Julio Gonzalez.....both of whom were DESTROYED when they fought Roy and that's the point i'm trying to make about roy....the was light years ahead of good fighters whom later became champ.

I know  it's hard but Roy was the truth in his prime. Oscar was a b*tch who ran from winky wright and vernon forrest...funny how shane fought them when he won the belt but oscar didn't want to get within 10 feet of them.

First of all, Pernell did FUK ALL in that fight but dance around and act like a fuking clown. He had no offense! He would throw one jab at a time and back away from Oscar. Pernell beat himself in that fight. Oscars face was unscratched because pernell wasn't hitting him, yet if you recall, Pernell's eye was half shut.


check the eye


And as for Quartey! WTF, Oscar put Quartey as his ass TWICE to Quartey putting Oscar on his ass once, and Oscar landed MORE PUNCHES. Not a hard one to figure out. Close fight but Oscar beat his ass in round 12 and had quartey lying against the ropes to keep his ass up from falling again. I had Oscar winning  narrow one by one point but Oscar stole that show without a doubt.


Are you retarded? Oscar also fought Trinidad who shane never went near. But lets not forget Vernon whipped Mosley twice and then Mayorga whipped Vernon twice, and then Oscar KO'd Mayorga in 6 rounds. But thats' neither here or there. Oscar fought both Vargas and Mayorga when they were legitment threats and Mosley fought them years later when they were basically jokes. And had tough times with them lol

yes, roy is the better fighter, but his resume isn't any better by any means. He was known for fighting plumbers and cable guys, he simply didn't have good competition for the majority of a decade. Montell Griffen was probably his toughest opponent until Ruiz at heavyweight and that's not saying a lot.

In '97 Oscar was rated above Roy P4P and both were in their primes. Quit trying to act like Oscar wasn't a monster in his prime. Please

[Flexb]

Look at this clown Flex....cmon man. he can't deny this. He knew the girl and they paid her off.

Let's bury the hatchet. Oscar is a clown.

You actually believe those are real? LOL

[K-1]

First of all, Pernell did FUK ALL in that fight but dance around and act like a fuking clown. He had no offense! He would throw one jab at a time and back away from Oscar. Pernell beat himself in that fight. Oscars face was unscratched because pernell wasn't hitting him, yet if you recall, Pernell's eye was half shut.


check the eye


And as for Quartey! WTF, Oscar put Quartey as his ass TWICE to Quartey putting Oscar on his ass once, and Oscar landed MORE PUNCHES. Not a hard one to figure out. Close fight but Oscar beat his ass in round 12 and had quartey lying against the ropes to keep his ass up from falling again. I had Oscar winning  narrow one by one point but Oscar stole that show without a doubt.


Are you retarded? Oscar also fought Trinidad who shane never went near. But lets not forget Vernon whipped Mosley twice and then Mayorga whipped Vernon twice, and then Oscar KO'd Mayorga in 6 rounds. But thats' neither here or there. Oscar fought both Vargas and Mayorga when they were legitment threats and Mosley fought them years later when they were basically jokes. And had tough times with them lol

yes, roy is the better fighter, but his resume isn't any better by any means. He was known for fighting plumbers and cable guys, he simply didn't have good competition for the majority of a decade. Montell Griffen was probably his toughest opponent until Ruiz at heavyweight and that's not saying a lot.

In '97 Oscar was rated above Roy P4P and both were in their primes. Quit trying to act like Oscar wasn't a monster in his prime. Please

for one oscar ducked vernon and winky.....their styles were wrong from OSCAR period..so why are you bringing up what other fighters did against them to make a point? Huge no no.

as for quartey...you act like that 12rd was a blowout when it wasn't, ike was there throwing shots on the ropes...and you forget...the scores...that's my point...oscar could have lost the 12th and still won by a margin according to the score cards...why is that? Ike beat the living sh*t out of oscar that night with a jab...same as sturm did.

whitaker made oscar look like a fool in there. If you didn't know whitaker was a defensive master then you don't know boxing and are just talking out your a$$ now. The point of boxing is to "hit" and "not get hit" ...oscar got put on his ass that night and those gay last second flurries didn't mean sh*t. To say he felt there was no reason for an upset was retarted.

Finally.....for you to say montell griffin was Roy's toughest opponent until ruiz is absolutely insane b/c you aren't being realistic at all now.

I bet you are the same type that gives no credit to mayweather for beating the exact same guys that pac man beat later, only difference is when pacman beats them you are impressed by it for some odd reason.

Bottom line Roy vs Oscar , prime on prime = Roy 1 RD KO 

[K-1]

You actually believe those are real? LOL

Actually it is funny. He knew the girl (confirmed you can't deny it) and when she posted the pics of him he and his team handled it exactly like a guilty person would. Threats and $$$ to gag the situation....she changed her story about how they got on the net from her camera....she NEVER said they were not real.

Let me refresh your memory. The very next DAY these pics went up....they pretty much tried the best they could to stop the sources.

If they are doctored and not real....why even bother...oscar was retired remember...nobody should care right?


http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/rush_molloy/2007/09/24/2007-09-24_model_changes_tune_on_oscar_de_la_hoya_d.html

[Flexb]

for one oscar ducked vernon and winky.....their styles were wrong from OSCAR period..so why are you bringing up what other fighters did against them to make a point? Huge no no.

as for quartey...you act like that 12rd was a blowout when it wasn't, ike was there throwing shots on the ropes...and you forget...the scores...that's my point...oscar could have lost the 12th and still won by a margin according to the score cards...why is that? Ike beat the living sh*t out of oscar that night with a jab...same as sturm did.

whitaker made oscar look like a fool in there. If you didn't know whitaker was a defensive master then you don't know boxing and are just talking out your a$$ now. The point of boxing is to "hit" and "not get hit" ...oscar got put on his ass that night and those gay last second flurries didn't mean sh*t. To say he felt there was no reason for an upset was retarted.

Finally.....for you to say montell griffin was Roy's toughest opponent until ruiz is absolutely insane b/c you aren't being realistic at all now.

I bet you are the same type that gives no credit to mayweather for beating the exact same guys that pac man beat later, only difference is when pacman beats them you are impressed by it for some odd reason.

Bottom line Roy vs Oscar , prime on prime = Roy 1 RD KO 

Oscar always fought the best and is known well in boxing circles for doing so, and you wanna talk about the 2 guys he didn't face? Come on. Roy never gave Hopkins a rematch and many argue Roy was ducking him. Roy wouldn't fly to fight Darius and many thought he was ducking him also since this guy was supposed to be his best match up. See, anyone can look at a couple guys they should've fought but didn't.

Ike beat the shit out of Oscar?? wtf are you smoking? Up to the knockdowns in the midrounds Oscar was winning the fight but the momentum changed once Ike floored Oscar with that flash knockdown, after Oscar has just dropped him. The rest was touch and go for a couple rounds with Ike slighly getting the better of it but Oscar was still able to win a couple rounds. It was a boxing match, not a war, neither man was hurt by a single punch, other than the one that dropped both of them. So you saying OScar was getting murdered is fuked up. The only murder was the 2 minutes Oscar put the beats to Quartey in the 12th round. LOL the ref almost stepped in to save Quartey when he was being held up by the ropes. That was almost a 10-7 round.

Yea, the art is to HIT and not get hit. problem is Pernell wasn't HITTING oscar at all. The knockdown was a slip and Oscar put his glove on the canvas to catch his balance, if you saw the fight you'd know this wasn't a true knockdown by any means. Oscar wasn't rocked by a punch or hurt in the least

As for Mayweather you gotta be kidding. I give all credit to him and he'll make Pac look like fool if they ever meet up.

[Flexb]

Actually it is funny. He knew the girl (confirmed you can't deny it) and when she posted the pics of him he and his team handled it exactly like a guilty person would. Threats and $$$ to gag the situation....she changed her story about how they got on the net from her camera....she NEVER said they were not real.

Let me refresh your memory. The very next DAY these pics went up....they pretty much tried the best they could to stop the sources.

If they are doctored and not real....why even bother...oscar was retired remember...nobody should care right?


http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/rush_molloy/2007/09/24/2007-09-24_model_changes_tune_on_oscar_de_la_hoya_d.html

The girl was all over the place with the story and was pegged as a liar -- big surprise there. Apparently they were proven to be fake and doctored. I know people that do that kinda shit all day long. Anyway, wtf would someone in oscar's status let someone take pictures of him LIKE THAT? I mean common sense here guy

[K-1]

Oscar always fought the best and is known well in boxing circles for doing so, and you wanna talk about the 2 guys he didn't face? Come on. Roy never gave Hopkins a rematch and many argue Roy was ducking him. Roy wouldn't fly to fight Darius and many thought he was ducking him also since this guy was supposed to be his best match up. See, anyone can look at a couple guys they should've fought but didn't.

Ike beat the shit out of Oscar?? wtf are you smoking? Up to the knockdowns in the midrounds Oscar was winning the fight but the momentum changed once Ike floored Oscar with that flash knockdown, after Oscar has just dropped him. The rest was touch and go for a couple rounds with Ike slighly getting the better of it but Oscar was still able to win a couple rounds. It was a boxing match, not a war, neither man was hurt by a single punch, other than the one that dropped both of them. So you saying OScar was getting murdered is fuked up. The only murder was the 2 minutes Oscar put the beats to Quartey in the 12th round. LOL the ref almost stepped in to save Quartey when he was being held up by the ropes. That was almost a 10-7 round.

Yea, the art is to HIT and not get hit. problem is Pernell wasn't HITTING oscar at all. The knockdown was a slip and Oscar put his glove on the canvas to catch his balance, if you saw the fight you'd know this wasn't a true knockdown by any means. Oscar wasn't rocked by a punch or hurt in the least

As for Mayweather you gotta be kidding. I give all credit to him and he'll make Pac look like fool if they ever meet up.

Glad you brought up darius since that is the ONLY guy that was ever mentioned that roy "ducked" ....Roy was the undisputed light heavyweight champion of the world yet he has to travel over seas to fight a contender? When has this ever been requested in boxing history?  The undisputed champion of the world has to travel thousands of miles to fight on another guys soil because the contender doesn't want to travel here to be undisputed champion?

Even Ray Charles can see the bullsh*t in this. ....and the Bernard/Roy debate years back was settled and aired when bernard ran his mouth on a radio station in houston and roy called in to the radio station while he was there and said exactly why that fight never happened back then and bernard didn't rebut roy at all b/c it was indeed fact.  

To enlighten you Roy and Bernard know each other very well. (this is their words) Roy told Bernard to clean out the middle weight and they would do a mega fight (because Bernard had no name at the time , and roy said if he beat him it's over for his career basically)...bernard agreed that roy did say this on the air. Bernard was under Don King at the time and he was getting raked to the coals not getting any money for his fights basically as he was trying to make a name (like pac man with arum)

Roy said bernard wanted 60/40 split simply because he was not making anything under don king. Now once again...why would the undisputed champion take 40% just because you getting murdered by Don King...and he beat him already? That is why the fight never happened years ago and that is the truth, on air..Here is the link...scroll to the bottom....http://www.975theticket.com/TicketOnline/Podcasts/CalvinMurphyPodcasts2/tabid/807/Default.aspx

[K-1]

The girl was all over the place with the story and was pegged as a liar -- big surprise there. Apparently they were proven to be fake and doctored. I know people that do that kinda shit all day long. Anyway, wtf would someone in oscar's status let someone take pictures of him LIKE THAT? I mean common sense here guy

The same guy who was with her period point blank zonked out his mind(fact).

Don't act like fighters are not notorious drinkers, gamblers, druggers..etc. Most of them are. If you need a "golden boy" go no further than the squeaky clean image ray leonard..mr coke head himself (admittedly) who was out there around town doing his thing (while married)

Lose the golden image you have for oscar...he is human and likes fish net stockings.

REALITY here guy. 

[K-1]

Flex I must say, you are a man of conviction and will not be wavered. You are alright in my book man!

[Flexb]

Glad you brought up darius since that is the ONLY guy that was ever mentioned that roy "ducked" ....Roy was the undisputed light heavyweight champion of the world yet he has to travel over seas to fight a contender? When has this ever been requested in boxing history?  The undisputed champion of the world has to travel thousands of miles to fight on another guys soil because the contender doesn't want to travel here to be undisputed champion?

Even Ray Charles can see the bullsh*t in this. ....and the Bernard/Roy debate years back was settled and aired when bernard ran his mouth on a radio station in houston and roy called in to the radio station while he was there and said exactly why that fight never happened back then and bernard didn't rebut roy at all b/c it was indeed fact.  

To enlighten you Roy and Bernard know each other very well. (this is their words) Roy told Bernard to clean out the middle weight and they would do a mega fight (because Bernard had no name at the time , and roy said if he beat him it's over for his career basically)...bernard agreed that roy did say this on the air. Bernard was under Don King at the time and he was getting raked to the coals not getting any money for his fights basically as he was trying to make a name (like pac man with arum)

Roy said bernard wanted 60/40 split simply because he was not making anything under don king. Now once again...why would the undisputed champion take 40% just because you getting murdered by Don King...and he beat him already? That is why the fight never happened years ago and that is the truth, on air..Here is the link...scroll to the bottom....http://www.975theticket.com/TicketOnline/Podcasts/CalvinMurphyPodcasts2/tabid/807/Default.aspx

Believe me, I like Roy, he's one of my favs so i won't argue. Of course he would've beaten Oscar at a catch weight. And I lost a lot of respect for Hops after that brutal rematch for his acting shit

[Team Diver]

soon!

[Wiggs]

soon!

Can't wait!

[big L dawg]

I can't wait till tonight

[Wiggs]

I can't wait till tonight

i hope mosely cleans his fucking clock.

[big L dawg]

i hope mosely cleans his fucking clock.

I do to bro...I hope he's got the speed to do it...

[G_Thang]

consensus is FMW controls fight early with mosley applying pressure.  2nd half is mosley game if he has gas left n floyd slows down.  not enough power from fmw and he doesnt punch down on mosley like forest.  got mixed feelings on this one.  would like to see floyd vs pac but pac is too small, right up fmw's alley so it wont be the fight people think it will be. 

i'd prefer if fmw wins to him against berto w/another 2 fights under his belt or williams.  pretty much know mosley will fight any of them. mosley n pac would be offensive delight but roach said he isnt putting pac in with a 160 mosley at the ball, said he just too big. 

[G_Thang]

[Flexb]

Mosley's gonna make a fight of it but at this stage he's not as fast as he once was. A lot of writers are actually saying shane is faster which I don't agree. Mayweather will use his footwork to keep Mosley at bay and will have success for the majority of the rounds. He'll counter and frustrate Mosley but Mosley's best chances will come when he goes balls in and goes right after Mayweather which you'll see him do tonight and have some success with. In the end though, Mayweather wins 8 rounds to 4.

[G_Thang]

son fights like dad minus less aggression but better shoulder roll defense. maybe mosley n richardson should checked this out.  assault the ribs n loop the right over the top.  oscar was pretty successful looping the right on jr.  seems to catch straight rights with the shoulder.