True Adonis - If a calorie is a calorie

[The True Adonis]

Keep in mind Keith, I have tried each way equally and have compared and made an easy decision based on the evidence (results) as well as taking in the comparative body of evidence (peer-reviewed studies).

You on the other hand, never have seen your abs once in your life, nor have you ever reduced your caloric intake to an acceptable or healthy level.

You have always been overweight, even at your strongest, (you know the benefits of having a LARGE WAIST and how it translates to lifting poundages).

Of course your power to weight ratio was never any good, but the poundages are decent.  

[newmom]

where is this? for some reason im getting a flashback and this looks very similar to a road in northampton , massachusettes

Hartford, CT

[newmom]

Did you find people making excuses FOR you when you were heavier?  Almost as if they preferred you to be heavy versus where you are now?

No I never thought or witnessed anyone making excuses. I can think of a few people who wish I was heavier (and I'm not gonna get into who or why)

[newmom]

you drink skim milk but wont eat ice cream???   theres a huge amoiunt of ice cream on the markey that is made with skim milk.. and thats all it is. theres alot of frozen yoogurts based on skim milk too.   ice cream with zero fat, containing some whey and casien protein, and some slow glycemix carbs with added calcium....   sounds very nutritious to me!!

NO I normally don't eat ice cream. I had no idea there is ice cream made with skim milk, because I tend to stay away from the outside aisles. If I really dont miss ice cream why keep it in the house. Now chips on the other hand I dont keep in the house too tempting lol

[wavelength]

ice cream is the best bodybuilding food out there: milk, nuts, fruit

[danielson]

If for nothing else, Adonis' method of "dieting" is far superior to eating 100% clean because ANYONE can follow it year round and more importantly for a lifetime. Most people don't have the desire nor willpower to eat clean for the rest of their lives. However, eating whatever you want to eat and keeping it within a certain number of calories is certainly feasible for everyone.

[Coach is Back!]

ice cream is the best bodybuilding food out there: milk, nuts, fruit

 

[dj181]

I want to ask a question as to what y'all think is the minimum amount of protein one must consume while on a calorie defiect fat-loss diet in order to retain lean muscle mass in regards to one's lean body mass, for example 1 gram per pound of lean bodyweight, but I fear that this will start another huge and nasty debate :> LOL P.S. I'm not sure exactly how many grams of protein per day that I was eating when I achieved 6% bodyfat, but Im absolutely sure that it was less than 1 gram of protein per pound of lean bodyweight

[newmom]

Joe to the rescue, thank goodness.

Danielson, your right but to be honest I feel soooooo much better eating clean. Sure I crave chips and shit now and then, but I feel more guilty if I have them, so I let the craving pass.

[noworries]

Keep in mind Keith, I have tried each way equally and have compared and made an easy decision based on the evidence (results) as well as taking in the comparative body of evidence (peer-reviewed studies).

You on the other hand, never have seen your abs once in your life, nor have you ever reduced your caloric intake to an acceptable or healthy level.

You have always been overweight, even at your strongest, (you know the benefits of having a LARGE WAIST and how it translates to lifting poundages).

Of course your power to weight ratio was never any good, but the poundages are decent.  

here is the problem.  I do not come on here and brag about my abs or condition.  I never once said anywhere I was a bodybuilder.  Never.  See the difference is you go around saying you are a bodybuilder and diet expert and basically an expert in everything, yet you are NOT and expert in anything.  You talk alot of shit but never back it up with something of your own.  You cut and paste more than anyone.  Big difference see.  You talk alot but never produce.  At 300 pounds my waist was just a little over 37".  Your waist in that fat photo is bigger than mine and I weigh 40+ pounds more than you.  See you can't argue with me and get anywhere.  I have achievements and I have titles and I have proof of what I say.  You have NONE.  Again, you have NOTHING.  I don't go around bragging about my lifts or strength.  Others for the past 25 years have done that for me.  I will of course put my lifts and achievements down when appropriate though.  See your problem is you think (like Goodrum again) that the internet is some kind of "stage" that is an accomplishment.  You think if you come on here and talk about shit you don't know about and try to convince everyone you do then you have achieved something.  Like I have always said, show some proof you have done anything you have said.  you can't even post a photo of you today.  And you have been asked numerous times by many.  Where is your college degree.  Where is the video of your deadlifting 225 for 112 reps, where is your gravity suit.  DO you see the pattern here.  you talk alot of shit and can't back one thing up.  Sorry son but all your fancy talk means nothing in the REAL world.

You are an underachiever more than most because to make up for it you throw bullshit around to pretend you are not.  Prove me wrong.  Post up what I say.  You talk shit about Dr. Connelly and he invites you to debate and you back down.   See the pattern again.  All the fancy talks means nothing in the real world unless you can prove it.  Sure some might beleive your bullshit on here but the people who know anything don't.  Sorry son you lose

[tbombz]

NO I normally don't eat ice cream. I had no idea there is ice cream made with skim milk, because I tend to stay away from the outside aisles. If I really dont miss ice cream why keep it in the house. Now chips on the other hand I dont keep in the house too tempting lol

all different types of fat free ice creams... most of them made with skim milk.. even better is fat free frozen yogurt.. basically the same thing, except with tons of live and active cultures to boost digestive health

[noworries]

If for nothing else, Adonis' method of "dieting" is far superior to eating 100% clean because ANYONE can follow it year round and more importantly for a lifetime. Most people don't have the desire nor willpower to eat clean for the rest of their lives. However, eating whatever you want to eat and keeping it within a certain number of calories is certainly feasible for everyone.

See the problem I have is this is NOT Apenis's creation.  This is something millions of people do everyday.  He did not create this.  He takes what others are already doing and makes it sound like he came up with some new way of living.  

As a guy who was skinny as a kid, in shape and strong enough to make a living with his body and win a world title to a fat slob like I am now I have the lived it and have the experience to talk about it.  And I gotta tell you the #1 thing that makes the difference is your will-power.  I used to have it. I lost it and it is slowly coming back.  Another major thing is your age.  You guys who are under 35 or so will be in for a rude awakening when you get older.  Cause your metabolism will slow down.  I could eat anything when I was younger.  I could spend a couple hours in the gym no problem.  Well it is a little different now.  So be prepared.  you can talk all the shit you want but most of you will see what I mean.  Of course Apenis won't cause by then he'll invent (in his head) a way to cure everything worng and never have to worry about anything.

[newmom]

all different types of fat free ice creams... most of them made with skim milk.. even better is fat free frozen yogurt.. basically the same thing, except with tons of live and active cultures to boost digestive health

I will check it out thanks..see I learned something today..GO ME

[tbombz]

I will check it out thanks..see I learned something today..GO ME

yw! enjoy 

[wavelength]

I ate ice cream at my leanest, what exactly should be the problem with ice cream as long as total protein intake is sufficient and all essential nutrition is met?

[Coach is Back!]

I ate ice cream at my leanest, what exactly should be the problem with ice cream as long as total protein intake is sufficient and all essential nutrition is met?

FUCK, I think this is some kind of conspiracy from TA, Tbombz and yourself to just flat out drive the rest of us that know better crazy (or at least the ones with little patience that don't accept this complete bullshit, in case you haven't noticed, I have little patience) Out of the other two dildos on here (TA, Tbombz) I would have thought you would have been the more intelligent of the two. Fuck!

[The True Adonis]

here is the problem.  I do not come on here and brag about my abs or condition.  I never once said anywhere I was a bodybuilder.  Never.  See the difference is you go around saying you are a bodybuilder and diet expert and basically an expert in everything, yet you are NOT and expert in anything.  You talk alot of shit but never back it up with something of your own.  You cut and paste more than anyone.  Big difference see.  You talk alot but never produce.  At 300 pounds my waist was just a little over 37".  Your waist in that fat photo is bigger than mine and I weigh 40+ pounds more than you.  See you can't argue with me and get anywhere.  I have achievements and I have titles and I have proof of what I say.  You have NONE.  Again, you have NOTHING.  I don't go around bragging about my lifts or strength.  Others for the past 25 years have done that for me.  I will of course put my lifts and achievements down when appropriate though.  See your problem is you think (like Goodrum again) that the internet is some kind of "stage" that is an accomplishment.  You think if you come on here and talk about shit you don't know about and try to convince everyone you do then you have achieved something.  Like I have always said, show some proof you have done anything you have said.  you can't even post a photo of you today.  And you have been asked numerous times by many.  Where is your college degree.  Where is the video of your deadlifting 225 for 112 reps, where is your gravity suit.  DO you see the pattern here.  you talk alot of shit and can't back one thing up.  Sorry son but all your fancy talk means nothing in the REAL world.

You are an underachiever more than most because to make up for it you throw bullshit around to pretend you are not.  Prove me wrong.  Post up what I say.  You talk shit about Dr. Connelly and he invites you to debate and you back down.   See the pattern again.  All the fancy talks means nothing in the real world unless you can prove it.  Sure some might beleive your bullshit on here but the people who know anything don't.  Sorry son you lose

Pure lies.   Every single picture of you has you morbidly obese.  I have no malice when I state that as it is simply the truth.

I wish you the best but if you are looking to your past for some sort of inspiration, don`t do it.  You were as unhealthily overweight then as you are now.

Try something new.

[noworries]

Pure lies.   Every single picture of you has you morbidly obese.  I have no malice when I state that as it is simply the truth.

I wish you the best but if you are looking to your past for some sort of inspiration, don`t do it.  You were as unhealthily overweight then as you are now.

Try something new.

Again you side step.  you an expert in this I give you that.  By the way funny how someone like you with NO experience, NO achievements, No formal education but community college, NO athletic achievements can preach to anyone.  What is funny is you went from really being morbidly obese to being way to skinny and now you are back to being a fat slob.  How do you explain that?  And I bet you anything at 300 I would out perform you in any lift and just about any sport. Sorry but those are facts.

[The True Adonis]

Again you side step.  you an expert in this I give you that.  By the way funny how someone like you with NO experience, NO achievements, No formal education but community college, NO athletic achievements can preach to anyone.  What is funny is you went from really being morbidly obese to being way to skinny and now you are back to being a fat slob.  How do you explain that?  And I bet you anything at 300 I would out perform you in any lift and just about any sport. Sorry but those are facts.

Wrong on all accounts.  Sorry, you are just grasping at straws at this point.  Whatever irrational concoction of lies you have to meld together in order to make yourself feel better I guess is part of the manic depressive process and I don`t fault you for it.  As long as it keeps you from killing yourself, I see no harm in you being an alchemist of dishonesty.

A lot of us here have offered help and support but you continually bat our hands away thinking you know better.  Well, you don`t.  Mark my words, you will end up dead prematurely and these words will be posted:

Oh, well — he wasn't going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.

[noworries]

Wrong on all accounts.  Sorry, you are just grasping at straws at this point.  Whatever irrational concoction of lies you have to meld together in order to make yourself feel better I guess is part of the manic depressive process and I don`t fault you for it.  As long as it keeps you from killing yourself, I see no harm in you being an alchemist of dishonesty.

A lot of us here have offered help and support but you continually bat our hands away thinking you know better.  Well, you don`t.  Mark my words, you will end up dead prematurely and these words will be posted:

Oh, well — he wasn't going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.

Prove me wrong.  Post one thing I asked for.  Again you side step.  Maybe you should change your screen name to SideStep Apenis.  It's alright though, you keep pretending if thats what you like to do

[The True Adonis]

Prove me wrong.  Post one thing I asked for.  Again you side step.  Maybe you should change your screen name to SideStep Apenis.  It's alright though, you keep pretending if thats what you like to do

  I`d rather you persist in your delusion.  Its healthier that way.  At least for you.

[Van_Bilderass]

FUCK, I think this is some kind of conspiracy from TA, Tbombz and yourself to just flat out drive the rest of us that know better crazy (or at least the ones with little patience that don't accept this complete bullshit, in case you haven't noticed, I have little patience) Out of the other two dildos on here (TA, Tbombz) I would have thought you would have been the more intelligent of the two. Fuck!

What do you think of Milos' article I posted? And how did guys like Vince Taylor or Milos' example of John Brown ever get lean and ripped eating junk? It can't be the Humalog, can it?

TA is a troublemaker on here and tries to irritate people on purpose but wavelength is pretty serious and reasonable IMO. TA denies it now but I remember he said protein wasn't important, etc.

[noworries]

  I`d rather you persist in your delusion.  Its healthier that way.  At least for you.

Well at least you are shortening your useless posts.  Good job.  Sorry you were such an easy adversary.  It's hard when you have no ammo or weapons.  Come back when you have something to help defend yourself with

[no one]

How come he hasn't posted his photo and I don't get why he looked like this when a calorie is a calorie and if he ate what he wanted like in this photo he is fat yet in the later photos he is lean.  He diets and does cardio.  He pretends not to and thinks that because he writes in his log he ate a pizza and hamburger we believe it.  He is so funny when it comes down to having him actually prove anything.  So far he has never proved anything he has ever said he has done.  Alot like Goodrum.  No video of 112 reps with 225, no gravity suit, no photos of him today, no proof of going to a culinary school (since he preaches all about food and cooking), and a whole lot of other shit.  

wow.

fucking bang on.

i'm glad im not the only one who sees thru this clowns dog and pony show.

[The True Adonis]

What do you think of Milos' article I posted? And how did guys like Vince Taylor or Milos' example of John Brown ever get lean and ripped eating junk? It can't be the Humalog, can it?

TA is a troublemaker on here and tries to irritate people on purpose but wavelength is pretty serious and reasonable IMO. TA denies it now but I remember he said protein wasn't important, etc.

Wrong.  I am sorry if YOU are irritated, that certainly is not my intention. However I couldn`t care less if you are.  Of course Protein is important, but with my approach you get enough by default as to not have to worry about it.

Sorry if that concept eluded you in the past and hope that clears it up.