Yo Keith, you want to work out with me this Saturday?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Holy shit Swede I give you huge props you are wiser than your years.  It is funny when I got sick what some people emailed me or called me or put on my Facebook.  Everyone I know how I never get sick.  They said "Superman" doesn't get sick.  I never drank alcohol (except a few times), never smoked a thing and never did drugs (except for the roids in 86').  I have always been super healthy and very hyper.  I used to put myself to sleep at night while thinking about what I was going to do at the gym the next day.  There would be times I am driving home and I see all the traffic and couldn't wait to get home and grab my tire and start pulling it around so people could see me.  I couldn't be outside enough.  When that stopped all of a sudden it hit me bigtime.  I always figured nothing could get me down physically or mentally till this shit happened.  Well reality hit me.  That is when I get a little pissed off on here when I read when guys say shit about older BB's or people that aren't in shape like they used to be.  Shit happens and there are times you just can't do what you used to do.  I used to think and feel I was so strong I remember telling my friends I seriously thought if I never lifted a weight again even at 60 I would be able to bench 400.  We holy shit I found out that ain't happening as easy as I thought.

When I look what happened to me and what has happened to others I feel like a huge pussy cause in reality what happened to me isn't as bad as losing a limb or having something like that.  But, it has made it physically very difficult to do what I want to do.  The last thing in the world I thought would happen is me getting this fat.  I remember the last time I stepped onto a scale was just before I went back to Hawaii.  I weighed 390.  I swear to god I did not feel I gained 90 pounds.  I was walking fine, felt pretty good when I wasn't sick from the monthly reactions.  I didn't really notice I guess.  The photo below was taken about a month or so after I got to Hawaii in 2000.  I figured I weighed about 400.  I got back into the gym and then got sick and this is what happened to me for next several years.  Time fucking flys.

Anyway, I know I have came on here and said I have started this and that and dieting and whatever. And I did and have.  But then something would happen like this shit that happened a couple months ago.  It is almost like my body don't want to get back into shape.  I have gone back starting to lift heavy,  I always say it is better to be fat and strong than be fat and weak.  If I am going to be in the gym I want to be at least the strongest.  And it worked everytime until I get sick and then I have to take a couple months off again (just like this last time).  So, as much as I hate to do it I am back in the gym on Monday to do just cardio some leg and ab work.  I always stretch and am still very limber so I don't worry about that.  I need to get rid of my gut and ass.  

I am going to take some measurements and post them on here.  I am not going to measure my waist or hips.  I know already they are huge.  I will measure my ankles, wrists, arms, legs and shoulder.  I have never done this and I want to document it.  As long as I am healthy and can workout I will go to the gym.  I really am sick and tired of being this way.  I have money coming in and I have alot of things I want to do that I can't.  

I have reconnected with so many people I have not seen in 20+ years of Facebook.  Quite a few girls who I either used to go out with or wanted to.  I have an old girlfriend in Hawaii who owns a million dollar+ home in Portlock who I talk to almost everyday who I can tell wants to get back with me.  All these people have no idea what I look like right now,.  They know now I got sick and gained weight but think I lost it all.  I have had two of them actually come to Vegas to see me and I made up excuses why I couldn't see them.  In fact I have had several people come to Vegas to see me and I have not seen any of them except a couple.  My oldest friend and a girl and her mom who I grew up with.  Not many people know exactly what I look like right now.  So this is a huge driving force why I want to finally be more serious and get back into shape.

Also, my biggest inspiration is my kids and grandkids.  I have not seen my oldest daughter in 2 years cause I can't fly as easily as I used to.  I never have been away from her this long.  She is my twin.  And I have not seen two of my grandkids.  I want to be back in good enough shape to go to Hawaii in October.  Then there is my youngest "rebel" daughter.  She came here to see me a few days ago.  I have spent the past few days with her.  She is so awesome.  And when she started crying to tell me to get back into shape that fucking killed me.  So I am fucking serious this time.  No more being fucking lazy and alot of things changing in the diet.  

And then there is my Getbig bros.  I gotta tell you no matter what goes on here this place really does get me thinking and encourages me.  All the fat jokes and ragging even if I get mad it still hits me.  Most of you guys are awesome and if we ever met would have a blast.  I spent 40 years being the life of the party and I enjoyed that alot more than the shit going on now.  So you guys do help.  Even the angry posts I put about Goodrum at least gets my pulse up so I get a little cardio with that.

So thanks for all the support.  I have alot of people and even companies waiting for me to get into shape,  They seem to think it would be very inspirational and that something very rewarding will come out of it.  So it is time.  At 50 I will show that you can still lose 200 pounds on your own.  

By the way I will still rag on Goodrum and occasionally TA.  Even though TA can be very annoying at times he seems pretty smart (maybe not as smart as he pretends) and he at least has a good body but I still have to put him in his place.

Keith, honestly you need to get a life.  Being in your current position, you have no business whatsoever ragging on anyone whether its me, TA, his girlfriend...etc.  If you didn't bother me so much and other people, then I would not have put up the emails from your business partners where you ripped them off last month.

Spend more time doing something more productive like getting in shape and stop making excuses for yourself because you've been saying the same stuff for the past 5 years on Getbig about how you are going to get in shape and etc.  Instead you put your energy into typing mindless dribble. 

Mind your business Keith, don't bother other people especially when they don't even say anything to you.  You bring it upon yourself when you go and trash people for no reason.

[The True Adonis]

You are good kid Swede.  You are right about doing this for myself.  I know since I don't feel good about myself I am not going to let others see me like this.  My problem has been the procrastinating and just not go out and do it like I did when I was younger.  I would get 25 pounds overweight before and get so fired up I would lose it in a week or so.  The most important thing you need is a goal.  no matter what.  now I have set one so I will go for it.  And the logbook thing is something I do with the diet and now the measurement.  Never had a logbook for training.  Don't need one for that.  For the first month or so just cardio and some leg work with abs and stretching.  Once I get my cardio endurance up I can train and do cardio.

Keith, how about making a thread on Getbig as your LogBook so all of us here can help and catch you if you start to fall off track..  Could you also update it daily?   I think you will be surprised at the response you will get.  Include what you eat everyday (a must) and perhaps your workouts- You don`t have to include weight used, just exercise, reps and sets.

[Mr Nobody]

Wow some long ass posts in this thread, anyone wanna summarize? 

I'll do it in around 8 hours still on page 1.

[affeman]

Wow some long ass posts in this thread, anyone wanna summarize? 

Keith wants to get back in shape (once again), Swede considers himself as a guru for getting in shape.

[Natural Man]

Danielson not training right now.  Been off for almost 2 months,  Was out 5 weeks with pneumonia and hypoxia.  I put that on here awhile back.  Spent some time in the hospital.  So probably not.  Try to be here for the Olympia and we can get a good workout in.  Sorry but just don't look or feel good enough right now.  So go ahead and flame away.  But, I can't help what happens right now.

everytime we ask you about your training you re "off" it for some reason. Funny isnt it. And always because of some bullshit medical excuse; spider bite, pneumonia etc , you used almost all pathologies known to man until now to justify your sheer lack of will. Amazing.

Just fucking quit eating and whining ffs. Quit using the computer, i bet it's a huge reason why you dont make any progresses and keep stuck in your shortcomings.

And read this.

When Panic Attacks:  The New, Drug-Free Anxiety Therapy. That Can Change Your Life. By David D. Burns, M.D

http://www.amazon.com/When-Panic-Attacks-Drug-Free-Anxiety/dp/076792083X

have a good read.

[pellius]

I have no doubt in my mind that he is a pedophile. Single, spends his time with young members of his gym, cruising the internet for pics of young guys, takes pics of shirtless twinks and puts them online etc. 

Come on, danielson. The man has children and grandchildren. And do you even know what a pedophile is? It's sexual attraction to PREpubescent children. And, seriously, how do you know how he spends his time? "... with young member of his gym.", "cruising the internet for pics of young guys." Really? I know you don't like him and you seem like a good enough guy except when it comes to Vince but that kind of accusation is pretty low. Is this more of your "joking around" that you mentioned previously. My impression of how Vince spends his time is that he is a serious and accomplished photographer and takes pictures of anything and everything. Also, he's a gifted, I don't know what you call it, tinkerer? Meaning he likes to work with his hands and some of the equipments he has designed and constructed is magnificent. 
 

[pellius]

You are good kid Swede.  You are right about doing this for myself.  I know since I don't feel good about myself I am not going to let others see me like this.  My problem has been the procrastinating and just not go out and do it like I did when I was younger.  I would get 25 pounds overweight before and get so fired up I would lose it in a week or so.  The most important thing you need is a goal.  no matter what.  now I have set one so I will go for it.  And the logbook thing is something I do with the diet and now the measurement.  Never had a logbook for training.  Don't need one for that.  For the first month or so just cardio and some leg work with abs and stretching.  Once I get my cardio endurance up I can train and do cardio.

Swede has a good point but sometimes there's nothing wrong with doing things for others. Would a person care as much about their looks if they were stranded alone on a desert island? Sometimes valuing something greater than yourself is a much bigger motivator than doing things just for yourself. Why does a man die for his children or for his country? Because they mean more to him than his very life. When your little girl is  in front of you crying  because she sees you dying a slow death than what more does a father need? That would be way more for me and not just because of me but because of her. A father plays and symbolizes a special role to a child and you should strive to live up to it regardless of how you feel about yourself.

[bigdumbbell]

that's like Oprah.  i just read where she has a chef, a dietician, psychiatrist and a trainer but when she's alone she calls room service and orders two large Pecan Pies and consumes both in 30 minutes all by herself.    no one can do it for you.   

[danielson]

Come on, danielson. The man has children and grandchildren. And do you even know what a pedophile is? It's sexual attraction to PREpubescent children. And, seriously, how do you know how he spends his time? "... with young member of his gym.", "cruising the internet for pics of young guys." Really? I know you don't like him and you seem like a good enough guy except when it comes to Vince but that kind of accusation is pretty low. Is this more of your "joking around" that you mentioned previously. My impression of how Vince spends his time is that he is a serious and accomplished photographer and takes pictures of anything and everything. Also, he's a gifted, I don't know what you call it, tinkerer? Meaning he likes to work with his hands and some of the equipments he has designed and constructed is magnificent. 
 

I always had my suspicions about him, but after the concrete proof that Goodrum posted, it's kind of hard to ignore.

[pellius]

I always had my suspicions about him, but after the concrete proof that Goodrum posted, it's kind of hard to ignore.

Well, I don't know what you mean by concrete proof. He actually has pics of Vince fondling or having sex with a prepubescent?
Pictures of 15-17 year olds on vacation hardly makes one a pedo.

[danielson]

Well, I don't know what you mean by concrete proof. He actually has pics of Vince fondling or having sex with a prepubescent?
Pictures of 15-17 year olds on vacation hardly makes one a pedo.

What is your opinion about a 68 year old man who takes pics of young boys in their underwear and puts them online for other perverts to enjoy?

[Van_Bilderass]

Keith, have you thought of, or has a doctor suggested a Gastric bypass procedure? You don't need to diet if you do this since you CAN'T eat excessively.

I'm sure there's potential complications from this, but then again weighing that much won't lead to a long life either.

[pellius]

What is your opinion about a 68 year old man who takes pics of young boys in their underwear and puts them online for other perverts to enjoy?

Inappropriate but the pics I saw were guys well into their teens wearing swimming trunks.

I only know Vince from a bodybuilding perspective and he comes across as someone who is very disenchanted with the direction this sport has taken (as many others have). He has also been around the sport for decades and has been in the thick of things and some interesting experiences to share. I though I may not agree with everything he says regarding training and nutrition he's a critical thinker and, despite our differences, I consider seriously what he says.

I've known him from the boards for years, pre-Getbig and there's never been anything about him that will lead me to believe any untoward about him. The feud with Goodrum is nasty and long running so I wouldn't put much stock in what Goodrum has to say about him. Anything can be taken out of context. My cousin had a birthday party for his 7 year old daughter and all her friends were there along with those big water slides they could play on. They were all in their swim suits and everyone was taking pictures. My cousin gave me his camera as he wanted me to take some pic of the kids using the slide as he was video taping it. Yeah, so I took pics of little girls in swim suits and some even topless here in Hawaii where we are a little less prudish, or innocent, than the rest of the state. Does that make me and everyone else there a pedophile? I wouldn't be surprised if SusanFitness just quoted the one sentence in this thread trying to "prove" that I'm a pervert because I admitted to taking pics of topless  six year olds.

Context defines everything.

Anyway, not wanting to pick a fight with you or anything but those are pretty serious accusations based on "proof" provided by Basile's greatest nemesis on this board. Anyway "Good dinkum."  

[noworries]

Keith, honestly you need to get a life.  Being in your current position, you have no business whatsoever ragging on anyone whether its me, TA, his girlfriend...etc.  If you didn't bother me so much and other people, then I would not have put up the emails from your business partners where you ripped them off last month.

Spend more time doing something more productive like getting in shape and stop making excuses for yourself because you've been saying the same stuff for the past 5 years on Getbig about how you are going to get in shape and etc.  Instead you put your energy into typing mindless dribble. 

Mind your business Keith, don't bother other people especially when they don't even say anything to you.  You bring it upon yourself when you go and trash people for no reason.

Goodrum the only thing I do is "call you out" when you make threads or posts about shit you hav e no idea about.  you are a fraud and a fake and you need ot be put in your place.  So far I have called you out several times and you can't answer.  Still waiting for the photo of you actually wrestling in the ring.I have fun with you.  You matter to me as much as the shit I take each morning.  but like that shit I gotta do it everyday.  You are a whipping post for me and man others.  As long as you continue to bullshit and be a pretender then I will be there.  But, then again if you didn't do all this bullshitting then you would have nothing to say on here.

[Vince B]

Keith is now morbidly obese. The reality sickens him because he is on record here as being highly critical of them and doesn't fancy fat women in the least. Morbid obesity is when you are over 40% fat. Okay, Keith used to be a huge guy but he was solid and strong as hell. He could outlift most guys in any gym and was a world contender in arm wrestling. About 10 years ago he got bitten by something. He was told it was probably a Brown Recluse Spider. The venom in this spider can lead to a flesh eating disorder that is very difficult to treat. One of his legs swelled up like a balloon and he posted photos showing it at around 31 inches. Clearly, this was an extremely serious medical condition and overtook Keith's health and left him practically an invalid with mobility and health problems that persist. He admits he is well over 400 pounds. No matter what he tries he ends up sick or in the hospital. The scary reality might be that he may never completely recover from this disease/venom. His body seems to be in alarm mode trying to cope with the venom that has occupied part of his body. I have little idea of the disorder but from what Keith tells us it seems to be recurring. When you get infections on your skin and in your body you can end up with a condition called cellulitis or other infections. The limb will remain permanently swollen, hard, hot and painful. It will impede normal activities such as walking and exercising.

Because of the long recovery period, Keith has not been active. This episode has really shocked Keith and he became depressed because he was not able to bounce back and get his lifestyle back. The fun of living evaporated and even though he is strong willed he found it challenging to cope with being a handicapped person. Things would be fine for a while then some symptoms would present and his recovery would start all over again. Along the way he told us he ended up overeating and the additional bodyweight might have compounded his sickness or added more stress for his body to deal with. Obesity can creep into our bodies and not alarm us until well advanced.

If you take a previously healthy and fit person and they are unable to exercise or have fun they will soon become someone they never were. Once morbid obesity overtakes your body you really are in trouble. Bodybuilders are confident it is an easy condition to reverse. You know, stop overeating and do heaps of cardio and bodybuilding and other activity. Well, when you are really heavy you don't have to desire to do too much. You also get winded quickly so your endurance isn't what it once was. When you do any activity you overheat quickly and end up sweating and feeling uncomfortable. If you live in a hot climate this will also impact on your cooling mechanism and it will be hell during the long hot months. The sad reality of mobidly obese people is that it is a condition extremely difficult to reverse. Those of us who are not huge in size and weight have little or no idea what it is like to deal with and cope with. These people are ashamed of their bodies and shun social contact. They dislike the stares and ridicule coming from others so they seldom go out in public and certainly never join gyms. They don't go to the beach or public swimming pools.

It is possible to reverse excess obesity and Keith and everyone here knows this. Those who are morbidly obese do not find it so easy. It is as if their bodies do not want them to lose any fat. All that adipose tissue impacts on the body systems and even changes some of it. What was thought to be easy turns out to be almost impossible for those who are so fat. Keith's family, relatives and friends all encourage him to improve. There is nothing more important to him at the moment but so far his improvement seems to be a complete failure and he might even have been getting heavier. Many very fat people end up with all manner of health issues such as heart disease and diabetes. This is not an enviable future at all and one that most of us hope never presents to us.

All we can do is encourage him and refrain from the taunts and ridicule about his size and weight. He doesn't need that additional discouragement. Well, Goodrum is entitled to bag Keith because Goodrum gets bashed unmercifully by no worries. If only Keith didn't have any worries.

[danielson]

Keith is now morbidly obese. The reality sickens him because he is on record here as being highly critical of them and doesn't fancy fat women in the least. Morbid obesity is when you are over 40% fat. Okay, Keith used to be a huge guy but he was solid and strong as hell. He could outlift most guys in any gym and was a world contender in arm wrestling. About 10 years ago he got bitten by something. He was told it was probably a Brown Recluse Spider. The venom in this spider can lead to a flesh eating disorder that is very difficult to treat. One of his legs swelled up like a balloon and he posted photos showing it at around 31 inches. Clearly, this was an extremely serious medical condition and overtook Keith's health and left him practically an invalid with mobility and health problems that persist. He admits he is well over 400 pounds. No matter what he tries he ends up sick or in the hospital. The scary reality might be that he may never completely recover from this disease/venom. His body seems to be in alarm mode trying to cope with the venom that has occupied part of his body. I have little idea of the disorder but from what Keith tells us it seems to be recurring. When you get infections on your skin and in your body you can end up with a condition called cellulitis or other infections. The limb will remain permanently swollen, hard, hot and painful. It will impede normal activities such as walking and exercising.

Because of the long recovery period, Keith has not been active. This episode has really shocked Keith and he became depressed because he was not able to bounce back and get his lifestyle back. The fun of living evaporated and even though he is strong willed he found it challenging to cope with being a handicapped person. Things would be fine for a while then some symptoms would present and his recovery would start all over again. Along the way he told us he ended up overeating and the additional bodyweight might have compounded his sickness or added more stress for his body to deal with. Obesity can creep into our bodies and not alarm us until well advanced.

If you take a previously healthy and fit person and they are unable to exercise or have fun they will soon become someone they never were. Once morbid obesity overtakes your body you really are in trouble. Bodybuilders are confident it is an easy condition to reverse. You know, stop overeating and do heaps of cardio and bodybuilding and other activity. Well, when you are really heavy you don't have to desire to do too much. You also get winded quickly so your endurance isn't what it once was. When you do any activity you overheat quickly and end up sweating and feeling uncomfortable. If you live in a hot climate this will also impact on your cooling mechanism and it will be hell during the long hot months. The sad reality of mobidly obese people is that it is a condition extremely difficult to reverse. Those of us who are not huge in size and weight have little or no idea what it is like to deal with and cope with. These people are ashamed of their bodies and shun social contact. They dislike the stares and ridicule coming from others so they seldom go out in public and certainly never join gyms. They don't go to the beach or public swimming pools.

It is possible to reverse excess obesity and Keith and everyone here knows this. Those who are morbidly obese do not find it so easy. It is as if their bodies do not want them to lose any fat. All that adipose tissue impacts on the body systems and even changes some of it. What was thought to be easy turns out to be almost impossible for those who are so fat. Keith's family, relatives and friends all encourage him to improve. There is nothing more important to him at the moment but so far his improvement seems to be a complete failure and he might even have been getting heavier. Many very fat people end up with all manner of health issues such as heart disease and diabetes. This is not an enviable future at all and one that most of us hope never presents to us.

All we can do is encourage him and refrain from the taunts and ridicule about his size and weight. He doesn't need that additional discouragement. Well, Goodrum is entitled to bag Keith because Goodrum gets bashed unmercifully by no worries. If only Keith didn't have any worries.

They lose the weight on The Biggest Loser all the time. It takes hard work and willpower. Obviously depression will make his situation harder, however, given the fact that he was once in great shape I think he has an advantage over those tubbies on the show.

[Vince B]

My thanks to Pellius for saying what he did about me here. We have had our differences in the past but once he stopped the unfair namecalling things were okay between us. The guy has a good heart and is fair minded. He clearly sees how unfair some have been towards me and I acknowledge his support. Sometimes having just one supporter on a forum makes all the difference in the world.

Photography is my main interest in life at the moment. I have invested about $30,000 in cameras, lenses and computers. I enjoy getting out taking photos whether this is in the mountains or in the city or at the beach. Wherever I go people ask me to take their photos. Sometimes I use my camera and post their photos on my site so they can have a 21 Mp image for a souvenir. I like to share my photography. That is a simple gift one can give to others. Decades ago you could take photos of families and kids that you knew and present them with snapshops as gifts. Today we give them digital copies. That is what I do and if I happen to talk to some people who are in my photos then I give them a link to my site and email them the link. That is easy to do with our cell phones today. You can take a photo and email it to someone. It is a simple matter to email them a URL. I have a public site and am not ashamed of any photos I have there. There are no photos of underaged kids as some suggest. That really is inaccurate and even slanderous.

On Getbig if people want to stir you they call you stupid, gay, or perverted. Some of us get called all three. According to Danielson, it is just the lads having some fun. Yeah, most of the time that is exactly what it is. However, some people here have agendas and attack others because they have hunches this person might be a worry. Well, what evidence besides a hunch do they have? Bugger all, yet that doesn't stop them from what becomes a vendetta. That really has no place on an open and responsible discussion forum. In real life I like to shit stir as good as anyone I know. I like to have a laugh and point out the foibles in others. That doesn't always make me popular but l discovered long ago that most of us don't have many friends anyway. What I find repugnant is when guys like Danielson make up false stuff about me. Several times he has posted that I did things I never did. He has apologized several times for doing so but recently has the excuse that all the archives here on Getbig have disappeared. In the vacuum he thinks he is entitled to start the false accusations again. That is why I call him an asshole.

[danielson]

My thanks to Pellius for saying what he did about me here. We have had our differences in the past but once he stopped the unfair namecalling things were okay between us. The guy has a good heart and is fair minded. He clearly sees how unfair some have been towards me and I acknowledge his support. Sometimes having just one supporter on a forum makes all the difference in the world.

Photography is my main interest in life at the moment. I have invested about $30,000 in cameras, lenses and computers. I enjoy getting out taking photos whether this is in the mountains or in the city or at the beach. Wherever I go people ask me to take their photos. Sometimes I use my camera and post their photos on my site so they can have a 21 Mp image for a souvenir. I like to share my photography. That is a simple gift one can give to others. Decades ago you could take photos of families and kids that you knew and present them with snapshops as gifts. Today we give them digital copies. That is what I do and if I happen to talk to some people who are in my photos then I give them a link to my site and email them the link. That is easy to do with our cell phones today. You can take a photo and email it to someone. It is a simple matter to email them a URL. I have a public site and am not ashamed of any photos I have there. There are no photos of underaged kids as some suggest. That really is inaccurate and even slanderous.

On Getbig if people want to stir you they call you stupid, gay, or perverted. Some of us get called all three. According to Danielson, it is just the lads having some fun. Yeah, most of the time that is exactly what it is. However, some people here have agendas and attack others because they have hunches this person might be a worry. Well, what evidence besides a hunch do they have? Bugger all, yet that doesn't stop them from what becomes a vendetta. That really has no place on an open and responsible discussion forum. In real life I like to shit stir as good as anyone I know. I like to have a laugh and point out the foibles in others. That doesn't always make me popular but l discovered long ago that most of us don't have many friends anyway. What I find repugnant is when guys like Danielson make up false stuff about me. Several times he has posted that I did things I never did. He has apologized several times for doing so but recently has the excuse that all the archives here on Getbig have disappeared. In the vacuum he thinks he is entitled to start the false accusations again. That is why I call him an asshole.

Some of your behavior is questionable to say the least. Do I think you would harm a young kid in any way? Of course not. You may or may not be attracted to young men, and honestly I don't give a shit, because you aren't affecting my life or hurting anyone. Same way Goodrum never affects your life or hurts anyone, yet you obsess over him constantly for God knows what reason. See the parallels?

[pellius]

They lose the weight on The Biggest Loser all the time. It takes hard work and willpower. Obviously depression will make his situation harder, however, given the fact that he was once in great shape I think he has an advantage over those tubbies on the show.

But he has health issues stemming from the spider bite. He's never been the same since.

[Van_Bilderass]

But he has health issues stemming from the spider bite. He's never been the same since.

My guess is that the excess weight does NOT help the issues he's having with his leg (and whatever other problems he has from the bite). Uneducated guess but I'd say the issues might improve dramatically if he lost a couple hundred pounds.

[Vince B]

Ah, the Goodrum bagging. Well, that dude gives as good as he gets, only he and you fabricate stuff to suit your agendas. I never falsify reality or reinvent it. Never. It is something I dislike in the extreme when others do that. Why do you misquote what I have posted and also write that I sent you messages I never did? That really is appalling. If you have evidence to support your accusations then post what you have and stop this slanderous bullshit. Your avatar is slanderous towards me and I find that really nasty. Or is that your idea of a joke? That is the lowest 'joke' one can make even on this forum.

What is the difference between my bagging Goodrum and your attacking me? You feel entitled to do so even if you are not justified. Keith, me and several others have been bagging Goodrum and he continues to bullshit all day long. No matter how many times he is exposed for his bullshitting he comes back and posts some more. So, Keith and I have to respond and try to sort him out. It is almost stimulus-response and no one involved is changing one iota. Sure, sometimes it might seem unfair and over time look like stalking or something but that isn't at all what is happening. I don't go overboard in my posts to Goodrum. I even try to help the guy but he is so suspicious he interprets everything I post to him as unwelcome. I used to make some guys at my gym into local heroes just because they were interesting characters. Goodrum is like that. No matter what happens to him he bounces back as if nothing was wrong. Shit, the guy is gay and is still here! He comes last in every contest he enterred and he is still here! How many of us would be like he is? Nobody. Goodrum is a gift to any forum because he remains the town fool and everyone has a laugh no matter how earnest the guy is. Why do you say 98% of the stuff posted here is for fun then not give others credit for having fun themselves? We all have different senses of humour but I assure you I have a very good sense of humour.

[Smanjh]

But he has health issues stemming from the spider bite. He's never been the same since.

Yeah, that is understandable. I hope Keith reads my posts still, I mean him no harm, and I did not realize the whole story before I acted like a jackass and said things I wished I could take back.

I understand the depression, and I understand being farther from where you want to be than you ever where. I was to the point where I was in bed most of the day. I slept all the time, and sat around being depressed, and I was addicted to food binging. I came to the realization that I had to forgive myself for the past and do my best to move on.

So I was making little goals, like:

1. Get out of bed, prepare my food in advance.

2. Do rehab work for my back.

3. Go check the mail

4. Start going out and shopping during the daylight and not at 3 am.

It went on and on like that. I got comfortable with the little things again, and I made sure to have a slight calorie deficit the whole time. I did mess around with the diet and read a lot about different approaches, and they really are not for me or anyone else really, but in my case, fat loss was the number one priority so the caloric deficit was the constant.

The problem with the 'let's get in shape' mentality is that people change so many things at once and burn themselves out. Keith may believe in the typical 'bodybuilding diet', which is fine. However, when you are depressed, angry, sad, etc. food is your drug, you comfort. Changing all of these things, like going from eating whatever you like to eating nothing but 'healthy' stuff sucks, and there is no gratification in it. It is like you spend a few weeks in hell trying to kick the habit of loving food.

So, in his case, he should just figure up his calories, and eat 500 less a day like normal and see what happens. He could drop them by a thousand if he wanted to, and have a good cheat day 1 time every week or so. He should still eat what he likes, and just do this until the weight stops dropping, then reduce again. Eventually he will be light enough to work out or walk or whatever. It may take him 3-6 months to get to that point, but he will get there.

Then, when he is detoxed from over eating and using food as a drug, he can change what he eats if he wants.

But doing it all at the same time in his mindset is like trying to climb that mountain with a weighted vest and one leg.

[Vince B]

That is very good advice.

[Natural Man]

[Smanjh]

That is very good advice.

Thank you very much Vince. I apologize for questioning your photography motives, I was just trying to have fun as well.

I really think Keith would do well on something like I outlined. He would be carrying tons of muscle mass already, it is just not optimized anymore and deconditioned. You never know how he is viewing all of this, the mountain he sees in front of him may be bigger than anything we can imagine.

I would work with the doctors as well. Maybe they can give him some medicine or real diet pills or something to dramatically speed things up. The goal would be to get him within 100 pounds of his goal, then let him go hard at the gym again once he feels comfortable. I mean, he can train anytime, but I hope he doesn't have the mindset of: I can't get the diet perfect, and I don't feel like working out, so why bother?