was anyone here smart enough to major in medicine?

[Devon97]

My wife is a nurse praticioner.  Less schooling and she does ok.  Works 40-50 hours a week I think she's at around 130 a year, which covers our car payments and dinners.

Awesome! 

Livin' the life!

[Coach is Back!]

under obamacare, doctors will make more $ going on welfare.  I saw it on FOX.

Under Obama care no one will want to become a doctor!

[theworm]

I heard the worm is a doc...

i remember back when he posted his MD degree on here, ultimately making a fool of squadfather back in the day. 

[jwb]

I work for a big pharma company selling pills to docs is my job....my observation is that most Primary Care docs are miserable and most are probably not making the money they thought they would be when they chose medicine as a profession. 90% of them are overworked and overscrutinized by managed care plans and the like.

Now the Specialists on the other hand (Cardiologists, Uros, Derms, etc) are the ones raking in big money and seem happier in general. However the specialists have gone to school even longer than standard docs and have definitely put in a  tremendous amount of time and energy (not to mention $$$) to become specialty docs in the first place.

my wife is a specialist in radiology and does pretty well... mid 6 figures.

[suckmymuscle]

was anyone here smart enough to major in medicine?

  Nope.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

All arabs study engineering

its weird

seedy girls

  And yet pretty much all the engineers orking at the project of the gigantic ne building in Dubai are from China and India and the architects are all European. Arabs: incompetent at everything except murdering people.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[BIG ACH]

  And yet pretty much all the engineers orking at the project of the gigantic ne building in Dubai are from China and India and the architects are all European. Arabs: incompetent at everything except murdering people.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

   But I'm an Arab and I'm an Engineer, and I haven't murdered anyone 



LOL I've been to Burj Khalifa (Formerly Burj Dubai) pretty damn impressive, just Massive, its pretty cool when you see it from the plane just towers up to the clouds!

[efanhowz]

i work in a hospital and most doctors i bump into or interact with are fucking assholes. they really dont give a shit about anyone. probably because they are either overworked or just arrogant. healthcare is a great field to be in. even techs and specialists from a 2 year program can make great money like 80k starting. nursing starts around 100k too but most nurses i know have too many patients and way too stressed out. im aiming to get into PT school so i can set my own hours and make decent pay without wanting to blow my brains out after a shift

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Under Obama care no one will want to become a doctor!

 

You seriously need to quit watching Fox News.  The Health Care System was broken long before Obama was elected.  There's been a decline in the profession of doctors for many years now so its not going to get worse than it already is.

[outby43]

 

You seriously need to quit watching Fox News.  The Health Care System was broken long before Obama was elected.  There's been a decline in the profession of doctors for many years now so its not going to get worse than it already is.

decline in general practitioners yes...but most go into a specialized field now.

[theworm]

 

You seriously need to quit watching Fox News.  The Health Care System was broken long before Obama was elected.  There's been a decline in the profession of doctors for many years now so its not going to get worse than it already is.

you are wrong sir!   very ignorant on this topic.  With this shit passing, about 30% of docs are seriously considering retiring...

with more regulations, more and more smart American students are not going into med school and you are having more foreign med grads come over and be your doc.

why would anyone want to be a doc?  go to 12 years of school, average dept of 200k, then work harder and see more and more patients just to make money.  docs are going to be forced to see more and more medicaid patients for a lower and lower income.  why would anyone wanna be a doctor in that enviroment?

[what:]

 

You seriously need to quit watching Fox News.  The Health Care System was broken long before Obama was elected.  There's been a decline in the profession of doctors for many years now so its not going to get worse than it already is.

  You seriously need to finish the 8th grade. 

[pluck]

i work in a hospital and most doctors i bump into or interact with are fucking assholes. they really dont give a shit about anyone. probably because they are either overworked or just arrogant. healthcare is a great field to be in. even techs and specialists from a 2 year program can make great money like 80k starting. nursing starts around 100k too but most nurses i know have too many patients and way too stressed out. im aiming to get into PT school so i can set my own hours and make decent pay without wanting to blow my brains out after a shift

what the fucck are you talking about??
$80k after a 2 year program? Hahha
$100k for nurses? STARTING? maybe so...only if you're in a place where you can work overtime & it's near 100 hours a week.

Nursing managers don't even make six figures. You have no clue.

[YngiweRhoads]

what the fucck are you talking about??
$80k after a 2 year program? Hahha
$100k for nurses? STARTING? maybe so...only if you're in a place where you can work overtime & it's near 100 hours a week.

Nursing managers don't even make six figures. You have no clue.

This is in Canada, but technicians make crap money. X-ray technicians and sterile processing technicians make shit money. I wouldn't advocate 1-2 years of training to make 30-50 grand per year max. Unskilled labour makes that much here.

Nurses here, from what I gather from friends in the profession, start at around $28.00/hr , give or take. Other guitar player in my band is married to a nurse of 20 or so years and she make approx 80 grand a year before taxes. She is the head nurse at a local clinic.

[OneMoreRep]

what the fucck are you talking about??
$80k after a 2 year program? Hahha
$100k for nurses? STARTING? maybe so...only if you're in a place where you can work overtime & it's near 100 hours a week.

Nursing managers don't even make six figures. You have no clue.

While I can't speak for anyone coming out of some 2 year program making 80K, I will say that the average pay for nurses in big states like NY or California is around 80-90K and with overtime, most nurses see around 100K easy.

Nurse Practitioners usually start at around 110K - 120K, again depending on their state of practice.

Medical Doctors, practicing Internal Medicine at a teaching hospital, can start anywhere between 125K - 175K, depending on the demand.

Specialists (Attendings in the realm of Cardiac, GI, GU, Pulmonologists MDs) can start between 250K-350K...

Surgery is where the money is truly at.  Neurosurgeons, CardioThoracic surgeons, Colorectal and Orthopedic surgeons can make around half a million a year if they wanted to.

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[YngiweRhoads]

While I can't speak for anyone coming out of some 2 year program making 80K, I will say that the average pay for nurses in big states like NY or California is around 80-90K and with overtime, most nurses see around 100K easy.

Yep. I know nurses 'down south' making 100k.

[OneMoreRep]

Pluck,

In defense of YoungRhoads, here is a summary snapshot of what a head nurse or Nurse Manager makes in NYC starting, in particular, look at the median rate..

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P.S. Why exactly they make that much, don't know..

[pluck]

While I can't speak for anyone coming out of some 2 year program making 80K, I will say that the average pay for nurses in big states like NY or California is around 80-90K and with overtime, most nurses see around 100K easy.

Nurse Practitioners usually start at around 110K - 120K, again depending on their state of practice.

Medical Doctors, practicing Internal Medicine at a teaching hospital, can start anywhere between 125K - 175K, depending on the demand.

Specialists (Attendings in the realm of Cardiac, GI, GU, Pulmonologists MDs) can start between 250K-350K...

Surgery is where the money is truly at.  Neurosurgeons, CardioThoracic surgeons, Colorectal and Orthopedic surgeons can make around half a million a year if they wanted to.

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I work at a hospital so I know the ranges of salaries and my buddy's girl is a nurse at Loyola in Chicago.
Starting pay she's around $26/hour.
Most private hospitals frown on overtime. Goverment funded hospitals will let you work all the overtime you want in the world. A year or so ago the Chicago Tribune reported nurses making more than doctors with all the overtime...80+ hour weeks. Sure as a nurse you can make over $100K a year as a nurse...but you have to put in a lot of overtime.

Nurse practioners make great salary.
Specialists make bank too. They pay a lot in malpractice though.
I don't know about Canada salaries...but if that's true then wtf!

Just based off that graph those salaries are wayyy more than I know nursing managers make here in suburban Chicagoland. WHo knows how accurate it is though?

But with 20 years expereince with a degreee in MOST fields you're going to make atleast 80K/year.

[noworries]

you are wrong sir!   very ignorant on this topic.  With this shit passing, about 30% of docs are seriously considering retiring...

with more regulations, more and more smart American students are not going into med school and you are having more foreign med grads come over and be your doc.

why would anyone want to be a doc?  go to 12 years of school, average dept of 200k, then work harder and see more and more patients just to make money.  docs are going to be forced to see more and more medicaid patients for a lower and lower income.  why would anyone wanna be a doctor in that enviroment?

You are wrong here.  Goodrum started studying last week and through his online medical degree school he will have his license in 7 days and it only cost $75 plus $10 license fee (for frame), and $15 fee for the right to put M.D. after his name.  

[jtsunami]

under obamacare, doctors will make more $ going on welfare.  I saw it on FOX.

LOL they are like the onion

[jtsunami]

While I can't speak for anyone coming out of some 2 year program making 80K, I will say that the average pay for nurses in big states like NY or California is around 80-90K and with overtime, most nurses see around 100K easy.

Nurse Practitioners usually start at around 110K - 120K, again depending on their state of practice.

Medical Doctors, practicing Internal Medicine at a teaching hospital, can start anywhere between 125K - 175K, depending on the demand.

Specialists (Attendings in the realm of Cardiac, GI, GU, Pulmonologists MDs) can start between 250K-350K...

Surgery is where the money is truly at.  Neurosurgeons, CardioThoracic surgeons, Colorectal and Orthopedic surgeons can make around half a million a year if they wanted to.

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man this is disgusting, this is healthcare, helping people out and get better, yet the Republicans look at it as a business to cash in on.  Pure disgust 

[theworm]

repubs do not look at it as a biz.  are you kidding me?

what they do not tell you is that the average dept is 200k.  Malpractice insurance is another 90k for some docs.  Overhead is usally another 50% of that "income," then you get taxed about 42% on the rest.

It take the average doc 20+ years just to catch up to the plumber who has been working since high school.

I think repubs understand this and do not want their doc to be Habib from Pakistan.

[James28]

As my degree was mostly maths and I'm doing a part time degree which include financial maths, I'd say you need more 'smartness' to understand the complexities rather than forcing swaths of information into your skull as doctors mostly need to do in training. Both my cousins are en route to becoming doctors and my mum is a consultant specialising in internal medicine. There is some science to it but it's mostly just tons of info for trainee doctors.

[theworm]

its not all how much info you can cram in, James,  its also (and more importantly) on how you apply it.

neverthess, the thread title on this should be "anyone on here smart enough to NOT go into medicine?"  lol.

[Sarcastic Deity]

LOL they are like the onion

ahhaha...true

the idea that no one will want to be a doctor is bullshit.  the thing is, medical schools have so far been a "rich kids club", and that will now have to change.  sounds like a good plan