Why hardcore BB has a dark underbelly.

[Howard]

Face the facts folks, BB has always had a "dark side". Why?
Go back to the 60's and steroids were always a part of any serious BB's regime. Even before the federal gov made steroids a felony in 1990, useing roids was dubious and kept under wraps. In the 60's and 70's many bodybuilders trained at Venice Beach Ca or in NYC at a few well known "famous gyms". Most bodybuilders lacked any viable work skills or the desire the work a full time job.Unlike big time pro sports, the $$ earned directly from BB was small and inconsistant. Remember the 1st Mr O got a 1000 bucks on a silver plate.
They needed plenty of food, roids and time to train, etc. This led to hustling ( aka gay4pay, pose/play, etc).
Plenty of older, wealthy gay men wanted to "hook up" with the younger bodybuilders. Arnold talks openly about this in his book ;" Education of a BB". He tells of his involvement with a wealthy gay man called "Schrenck". In this account , Arnold claims it never got intimate and leaves it at that.
Unlike a lot of bodybuilders, Arnold had incredible work ethic and ambition beyond the gym. We all know the story of Arnold and his success, but how many "Arnold's" did BB produce? one!
The top male pro bodybuilders TODAY make enough from supplement contracts and BB related income to avoid "hustling".
However, plenty of lower tier pro , ( and amatuer)BB's engage in various forms of hustling today.
Due to the limited amount of $$$ to be made from female BB, a much larger % of top female BB's engage in various forms of hustling.
Think about it....combine a long history of hustling with required illegal drug use to win and you have a recipe for a perpetual dark side in any sport.
Of course 90% of those who enjoy BB as a lifestyle and hobby never deal with this dark side.

[jaejonna]

Men, oil, thongs and schmoes....there is your answer.

[io856]

Underbelly to plenty of pursuits.. Stripping is like bodybuilding in a way.. Think about that for a second.. But where is bodybuilding`s light side? All I see is dark..

[Howard]

Men, oil, thongs and schmoes....there is your answer.

Yeah, but for most fans and lifters NONE of the really bad crap exists.
Think about it. If you are a typical BB and work outside the industry, you never deal with any hustling

[Howard]

Underbelly to plenty of pursuits.. Stripping is like bodybuilding in a way.. Think about that for a second.. But where is bodybuilding`s light side? All I see is dark..

Take away the extreme drug use and make a living in viable career outside of BB and you have a great hobby/lifestyle.
By lifting, doing cardio and eating right you have better helath and look better than those who don't.

[stuntmovie]

Well stated, Howard, but most GetBiggers don't want to hear that.

They prefer the 'underbelly'.

[MadeYaMelt]

Look, the BBers who engage in this G4P and other bizarre shit choose too - not because they must, but because they are lazy.  Look at Ronnie Coleman, for example.  This guy remaining a cop, working full time while he trained and competed - it can be done.  As far as the drugs go, they are defiantly more involved and abused these days due to the introduction of peptides, HGH, and slin. 

Those who engage in G4P activities and are involved in porn activity online should NOT be allowed to participate in the IFBB.  It's as simple as that.  The IFBB is a private organization and has every right to exclude people who engage in activity that hurts its imagine.  Could you imagine if an NFL player was doing this crap?  Hell, Rothlesburger just got suspended 6 games for acting like a college frat boy.  Bodybuilding is NOT mainstream, although it was once moving in that direction.  It's taken a leap back and no one seems to care.       

[Wiggs]

So what you're saying is every day they're hustlin'

[Howard]

Well stated, Howard, but most GetBiggers don't want to hear that.

They prefer the 'underbelly'.

For me, it was a decision I made 23 yrs ago. I didn't want to do the drugs it would take to compete on the national level and wanted a stable career. I felt I was a long shot to get a pro card anyway.

BB can be a wonderful lifestyle , free from the underbelly if:
1. don't worry about making it a career
2. compete on the amatuer level
3. enjoy going to the big shows as a fan.


Of course guys like Jay or Ronnie did it right

[Tapeworm]

They needed plenty of food, roids and time to train, etc. This led to hustling

Even a big volume trainer would have plenty of time to hold down a job.  It's not like they had to become prostitutes.

[musclecenter]

If you choose "competitive bodybuilding" as your carrier,90% of you guys must have a permanent income job.

[FREAKgeek]

what constitues a felony is dependant on many factors; you're not getting shit for a first offense personal use

[Howard]

Look, the BBers who engage in this G4P and other bizarre shit choose too - not because they must, but because they are lazy.  Look at Ronnie Coleman, for example.  This guy remaining a cop, working full time while he trained and competed - it can be done.  As far as the drugs go, they are defiantly more involved and abused these days due to the introduction of peptides, HGH, and slin. 

Those who engage in G4P activities and are involved in porn activity online should NOT be allowed to participate in the IFBB.  It's as simple as that.  The IFBB is a private organization and has every right to exclude people who engage in activity that hurts its imagine.  Could you imagine if an NFL player was doing this crap?  Hell, Rothlesburger just got suspended 6 games for acting like a college frat boy.  Bodybuilding is NOT mainstream, although it was once moving in that direction.  It's taken a leap back and no one seems to care.       

100% correct, most were/are too damn lazy and took the easy way for a fast buck.
What is ironic is that the majoirty of top Olympia guys didn't get too involved in hustling directly .
Today you have top pros like Jay or Ronnie or Dexter who never did any of that crap. Of course the same can't be said for guys like Kai Green.
They all had to deal with the dark side when it came to drugs however...different issue.

[~UN_$ung~]

you have  a "dark underbelly" you creepy fucking schmoe

[Grape Ape]

Look at Ronnie Coleman, for example.  This guy remaining a cop, working full time while he trained and competed - it can be done. 

I always found this interesting that he was able to do this while obviously breaking the law the whole time.

[The Showstoppa]

I always found this interesting that he was able to do this while obviously breaking the law the whole time.

I doubt it.  Bet Ronnie had a script from a doc.  Perfectly legal on his part.

[BayGBM]

Face the facts folks, BB has always had a "dark side". Why?
Go back to the 60's and steroids were always a part of any serious BB's regime. Even before the federal gov made steroids a felony in 1990, useing roids was dubious and kept under wraps. In the 60's and 70's many bodybuilders trained at Venice Beach Ca or in NYC at a few well known "famous gyms". Most bodybuilders lacked any viable work skills or the desire the work a full time job.Unlike big time pro sports, the $$ earned directly from BB was small and inconsistant. Remember the 1st Mr O got a 1000 bucks on a silver plate.
They needed plenty of food, roids and time to train, etc. This led to hustling ( aka gay4pay, pose/play, etc).
Plenty of older, wealthy gay men wanted to "hook up" with the younger bodybuilders. Arnold talks openly about this in his book ;" Education of a BB". He tells of his involvement with a wealthy gay man called "Schrenck". In this account , Arnold claims it never got intimate and leaves it at that.
Unlike a lot of bodybuilders, Arnold had incredible work ethic and ambition beyond the gym. We all know the story of Arnold and his success, but how many "Arnold's" did BB produce? one!
The top male pro bodybuilders TODAY make enough from supplement contracts and BB related income to avoid "hustling".
However, plenty of lower tier pro , ( and amatuer)BB's engage in various forms of hustling today.
Due to the limited amount of $$$ to be made from female BB, a much larger % of top female BB's engage in various forms of hustling.
Think about it....combine a long history of hustling with required illegal drug use to win and you have a recipe for a perpetual dark side in any sport.
Of course 90% of those who enjoy BB as a lifestyle and hobby never deal with this dark side.

In other news, scientists have confirmed that water is indeed wet.  Seriously, is this supposed to be news?  Who doesn’t already know this?

[emn1964]

Face the facts folks, BB has always had a "dark side". Why?
Go back to the 60's and steroids were always a part of any serious BB's regime. Even before the federal gov made steroids a felony in 1990, useing roids was dubious and kept under wraps. In the 60's and 70's many bodybuilders trained at Venice Beach Ca or in NYC at a few well known "famous gyms". Most bodybuilders lacked any viable work skills or the desire the work a full time job.Unlike big time pro sports, the $$ earned directly from BB was small and inconsistant. Remember the 1st Mr O got a 1000 bucks on a silver plate.
They needed plenty of food, roids and time to train, etc. This led to hustling ( aka gay4pay, pose/play, etc).
Plenty of older, wealthy gay men wanted to "hook up" with the younger bodybuilders. Arnold talks openly about this in his book ;" Education of a BB". He tells of his involvement with a wealthy gay man called "Schrenck". In this account , Arnold claims it never got intimate and leaves it at that.
Unlike a lot of bodybuilders, Arnold had incredible work ethic and ambition beyond the gym. We all know the story of Arnold and his success, but how many "Arnold's" did BB produce? one!
The top male pro bodybuilders TODAY make enough from supplement contracts and BB related income to avoid "hustling".
However, plenty of lower tier pro , ( and amatuer)BB's engage in various forms of hustling today.
Due to the limited amount of $$$ to be made from female BB, a much larger % of top female BB's engage in various forms of hustling.
Think about it....combine a long history of hustling with required illegal drug use to win and you have a recipe for a perpetual dark side in any  sport.
Of course 90% of those who enjoy BB as a lifestyle and hobby never deal with this dark side.

WOW...thanks for that revealing insight

[MadeYaMelt]

I doubt it.  Bet Ronnie had a script from a doc.  Perfectly legal on his part.

No way he had a script for the amounts he took.  Besides, something like dbol and winstrol you can't even obtain a script for.  As far as being a cop while on gear, cops don't care.  Tons of cops juice who aren't really even into BBing.  I would if I thought having an "edge" might save my life if I got into a fight with a jacked up ex-con.... 

[BayGBM]

For me, it was a decision I made 23 yrs ago. I didn't want to do the drugs it would take to compete on the national level and wanted a stable career. I felt I was a long shot to get a pro card anyway.

BB can be a wonderful lifestyle , free from the underbelly if:
1. don't worry about making it a career
2. compete on the amatuer level
3. enjoy going to the big shows as a fan.


Of course guys like Jay or Ronnie did it right

You don’t know that so stop asserting it.  Arnold was “involved” with a wealthy gay man but it never got “intimate”?  So, Arnold did it the right way is that what you're saying?  

Just because you don’t know what  __________ did to make it doesn’t mean they did it “right.”  One doesn’t stage a play in hell and then look for angels in the cast.  There is nothing athletic or “respectable” about putting on a thong and peddling your body to other men.  If you want to work out and sculpt your physique, fine.  But don’t put on a thong, pose for audiences of cheering men and then tell me how butch, tough, or masculine you are.  As for going to the big shows as a fan.  Patronizing shows only encouragings the very behavior you are ostensibly condemning.

Is this your idea of doing it right?  

[James Blunt]

Reminds me of the days I only read Flex/Muscle and Fitness, and Muscular development for news. Back then bodybuilding was nothing but honest pro's livin the dream. LOL. 

[saopl]

BODY BUILDING IS A HOBBY, THE END.

[stuntmovie]

Do some of youz guyz really think a doctor would write prescriptions for Ronnie? You could be right but I was under the impression that such scripts would be punishable by law and I do know a doctor who was imprisoned for a while for doing so for the BB community.

I can't argue the point with ya intelligently but it would seem that a doctor would be putting his practice on the line now-a-days for doing so.

I think it was just a matter that Ronnie's usage was simply 'overlooked' as a way of being 'polite' to a fellow police officer until it simply got a bit out of hand and something had to be done to save face.

So he might have simply been politely asked to seek other employment.

Nothing above is based on fact in any way though.

[musclecenter]

BODY BUILDING IS A HOBBY, THE END.

x2

[Howard]

You don’t know that so stop asserting it.  Arnold was “involved” with a with a wealthy gay man but it never got “intimate”?  So, Arnold did it the right way is that what you're saying?  

Just because you don’t know what  __________ did to make it doesn’t mean they did it “right.”  One doesn’t stage a play in hell and then look for angels in the cast.  There is nothing athletic or “respectable” about putting on a thong and peddling your body to other men.  If you want to work out and sculpt your physique, fine.  But don’t put on a thong, pose for audiences of cheering men and then tell me how butch, tough, or masculine you are.  As for going to the big shows as a fan.  Patronizing shows only encouragings the very behavior you are ostensibly condemning.

Is this your idea of doing it right?  

I am NOT making judgements on the activity only saying it exists and has been since serious BB started.

I have no knowledge of Jay hustling so that is what I mean