What were the founding fathers reasonings behind this?

[ThaRealist]

So do you think Arnold should qualify?

No, not yet at least... I think you should have 10 years naturalized citizenship and 10+ years civil service before being considered for president...

[Eyeball Chambers]

Brilliance that's yet to be surpassed...

[Wiggs]

Have any of you fine gentlemen watched the History Channel mini series: AMERICA: The story of us.  It was excellent last Sunday.  I highly suggest it.  It's been repeating all week.

[jwb]

so what would a non born in the usa president potentially do that makes people worried about this?

[Cardfan]

So do you think Arnold should qualify?

after the way things have gone in Cali...NO! but since he IS Arnold, lets give him another shot. Maybe Indiana or Wyoming or such. Get that right then ......

[ThaRealist]

so what would a non born in the usa president potentially do that makes people worried about this?

If a non born USA citizen proves through civil work (puttin in the time) that they truly want to be a servant of the American public. I don't see a problem with it....

[wavelength]

so what would a non born in the usa president potentially do that makes people worried about this?

nothing

[Parker]

lmao! dude! why do you insist on speaking? do you see the title of this thread?? founding fathers!!!   do you know where our founding fathers came from, and their influences ??        dude!! you have zero clue!!! politics isnt a game, this isnt high school, government policy has the potential for extreme good and extreme bad... you really need to rethink this whole thing pal

I'm willing to bet out Founding Founders came from this big ol place called America. Influense yes, could be British, but by this time we had already had a distinctly American flair---the rebelling upstart that questioned Europe's Authority and Monarchy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States

[jwb]

you can become prime minister in my country without being voted into the job by the people - only your party has to endorse you and if they are currently in power the current prime minister is out and you're in!

[ThaRealist]

you can become prime minister in my country without being voted into the job by the people - only your party has to endorse you and if they are currently in power the current prime minister is out and you're in!

The USA would have already gotten into a 2nd civil war if the parties did that

[benchmstr]

who gives a shit if he is allowed to run....its not like the president has his say in the matters anyway.....

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[benchmstr]

The USA would have already gotten into a 2nd civil war if the parties did that

give it 12-20 years...there will be another....and it will be led by the anti-christ herself...sarah palin...

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[emn1964]

give it 12-20 years...there will be another....and it will be led by the anti-christ herself...sarah palin...

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she's too fuking stupid to lead anything

[jwb]

The USA would have already gotten into a 2nd civil war if the parties did that

nobody cared... the old prime minister was past his prime so the young buck got the party numbers and forced him out at a party meeting.

[benchmstr]

she's too fuking stupid to lead anything

i have bad news for you.....at least 2 out of every 5 americans are just as fucking stupid as she is....

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[ThaRealist]

give it 12-20 years...there will be another....and it will be led by the anti-christ herself...sarah palin...

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She will be an after thought by the time the next election comes up

[benchmstr]

She will be an after thought by the time the next election comes up

no she wont...to many stupid american women relate to her...she will be around for a long time to come...

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[Cardfan]

She will be an after thought by the time the next election comes up

duh.....You have that right, but don't sleep on the opposition. She will not be a candidate on purpose.

[ThaRealist]

no she wont...to many stupid american women relate to her...she will be around for a long time to come...

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She just gives the super conservatives a reason to get behind another public figure that doesn't believe in evolution or dinasours

[benchmstr]

She just gives the super conservatives a reason to get behind another public figure that doesn't believe in evolution or dinasours

exactly....and thats why she will continue to be a folk hero for the mentally challenged for years to come...

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[pellius]

“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;”

There is only one exception such as in John McCain's (Born in Panama, his father was an Admiral in the U.S. Navy) ... "They based this clause on the following; “Congress, in which a number of Framers sat, provided in the Naturalization act of 1790 that ’‘the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, . . . shall be considered as natural born citizens. . . .’’ 96 This phrasing followed the literal terms of British statutes, beginning in 1350, under which persons born abroad, whose parents were both British subjects, would enjoy the same rights of inheritance as those born in England; beginning with laws in 1709 and 1731, these statutes expressly provided that such persons were natural-born subjects of the crown.”


My feeling is that if we give people the option to be American Citizens, we should give them all the rights.  Give me one valid reason they shouldn't have the right to be?  There are millions of foreign born citizens there are worth more than the natural born pieces of shite we have here.  I say let the people vote on it.  Give them a chance and of the people say no, then let it be. 

This country was built with the hands of immigrants and I find there to be no valid reason today that foreign born citizens should not be able to hold the highest office of this great land. 

The founders place this restriction because they were guarding against the British reclaiming political power. The requirement is outdated now and should be repealed which is a very difficult process.

In the case of McCain, there is an exception if both parents are citizens and when the person is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. Meaning that you are out of the United States in service to your country when your child is born such as a diplomat or, in McCain's case, service in the military (his father).

[BIG ACH]

You know what bugs me about presidential elections, when people vote for a candidate because "oh he's one of us, he's one of the people, he's just like us, so he can relate to my issues"...

Fuck that, I don't want "one of us" to be president, I want fucking superman to be president, I want someone who's BETTER than us, because lets face it, the majority of "us" ain't all that great!

Can you imagine if someone from GETBIG became president!!!

[kiwiol]

the founding fathers probably envisioned some british duke coming over, gaining citizenship, using his royal inheritance to win the americn presidecny campaigning under false pretense...and then turning over the country back o the british

I don't think the US president has the power to do that, never mind "The most powerful man in the world" title.

[Wiggs]

I don't think the US president has the power to do that, never mind "The most powerful man in the world" title.

Exactly, like i said, too many checks and balances.

[tbombz]

I'm willing to bet out Founding Founders came from this big ol place called America. Influense yes, could be British, but by this time we had already had a distinctly American flair---the rebelling upstart that questioned Europe's Authority and Monarchy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States

check the link buddy, 9 of those founding fathers were not born as americans nor in america.

Alexander Hamilton, to name one.  

and their influences british? not so much..

i suggest you do some reading