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Re: Obama called out the Swat Team on Granny - What a bitch.
« Reply #125 on: November 22, 2010, 04:14:55 PM »
Yeah whatever mal.  Keep your hope amd change fairie tales going. 

I posted the words right out of his mouth.  If you don't want to watch the one minute clip and wake up from your obama love story, fine, who am I to try to change your mind? 



but im like posting what he said about that..
Mr. Krugman's response was, "Right now, the charge that's gaining the most traction is the claim that health care reform will create 'death panels' (in Sarah Palin's words) that will shuffle the elderly and others off to an early grave. It's a complete fabrication, of course."


So do you just ignore that for an argument?

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Re: Obama called out the Swat Team on Granny - What a bitch.
« Reply #126 on: November 15, 2011, 02:17:17 PM »
Obama Nominee for Social Security Board Favors Rationing Health Care
Jeffrey H. Anderson
November 15, 2011 4:17 PM



Is it just a coincidence that the people that President Obama nominates to fill high-level governmental posts tend to favor government-directed health care rationing?  Last year, Obama nominated Donald Berwick to head Medicare and Medicaid. Now he’s nominated Henry J. Aaron to head the Social Security Advisory Board.

Berwick, to whom Obama issued a dubious recess appointment to circumvent the usual Senate confirmation, has become notorious for statements like, “The decision is not whether or not we will ration care — the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open” — and, in progressive-speak, “The social budget is limited.”

Aaron, a recent Obama nominee, has expressed similar views. He wrote a piece earlier this year called, “The Independent Payment Advisory Board — Congress's ‘Good Deed.’” The grisly IPAB, one of the most underreported of Obamacare’s myriad of liberty-sapping features, would have the power to cut Medicare spending each year — if Obamacare isn’t repealed first. The dictates of its 15 unelected members would effectively become law. In fact, Congress couldn’t even overturn the IPAB’s decrees with a majority vote in each house and the President’s signature. 

Obama has since doubled-down on the IPAB, seeking to grant it even more power to cut Medicare spending than Obamacare would grant it. To be clear, this is in addition to the nearly $1 trillion that the Congressional Budget Office says would be siphoned out of Medicare and spent on Obamacare during the overhaul’s real first decade (2014 to 2023).

Aaron praises the IPAB, although he does admit to having a few problems with it. He thinks that its largely unchecked power isn’t unchecked enough, as the board should be able to order payment reductions for other aspects of medical care that have so far escaped its statutory grant of power. He writes,

“I admit that the provisions governing the IPAB are less than optimal. For example, recommendations regarding payments to acute and long-term care hospitals, hospices and inpatient rehabilitation and psychiatric facilities are off-limits until 2020; and those to clinical laboratories are off-limits until 2016. These politically motivated restrictions should be repealed as early as possible so the IPAB’s recommendations can comprehend the delivery system as a whole.”

Aaron says that “the survival and strengthening of the IPAB is of critical importance.”  In a sense, this is unsurprising, given his earlier views, which were captured in a Washington Post story published during the Reagan administration (when Aaron was in his late 40s).  The Post article reads,

“If Americans are serious about curbing medical costs, they’ll have to face up to a much tougher issue than merely cutting waste, says Brookings Institution economist Henry J. Aaron.

“They’ll have to do what the British have done: ration some types of costly medical care — which means turning away patients from proven treatments.

“Cutting billions worth of ‘pure waste’ — in needless hospitalization, surplus beds, Cadillac-model machinery and superfluous tests — would only temporarily slow the growth in health spending, which now tops 10 percent a year, Aaron told a symposium sponsored by the American Academy of Physician Assistants last week in Reston.

“Eventually the ‘cornucopia of technology’ and America’s aging population will combine to drive up health costs by 6 or 7 percent a year anyway unless something else is done, he said.

“That ‘something else’ is what Aaron calls the ‘second stage’ of cost control. It’s a much more complex step, requiring choices that no one — doctor, patient or politician — likes to make.

“Aaron and Dr. William B. Schwartz, professor of medicine at Tufts University School of Medicine, recently completed a study of how these choices are made in Britain, a country which spends half as much per person as the United States on health care.

“Some medical services widely available in the United States are strictly rationed in Britain, Aaron and Schwartz report in their book, ‘The Painful Prescription.’ For example, British doctors order half as many X-rays per capita as their American counterparts, and use half as much film per X-ray. They do one-tenth as much coronary artery bypass surgery. British hospitals have one-sixth as many CAT scanners and less than one-fifth as many intensive care unit (ICU) beds....

“Half the patients with chronic kidney failure in Britain are left untreated — and die as a result….

“The key to the British system, they contend, lies not in regulation but in a different attitude toward medicine, mortality and the scarcity of resources.

“Unlike their American counterparts, who tend to believe in saving lives at all cost, British doctors define ‘what is best’ in terms of ‘what is available,’ Aaron said.

“As the director of a tiny 10-bed ICU in an 800-bed London hospital put it: ‘Yes, this would be too small in America. But if you took this unit and set it down in Sri Lanka or India, it would stick out like a sore thumb. It would be an obscene waste of money.’

“The burden of enforcing medical rationing in Britain falls mainly on doctors, who act as ‘gatekeepers’ in the system. They know funds for kidney dialysis are limited, so they simply don’t refer older patients for the life-saving treatment.

“Asked how he could turn away over-55 kidney patients from life-saving dialysis, one doctor told Aaron and Schwartz: ‘What you don’t seem to understand is that everybody over the age of 55 is a bit crumbly.’…

“It will be ‘a lot harder to move into this second stage of rationing in the U.S.,’ Aaron warned.

“The American public has not yet begun to understand what is being asked of it when it comes to limiting the growth in hospital spending.”

Indeed.

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Obama calling out the Grim Reaper on Granny now.   

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Re: Obama called out the Swat Team on Granny - What a bitch.
« Reply #127 on: November 15, 2011, 02:21:59 PM »
333 - what's this got to do with your lie about Obama and a local SWAT team

Why not just start a new thread for whatever new lie it is you're trying to promote?

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Re: Obama called out the Swat Team on Granny - What a bitch.
« Reply #128 on: November 15, 2011, 02:27:04 PM »
333 - what's this got to do with your lie about Obama and a local SWAT team

Why not just start a new thread for whatever new lie it is you're trying to promote?

Seems like Bama is callin out all the forces for the old folks to put them in ground no?     

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Re: Obama called out the Swat Team on Granny - What a bitch.
« Reply #129 on: November 15, 2011, 02:40:49 PM »
but im like posting what he said about that..
Mr. Krugman's response was, "Right now, the charge that's gaining the most traction is the claim that health care reform will create 'death panels' (in Sarah Palin's words) that will shuffle the elderly and others off to an early grave. It's a complete fabrication, of course."


So do you just ignore that for an argument?


Yes... you do

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Re: Obama called out the Swat Team on Granny - What a bitch.
« Reply #130 on: November 15, 2011, 03:16:25 PM »
Seems like Bama is callin out all the forces for the old folks to put them in ground no?     

it only seems that way to really stupid people such as yourself

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Re: Obama called out the Swat Team on Granny - What a bitch.
« Reply #131 on: November 15, 2011, 03:19:49 PM »
it only seems that way to really stupid people such as yourself


He is stealing their savings via inflation, death panels, etc.   

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Re: Obama called out the Swat Team on Granny - What a bitch.
« Reply #132 on: November 16, 2011, 05:27:01 AM »
Dredging up a lie that got you busted by posting another lie?

That's really the thing a sane person would have done.

Carry on dumbass.

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Re: Obama called out the Swat Team on Granny - What a bitch.
« Reply #133 on: November 16, 2011, 06:24:28 AM »
Dredging up a lie that got you busted by posting another lie?

That's really the thing a sane person would have done.

Carry on dumbass.

owning this guy is too fucking easy... someone else please start some shit

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Re: Obama called out the Swat Team on Granny - What a bitch.
« Reply #134 on: November 16, 2011, 06:26:11 AM »
owning this guy is too fucking easy... someone else please start some shit

LOL.   You owned yourself in Nov. 2008 fool. 

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Re: Obama called out the Swat Team on Granny - What a bitch.
« Reply #135 on: November 16, 2011, 06:29:12 AM »
LOL.   You owned yourself in Nov. 2008 fool. 


right... its only 5000 miles away

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Re: Obama called out the Swat Team on Granny - What a bitch.
« Reply #136 on: November 16, 2011, 08:39:38 AM »
LOL.   You owned yourself in Nov. 2008 fool. 

Not as bad as Obama owns your mind.  Especially when he doesn't drop out and seek a pardon next year like you claim.

Stupidity for you is like oxygen for everyone else.