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Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« on: May 03, 2010, 03:46:33 PM »
Personally, don't really know


Buffett: Value Added Tax a Good Thing

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Asked to respond to the situation in Greece, where credit rating agencies have downgraded that country's sovereign debt, Buffett scoffed at the notion that U.S. debt is in for a similar fate. Both Moody's Investor Services and Standard & Poor's ratings agencies have threatened a downgrade of U.S. debt as the deficit continues to rise.

"They would be out of their minds if they did," he said. "All of our debt is in our own currency. When you can print your own currency you can't default," he said.  The real risk is the purchasing power of the dollar, Buffett said.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/finance/buffett-value-added-tax-good-thing/

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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2010, 03:58:33 PM »
Coupled w the income tax its a disaster.

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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2010, 05:42:46 PM »
I wasn't so much referring to the VAT as us becoming like Greece.  There's been several threads on here predicting that (some by you!), but Buffet seems to think its very unlikely.  I like to remain positive about the future, so I was wondering what the business savvy people on the board thought about it.

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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2010, 05:50:17 PM »
33, it seems like you agree with Buffet about half of the time.

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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2010, 05:55:19 PM »
33, it seems like you agree with Buffet about half of the time.


And where do you stand?  You've got an MBA.  I'd say that makes you pretty knowledgeable on the subject.

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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2010, 06:03:32 PM »
A vat tax equals high level theft like you can't imagine. Get ready for permanent poverty if that occurs.

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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2010, 06:15:21 PM »
I wasn't so much referring to the VAT as us becoming like Greece.  There's been several threads on here predicting that (some by you!), but Buffet seems to think its very unlikely.  I like to remain positive about the future, so I was wondering what the business savvy people on the board thought about it.
Yes, as is usually the case Buffett is correct.
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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2010, 06:25:55 PM »
Ill try to keep this simple.  

1.  A VAT tax will be in addition to state sales tax. So now that gallon of milf that $4, will be $5, plus state sales tax.  So not only are you paying more for the items, you will be paying a higher sales tax at the state level.  So you are robbed twice.  

2.  A VAT is extremely regressive and will screw you royally.  

3.  A VAT tax has never been proven to reduce debt.  Just look at Europe.  Once the greedy pigs in govt get their hands on the money they spend even more money.  

4.  We are not like Greece in that we can inflate the currency and print endless money.  So while people may think everything is ok, its not since they are stealing the purchasing power of the money you have the money you earn.  Its called the hidden tax and I have explained this enedlessly on these boards.  

5.  The Govt has made promises it simply cant keep.  There is simply no way to pay for SS, Medicare, Military, Medicade, etc.  So the govt will have to either cut benefits drastically, raise taxes drastically, or a combo of the both.

6.  A VAT Tax is also a bailout of the states for the reasons I listed above.  


As for Warren Buffett, I dont agree with him on this since a VAT tax will not affect him.  It will affect the rest of us and make us all far poorer.  

    

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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2010, 06:29:50 PM »
Yes, as is usually the case Buffett is correct.

Funny, I dont remember you agreeing with him when he came out agasinst, health care, card check and cap & Trade.  Was he also right then when he basically disagreed with 75% of obama's agenda? 






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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2010, 06:44:47 PM »
Funny, I dont remember you agreeing with him when he came out agasinst, health care, card check and cap & Trade.  Was he also right then when he basically disagreed with 75% of obama's agenda? 
I did not say I always agree with Buffett. My primary interest in Buffett relates to his principles of investing and his core competency regarding finance and economics. On the issue of the U.S. vs. Greece, of course he is correct.

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Warren Buffett Gives Obama 'High Marks,' Mocks Palin in CNBC Interview

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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2010, 06:47:15 PM »
Good try fool.  Comedians gave obama high remarks on his one liners. 

I posted three clips of buffest against 75% of obama's agenda. 

Of course he likes him now, obama bailed out GS via the AIG bailout.

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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2010, 06:48:56 PM »
Good try fool.  Comedians gave obama high remarks on his one liners. 

I posted three clips of buffest against 75% of obama's agenda. 

Of course he likes him now, obama bailed out GS via the AIG bailout.
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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2010, 07:47:14 PM »
these taxes are just insane, that's my take.

however, it's more about politics than sustainable economic policy. 

leaders of BOTH parties are going to keep on spending - they can't afford to cut any jobs.  So this garbage will keep on passing.

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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2010, 08:23:01 PM »
Personally, don't really know


Buffett: Value Added Tax a Good Thing

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Asked to respond to the situation in Greece, where credit rating agencies have downgraded that country's sovereign debt, Buffett scoffed at the notion that U.S. debt is in for a similar fate. Both Moody's Investor Services and Standard & Poor's ratings agencies have threatened a downgrade of U.S. debt as the deficit continues to rise.

"They would be out of their minds if they did," he said. "All of our debt is in our own currency. When you can print your own currency you can't default," he said.  The real risk is the purchasing power of the dollar, Buffett said.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/finance/buffett-value-added-tax-good-thing/

hard to argue with this statement:

"They would be out of their minds if they did," he said. "All of our debt is in our own currency. When you can print your own currency you can't default," he said.  The real risk is the purchasing power of the dollar, Buffett said.

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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2010, 08:24:56 PM »
The magic of the printing press. 

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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2010, 08:27:55 PM »
The magic of the printing press. 

yes but all currency value is relative to another currency

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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2010, 08:30:33 PM »
hard to argue with this statement:

"They would be out of their minds if they did," he said. "All of our debt is in our own currency. When you can print your own currency you can't default," he said.  The real risk is the purchasing power of the dollar, Buffett said.


So you're of the opinion that we may end up like Greece or we may not?

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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2010, 01:33:40 AM »
A vat tax equals high level theft like you can't imagine. Get ready for permanent poverty if that occurs.

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Taxes need to be slashed (after an even bigger slash in bullshit gov't spending), not another destructive tax added
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Re: Business Savvy Posters - Is Buffet Right?
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2010, 05:59:00 AM »
Here Come the VAT, the Mother of All Taxes     
By CFIF Staff
Wednesday, April 07 2010 

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Consideration of a VAT here and now has but two purposes: to support the big government that has already been visited upon us and to expand the even bigger government of President Obama’s dreams.
 
The Value Added Tax (VAT) cat is finally creeping out of its bag.  No longer is it just those hysterical rumor-mongers like columnist Charles Krauthammer speculating on the next national tax to be imposed by the Obama administration.  Now it’s none other than Obama economic adviser Paul Volcker telling the New York Historical Society that a VAT should be considered to get the deficit under control.  For good measure, he threw in taxes on carbon and energy.

According to the Reuters report of the meeting, “Though he acknowledged that both were still unpopular ideas, he said getting entitlement costs and the U.S. budget deficit under control may require such moves.  ‘If at the end of the day we need to raise taxes, we should raise taxes,” he said.”  (Volcker’s personal fondness for a VAT has not been secret.)

Since the president former Federal Reserve Chairman Volcker now serves is likely to go down in history as American champion of both entitlements and deficits, the Volcker pronouncement should come as no surprise to anyone other than those naifs who still cling to Obama’s false promises never to raise taxes on the middle class.

A VAT is the mother of all taxes.  It was born in France (where it accounts for about 50 percent of government revenue) in 1954, with bastard children now running wild, in differing forms, in more than 100 countries around the world, at rates that range from a low of 5 percent up to 25 percent.

Think of it as it is, a national sales tax imposed on virtually everything sold, with collections at every sales point (where value is added) from origin to ultimate consumer.  Like a traditional sales tax, it is relatively efficient and inexpensive to collect, just as easy to increase as desired.  Unlike a traditional sales tax, most of it is hidden in the ultimate cost of the goods.

Were a VAT to be considered as a replacement, and only as a replacement, for all other federal taxes, then it, as a concept, would be worthy of a strenuous national debate.  But that, to the best of our knowledge, has never happened in any country that has imposed a VAT, is not contemplated by those who propound it here now and would be almost impossible to achieve.  In addition, as the imposition of ObamaCare has proven, this has become a country where the majority will of the people is accorded no merit in what passes for national debate.  Of course you don’t want to be taxed more, but you have to be taxed more, because we must spend more and now we’ve got to pay down the deficit for what we’ve already been spending, plus all that more spending, so shut up and go to your room now.

Consideration of a VAT here and now has but two purposes:  to support the big government that has already been visited upon us and to expand the even bigger government of President Obama’s dreams.  Why a VAT?  Because, as Shawn Tully has written for CNNMoney.com, “it’s the only vehicle capable of raising the money to cover the gigantic projected increases in spending and deficits.”

Other than the occasional public utterance by the likes of Paul Volcker (who, without going into detail regarding his previous role as Fed Head, Ronald Reagan had to fire) and a growing number of warnings from seers like Krauthammer, talk about a VAT is going to be downplayed until after the November Midterm elections.

But consider the true VAT nightmare scenario.  If the Democrats lose their majority in one or both sides of the Capitol come November, a VAT could be pushed through a lame duck Congress as a parting gift to their dear leader.  Why the Democrats would do that, considering Obama’s blame in such a loss, is beyond our limited capacity at reasoning, but so was so many who have already clearly walked the plank to vote for ObamaCare, against the wishes of their constituents.

Even if that does not happen, there’s a VAT proposal in your future.  Bank on it.

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