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Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« on: April 26, 2010, 06:23:47 PM »
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Whose country is this?

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Posted: April 26, 2010
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With the support of 70 percent of its citizens, Arizona has ordered sheriffs and police to secure the border and remove illegal aliens, half a million of whom now reside there.

Arizona acted because the U.S. government has abdicated its constitutional duty to protect the states from invasion and refuses to enforce America's immigration laws.

"We in Arizona have been more than patient waiting for Washington to act," said Gov. Jan Brewer. "But decades of inaction and misguided policy have created an unacceptable situation."

We have a crisis in Arizona because we have a failed state in Washington.

What is the response of Barack Obama, who took an oath to see to it that federal laws are faithfully executed?

He is siding with the law-breakers. He is pandering to the ethnic lobbies. He is not berating a Mexican regime that aids and abets this invasion of the country of which he is commander in chief. Instead, he attacks the government of Arizona for trying to fill a gaping hole in law enforcement left by his own dereliction of duty.

He has denounced Arizona as "misguided." He has called on the Justice Department to ensure that Arizona's sheriffs and police do not violate anyone's civil rights. But he has said nothing about the rights of the people of Arizona who must deal with the costs of having hundreds of thousands of lawbreakers in their midst.

How's that for Andrew Jackson-style leadership?

Concerned about the impact of illegal aliens on the United States? Don't miss Tom Tancredo's book, "In Mortal Danger: The Battle for America's Border and Security"

Obama has done everything but his duty to enforce the law.

Undeniably, making it a state as well as a federal crime to be in this country illegally, and requiring police to check the immigration status of anyone they have a "reasonable suspicion" is here illegally, is tough and burdensome. But what choice did Arizona have?

The state has a fiscal crisis caused in part by the burden of providing schooling and social welfare for illegals and their families, who consume far more in services than they pay in taxes and who continue to pour in. Even John McCain is now calling for 3,000 troops on the border.

Police officers and a prominent rancher have been murdered. There have been kidnappings believed to be tied to the Mexican drug cartels. There are nightly high-speed chases through the barrios where innocent people are constantly at risk.

If Arizona does not get control of the border and stop the invasion, U.S. citizens will stop coming to Arizona and will begin to depart, as they are already fleeing California.

What we are talking about here is the Balkanization and breakup of a nation into ethnic enclaves. A country that cannot control its borders isn't really a country anymore, Ronald Reagan reminded us.

The tasks that Arizonans are themselves undertaking are ones that belong by right, the Constitution and federal law to the Border Patrol, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and Homeland Security.

Arizona has been compelled to assume the feds' role because the feds won't do their job. And for that dereliction of duty the buck stops on the desk of the president of the United States.

Why is Obama paralyzed? Why does he not enforce the law, even if he dislikes it, by punishing the businessmen who hire illegals and by sending the 12 million to 20 million illegals back home? President Eisenhower did it. Why won't he?

Because he is politically correct. Because he owes a big debt to the Hispanic lobby that helped deliver two-thirds of that vote in 2008. Though most citizens of Hispanic descent in Arizona want the border protected and the laws enforced, the Hispanic lobby demands that the law be changed.

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Fair enough. But the nation rose up as one to reject the "path-to-citizenship" – i.e., amnesty – that the 2007 plan of George W. Bush, McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama envisioned.

Al Sharpton threatens to go to Phoenix and march in the streets against the new Arizona law. Let him go.

Let us see how many African-Americans, who are today frozen out of the 8 million jobs held by illegal aliens that might otherwise go to them or their children, will march to defend an invasion for which they are themselves paying the heaviest price.

Last year, while Americans were losing a net of 5 million jobs, the U.S. government – Bush and Obama both – issued 1,131,000 green cards to legal immigrants to come and take the jobs that did open up, a flood of immigrants equaled in only four other years in our history.

What are we doing to our own people?

Whose country is this, anyway?

America today has an establishment that, because it does not like the immigration laws, countenances and condones wholesale violation of those laws.

Nevertheless, under those laws, the U.S. government is obligated to deport illegal aliens and punish businesses that knowingly hire them.

This is not an option. It is an obligation.

Can anyone say Barack Obama is meeting that obligation?


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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2010, 06:39:59 PM »
I love Pat.  Would he feel this way sitting on the curb with cuffs during a sweep of NYC for old irish immigrants without paperwork?

Find a way to kick their asses out without violating Americans' civil rights.  It's that simple.

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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2010, 07:29:24 PM »
I love Pat.  Would he feel this way sitting on the curb with cuffs during a sweep of NYC for old irish immigrants without paperwork?

Find a way to kick their asses out without violating Americans' civil rights.  It's that simple.

LMFAO, 240 you might feel a little different when one of these fucks runs over a child in your neighborhood (happened in mine), or when you become a victim of an "undocumented worker" ::)

What about my rights? I was born and raised here, don't I have the right to walk into a home improvement store without being harassed for "trabajo?" Don't I have the right to go into a hospital and be seen without having to wait four hours behind a line on "non-english speaking undocumented workers".


Most of the time I agree with you 240, but you really jumped the shark on this one, just because you had to sit in handcuffs for a few minutes. ::)

Think about this 240, if you were a criminal and you had a warrent or something illegal in your possession, those cops would have taken you in, right? Then you would be one less criminal on the street, one less danger to society. But here you are instead, bitching and whining about it. ::)

For the record any and every illegal immigrant is a criminal, they broke the law when they broke into our country, if you can't see that, you're a fuckin idiot.
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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2010, 08:26:43 PM »
I love Pat.  Would he feel this way sitting on the curb with cuffs during a sweep of NYC for old irish immigrants without paperwork?

Find a way to kick their asses out without violating Americans' civil rights.  It's that simple.

Since they are not American to begin with their rights can't be violated. Because they have no rights as illegal aliens. Jut kick them out and be done with it. I am a legal immigrant and paid let me see hmmm, oh $20,000 in lawyer and legal fees to get my green card the right way. A lot of H1B-Visas and Greencard applications had to be filed to get me to this point and that costs money. Giving illegal's amnesty would send me a shitty message I can tell you that. Unless they make the illegals pay back the fees they skipped.

The illegals have to be kept out of the country for the simple reason that they will multiply all whites out of exisitence in a few generations. That is why Obama does not care because he is of course not 100% Caucasian. And Al Sharpton loves Amesty! A spic is much better than a cracker in his opinion. Crackers are too smart and ruin his party. He would like more low IQ spics to converse with and battle a skill of whitts.

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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2010, 08:30:48 PM »
Good commentary.  The fact we knowingly provide any services to illegals is insane.  We have created a real mess. 

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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2010, 08:33:13 PM »
if I lived in AZ, i'd probably support the bill too.  I realize it'll help kick some people out.  We had an illegal shoot a cop in my town - the cop lived 1/4 mile from me.  This shit hit home seeing the family in the newspaper.

Maybe I just want some amendment that says any cop who intentionally abuses this law - using it to handcuff his sister's worthless babydaddy at the titty bar - etc, will lose his damn badge.  That's what I worry about.  


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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2010, 08:35:40 PM »
it is 100% insane that any illegal, in the history of america, has ever received medical care.

Yes, if they're bleeding, you bandage them up and you deport their asses.  I don't think anyone here thinks my position in not liking this bill is about sympathy for illegals.  As far as I'm concerned, they're as bad as an iraqi with a suicide bomb - they are here to siphon our way of life.


I just get sick to my stomach seeing police abuse their power - and I think this bill gives them more power, more use of their own judgment to restrict movement of people.

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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2010, 08:46:29 PM »
I just get sick to my stomach seeing police abuse their power - and I think this bill gives them more power, more use of their own judgment to restrict movement of people.

I'd rather see police abuse their power than illegals stomping all over the rights of hard working, law abiding, American citizens.  Sure, some cops are bad, but there are bad people in any career/walk of life.  Most cops are good guys with families and work hard just to stay afloat like the rest of us, while doing something much more dangerous than many of us would ever have to do.  Don't handcuff their ability to do their job just because there's a few bad apples in the ranks.
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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2010, 09:16:37 PM »
"I'd rather see police abuse their power than illegals stomping all over the rights of hard working, law abiding, American citizens.'


To what extent are you cool with police in America abusing their powers?  It's hard to draw the line once you okay a little abuse.  Just cuffing?  For how long?  5 minutes?  5 hours? 

I like laws with very clear-cut black and white definitions.  The fact that some of the most far-right voices in govt - like tancredo - don't like this bill tells you something. 

I guarantee you - if OBAMA was the one selling a bill giving police to stop anyone for no reason and check their papers - we'd be hearing cries of marxist and you'd have militias driving around carrying the Constitution INSTEAD of their IDs lol...

But since the GOp is selling it and Obama is against it - people are okay with it.


HDP, your line baffles me: "I'd rather see police abuse their power"
You're acceping the lesser of two evils... i think.  Why not say "i'd rather see the border tightened and current laws ENFORCED".  Why not say, "Deport them when they come in for medical care!"

But just saying "well, I'd rather be cuffed and detailed 10 or 20 times a year..."
I dont get that.   I understand the illegals suck and need to get out.  But accepting police abuse?  never.

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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2010, 09:29:23 PM »
"I'd rather see police abuse their power than illegals stomping all over the rights of hard working, law abiding, American citizens.'


To what extent are you cool with police in America abusing their powers?  It's hard to draw the line once you okay a little abuse.  Just cuffing?  For how long?  5 minutes?  5 hours? 

I like laws with very clear-cut black and white definitions.  The fact that some of the most far-right voices in govt - like tancredo - don't like this bill tells you something. 

I guarantee you - if OBAMA was the one selling a bill giving police to stop anyone for no reason and check their papers - we'd be hearing cries of marxist and you'd have militias driving around carrying the Constitution INSTEAD of their IDs lol...

But since the GOp is selling it and Obama is against it - people are okay with it.


HDP, your line baffles me: "I'd rather see police abuse their power"
You're acceping the lesser of two evils... i think.  Why not say "i'd rather see the border tightened and current laws ENFORCED".  Why not say, "Deport them when they come in for medical care!"

But just saying "well, I'd rather be cuffed and detailed 10 or 20 times a year..."
I dont get that.   I understand the illegals suck and need to get out.  But accepting police abuse?  never.
what are the guidelines in the bill? why dont you wait until those are concrete before you condemn this?

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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2010, 11:40:12 PM »
HDP, your line baffles me: "I'd rather see police abuse their power"
You're acceping the lesser of two evils... i think.  Why not say "i'd rather see the border tightened and current laws ENFORCED".  Why not say, "Deport them when they come in for medical care!"

But just saying "well, I'd rather be cuffed and detailed 10 or 20 times a year..."
I dont get that.   I understand the illegals suck and need to get out.  But accepting police abuse?  never.

I just think you're over-reacting.  Police abusing their powers is nowhere near the problem that you cop haters seem to think it is. Most cops are good guys, average middle class productive workers doing their best to keep the rest of us safe, and enforcing the law, which is what they're hired to do. The ones that do abuse power, yes, are absolute garbage and should be fired, prosecuted, etc....but I just don't think bad cops are nearly as prevalent as bad illegals.  My line isn't "accepting police abuse", but more along the lines of realizing that it's a far lower risk than it is keeping the status quo of illegals getting away with abuse of US citizens.
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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2010, 06:53:17 AM »
"I'd rather see police abuse their power than illegals stomping all over the rights of hard working, law abiding, American citizens.'


To what extent are you cool with police in America abusing their powers?  It's hard to draw the line once you okay a little abuse.  Just cuffing?  For how long?  5 minutes?  5 hours? 

I like laws with very clear-cut black and white definitions.  The fact that some of the most far-right voices in govt - like tancredo - don't like this bill tells you something. 

I guarantee you - if OBAMA was the one selling a bill giving police to stop anyone for no reason and check their papers - we'd be hearing cries of marxist and you'd have militias driving around carrying the Constitution INSTEAD of their IDs lol...

But since the GOp is selling it and Obama is against it - people are okay with it.


HDP, your line baffles me: "I'd rather see police abuse their power"
You're acceping the lesser of two evils... i think.  Why not say "i'd rather see the border tightened and current laws ENFORCED".  Why not say, "Deport them when they come in for medical care!"

But just saying "well, I'd rather be cuffed and detailed 10 or 20 times a year..."
I dont get that.   I understand the illegals suck and need to get out.  But accepting police abuse?  never.

Yes,we are for it because we are really just racists and Obama is black.You sound as dumb as Ed Shultz when you say things like that.Obama is the f'n ahole who is a racist.He hates this law but has no problem with black panthers carrying weapons to polling places and screaming at whites "now you will know what its like to ruled by a black man ,cracker".Please,save the "you hate this because you hate Obama".Obama drew racial blood first,and repeated it this weekend saying he needs to reconnect with blacks and hispaniks and never mentions whites.He hates the law ON RACIAL GROUNDS!He is the racist.If this law was against Irish immigrants he wouldnt be saying a word.

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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2010, 08:01:21 AM »
"I'd rather see police abuse their power than illegals stomping all over the rights of hard working, law abiding, American citizens.'


To what extent are you cool with police in America abusing their powers?  It's hard to draw the line once you okay a little abuse.  Just cuffing?  For how long?  5 minutes?  5 hours? 

I like laws with very clear-cut black and white definitions.  The fact that some of the most far-right voices in govt - like tancredo - don't like this bill tells you something. 

I guarantee you - if OBAMA was the one selling a bill giving police to stop anyone for no reason and check their papers - we'd be hearing cries of marxist and you'd have militias driving around carrying the Constitution INSTEAD of their IDs lol...

But since the GOp is selling it and Obama is against it - people are okay with it.


HDP, your line baffles me: "I'd rather see police abuse their power"
You're acceping the lesser of two evils... i think.  Why not say "i'd rather see the border tightened and current laws ENFORCED".  Why not say, "Deport them when they come in for medical care!"

But just saying "well, I'd rather be cuffed and detailed 10 or 20 times a year..."
I dont get that.   I understand the illegals suck and need to get out.  But accepting police abuse?  never.




240, the federal government and the pieces of shit in Congress and the White House are not enforcing the laws and have not enforced the laws for years. They want the illegal bloc of votes plain and simple. They could care less about the people that live in Arizona. The people of Arizona overwhlemingly feel that this is the only option left to protect themselves and their families.  I dont like giving the pigs more power either, but in this case I find it totally excusable in light of the situation.

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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2010, 08:03:51 AM »
Aren't you supposed to carry your green card with you at all times just as we are supposed to carry our DLs with us at all times?  I thought you were supposed to if you are an immigrant or if you are a visitor from another country you should carry your passport with you at all times?  Just asking.

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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2010, 08:21:50 AM »
However, many immigrants may not be aware of the fact that it is a legal requirement for Permanent Residents to carry their Permanent Resident Card with them at all times. If and only when a Permanent Residence chooses to become a naturalised citizen of America will they relinquish their Permanent Resident Card and no longer have to carry it with them. Under the "Now that you are a Permanent Resident" heading on the USCIS web site, it states: "The Permanent Resident Card, Form I-551, is issued to all Permanent Residents as evidence of alien registration and their Permanent status in the US. The card must be in your possession at all times."

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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2010, 08:23:49 AM »
However, many immigrants may not be aware of the fact that it is a legal requirement for Permanent Residents to carry their Permanent Resident Card with them at all times. If and only when a Permanent Residence chooses to become a naturalised citizen of America will they relinquish their Permanent Resident Card and no longer have to carry it with them. Under the "Now that you are a Permanent Resident" heading on the USCIS web site, it states: "The Permanent Resident Card, Form I-551, is issued to all Permanent Residents as evidence of alien registration and their Permanent status in the US. The card must be in your possession at all times."


BOOM!!! Just what I though!  Any other questions?

I know if you are just a visitor or tourist you also are supposed to keep your passport on you too. 

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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2010, 08:30:42 AM »
Aren't you supposed to carry your green card with you at all times just as we are supposed to carry our DLs with us at all times?  I thought you were supposed to if you are an immigrant or if you are a visitor from another country you should carry your passport with you at all times?  Just asking.

Yes, but when that immigrant applies for and is granted American citizenship, he has to turn in his green card to the Department of Homeland Security.  What then will he show the cops when he gets pulled over for speeding and the cops demand proof of legal US residency?

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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2010, 09:28:15 AM »
Yes, but when that immigrant applies for and is granted American citizenship, he has to turn in his green card to the Department of Homeland Security.  What then will he show the cops when he gets pulled over for speeding and the cops demand proof of legal US residency?

What would give the police officer reasonable suspicion to ask that?  It clearly defines that in the text of the law. 

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Re: Pat Buchanan: "Just whose country is this?"
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2010, 09:36:26 AM »
"240, the federal government and the pieces of shit in Congress and the White House are not enforcing the laws and have not enforced the laws for years. They want the illegal bloc of votes plain and simple. They could care less about the people that live in Arizona. The people of Arizona overwhlemingly feel that this is the only option left to protect themselves and their families.  I dont like giving the pigs more power either, but in this case I find it totally excusable in light of the situation. '

Very well put!