True Adonis - If a calorie is a calorie

[bigbobs]

It's a combination of both, when I used to train bodybuilders I never counted calories, only macros, what ever the calorie count, I never worried about it. People are eating what they want, on a cheat day, but I promise not as a regular part of a contest prep. The use of cutting compounds in addition to doing more cardio than weight training make a HUGE difference. Bottom line, dieting for a show is difficult if you're doing it the right way.

However there are upper level competitors that start loading on insulin and of course carbs beginning about 4-5 days out from a show with sometimes taking in up to 1000 or more grms leading up to the show (the "GH" gut is not "GH", it's carb loading) Those are not counted by calories but rather by macros.

Isn't "counting macros" virtually the same as counting calories, since we all know the # of calories per macronutrient and surely when considering macros for sustained fat loss over weeks the level of macros chosen would not add up to more total calories than are being burned by the weights and cardio recommended during that time?

[Coach is Back!]

Could careless about calorie count.

[bigbobs]

Could careless about calorie count.

Doesn't matter if you cared about it or not, guaranteed the total calories your clients were eating are less than what they were burning.  I mean you wouldn't recommend high proteini, high carbs and high fat right?  It would be high protein, low carb, moderate fat...high protein, medium carb, low fat...etc...increase one macro and decrease another...but in the end total calories were less than what was being burned right?

[che]

Doesn't matter if you cared about it or not, guaranteed the total calories your clients were eating are less than what they were burning.  I mean you wouldn't recommend high proteini, high carbs and high fat right?  It would be high protein, low carb, moderate fat...high protein, medium carb, low fat...etc...increase one macro and decrease another...but in the end total calories were less than what was being burned right?

Yes

[bigbobs]

Yes

so everyone agrees that you need to ingest less calories than you burn...and counting calories is one way of getting comfort that you are indeed ingesting less calories than you're burning....so why all the bickering?

[che]

so everyone agrees that you need to ingest less calories than you burn...and counting calories is one way of getting comfort that you are indeed ingesting less calories than you're burning....so why all the bickering?

Macros

[Coach is Back!]

Because some people on here think a 300 calorie donut is the same as 300 calories of fish or chicken or red meat or broccoli, etc, etc. No, you do not have to be calorie deficit, I get lean and stay big on 2500-3000 calories of meat and veggies, I cannot get lean and retain size on 3000 calories of ice cream, cupcakes and shit even if I were to take in enough protein. No, calories count is not the same as counting macros.

[newmom]

Because some people on here think a 300 calorie donut is the same as 300 calories of fish or chicken or red meat or broccoli, etc, etc. No, you do not have to be calorie deficit, I get lean and stay big on 2500-3000 calories of meat and veggies, I cannot get lean and retain size on 3000 calories of ice cream, cupcakes and shit even if I were to take in enough protein. No, calories count is not the same as counting macros.

and that sums it up right there

[The True Adonis]

and that sums it up right there

Negative.

[che]

Negative.

Positive

[newmom]

Positive

thanks che..go get him

[wes]

Joe Marino is making much sense as usual.

I hate these threads so just listen to Joe because he is correct.

Sorry Adam and Wave but I eat clean and just count macros and adjust them as needed.

[Doug_Steele]

Joe Marino is making much sense as usual.

I hate these threads so just listen to Joe because he is correct.

sorry Adam and Wave but I eat clean and just count macros and adjust them as needed.

How about this....You eat "Pretty Clean" all year round and Bust your ass in the gym, work and whatever activities you do. 

[che]

thanks che..go get him

NP  I already did  

[The True Adonis]

NP  I already did  

Did not.

[newmom]

Joe Marino is making much sense as usual.

I hate these threads so just listen to Joe because he is correct.

Sorry Adam and Wave but I eat clean and just count macros and adjust them as needed.

yea agree with wes. No offense at all to adam and wave but there is no way I could eat junk food (even just a tad) on a normal or daily basis no way in hell

[che]

Did not.

I did

[The True Adonis]

I did

Disagreed.

[che]

Disagreed.

I love you Adonis  but we have irreconcilable differences .

[Doug_Steele]

I love you Adonis  but we have irreconcilable differences .

Maybe we should play a Match of Soccer.  My play is like Dragba's 

[The True Adonis]

I love you Adonis  but we have irreconcilable differences .

Likewise and I can accept our differences even if others can`t.

[che]

Maybe we should play a Match of Soccer.  My play is like Dragba's 

[che]

Likewise and I can accept our differences even if others can`t.

Friends 

[MAXX]

Is this addressed to me?  You are DEAD WRONG if so.

I have created a Daily Diet Log just to show how wrong you and the others are:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329841.0

yes 120 grams protein in one day is very little for even a natural bodybuilder

[newmom]

awwwwwwwwwww tear