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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2010, 02:21:32 PM »
It is very very dangerous to give a date or a time.
The enemy will consolidate and wait and then as you pull out then they will attack for a psychological and political advantage
I have grown up in a violent part of the world and I saw this over and over in the 1980s and 1990s, people agree to a cease fire and as the last remants of an army pulls out they break ceasefire or peace treaty and attack.
Leave when you are ready and not before.

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2010, 03:21:03 PM »
combat troops leaving soon.

those on the bases guarding the oil we'll dig up in 30 years = will be there forever

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2010, 07:35:27 PM »
So not only are the troops not leaving by August, but the RIF could be much smaller. 

Iraq's Political Conflict Jeopardizes Obama's Deadline for Troop Drawdown
By Mike Emanuel & Justin Fishel  - FOXNews.com

Gen. Ray Odierno talks to a reporter during a visit to soldiers at Forward Operating Base Cobra in the Diyala province, Iraq, Jan. 2. (AP Photo)

Iraq's struggle to form a new government is raising concerns among U.S. military officials about President Obama's plan to withdraw 44,000 of the 94,000 U.S. troops in Iraq in 15 weeks.

Shiite Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki and Sunni Ayad Allawi are the two leading contenders to be the next prime minister and both are arguing they have the right to form the next government.

The concern is that a Maliki government could leave Sunnis feeling slighted, while an Allawi government could lead to Shiite militias reactivating.

Meanwhile, violence in Iraq has increased in recent months. The latest example was a coordinated attack by three suicide bombers on a soccer field in the Shiite-dominated town of Tal Afar that killed at least 10 people and wounded 120. Al Qaeda insurgents with Sunni ties are being blamed for the attack.

Incidents like these, along with uncertainty about the next government, leave some to question whether the deadline is practical.

"It's going to be difficult," one military official told Fox News on the condition of anonymity. "Large movements always come with increased risk and since the Iraq surge, we have see the Army attempt to move such a large number of soldiers."

Even the Iraq surge in 2007 doesn't amount to the effort this drawdown is going to take. This presidential deadline calls for 44,000 troops to leave in three and a half months, while the 2007 surge moved in 30,000 troops over a three- month period.

The Army claims it can move 25,000 troops in four weeks.

But according to some in the Pentagon, moving that many troops so quickly comes with inherent risk.

"Instead of moving five bus loads of troops with security, we'll have to move 15," a military official told Fox News, explaining that it translates to bigger targets.

"You also run the risk of an emboldened adversary who ramps up his efforts to attack," the official said.

Gen. Ray Odierno, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, has said he is fully committed to drawing down to 50,000 troops in Iraq by the end of August.

His soldiers' mission is to continue building professionalism, confidence and the capability of Iraqi troops.

Odierno's top spokesman, Maj. Gen. Stephen Lanza, says the U.S. is on track to meet the troop goal and it is important to remember the progress that's been made.

"Two years ago, the Iraq government and the people here were on the brink of civil war, in terms of sectarian violence," he said. "We have not seen the people lose faith in the Iraqi security forces. We have no seen this government fracture."

Senior military sources say adjusting the 50,000-troop deadline has not been raised with the president because there is still time to do it successfully.

But these sources say if in June some of the key hurdles are not being met, then it will be up to the president to press on or adjust.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/19/iraqs-political-conflict-jeopardizes-obamas-deadline-troop-drawdown/

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2010, 07:46:02 PM »
troops will be on the bases forever.   accept it.  write it down.  check back in ten years.   they didn't put those bases along the future oil pipeline and wells by accident.  money in the bank, and we'll all be thanking Dick Cheney for those WMD lies in 20 years.  If you bought into WMD, youre an idiot, but you'll be just as thankful as the war-hating libs will be.  Money in the bank.


You'll see a spike in violence any time they tell us to leave.  Voila, instant "need" for us to stay.  

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2010, 07:47:22 PM »
So we're just supposed to leave the guys over there, some of whom have been there over a year, until they do the final pull out?  Not a logical assumption at all.  Obviously guys need to be rotated out that have been serving for a while now, some have been over there 4-5 times now and need a break.  This isn't anything to get your panties in a wad about.

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2010, 07:56:56 PM »
Drill baby drill!!!

In the desert... and make my gas cheaper fuckers!

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2010, 08:00:32 PM »
yeah, i think most ppl were just mad they were lied to about WMD.  They had some that were 15 years old... we sold it to them hahahahaha.

NKorea actually had WMD... they're setting off nukes threatening to flatten Cali... but we ignored that shit... actually DOWNPLAYED their capability, denied videos of their nuke testing.

Iraq actually LET US IN... let the UN teams go anywhere down to saddam's potty, and they found zilch.  So, we started a war anyway.

Think about that.  Nkorea? Sets off nukes and says they intend to bomb cali the minute they have a missle.  Iraq?  Lets us in to look anywhere, and we find nada.

yes, we're gonna love us some cheney down the road when we tap those oil wells decades from now.  But for most of us with half a brain, it was just the insulting feeling of being lied to, that bothered us.

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2010, 08:02:43 PM »
Sometimes you just gotta be lied to... for the good of my gas tank.

Live with it 240!

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2010, 08:04:32 PM »
yeah, i know.  i'm immature in my inability to just shrug it off and move on.  i have to whine and bitch about it.


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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2010, 09:09:00 PM »
So we're just supposed to leave the guys over there, some of whom have been there over a year, until they do the final pull out?  Not a logical assumption at all.  Obviously guys need to be rotated out that have been serving for a while now, some have been over there 4-5 times now and need a break.  This isn't anything to get your panties in a wad about.

I don't the rotation is the issue.  It's the fact Obama misrepresented the fact all of our troops would be home by August. 

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2010, 09:17:09 PM »
BB, what year (if ever) do you think there will be zero american troops in iraq?

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2010, 09:35:17 PM »
BB, what year (if ever) do you think there will be zero american troops in iraq?

Never, which is what I've always said.

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2010, 10:03:32 PM »
Never, which is what I've always said.

You're grasping at straws.  We have 100's of thousands of troops in bases all over the world which have been there after every major war.  So when the president said at those times that our troops would be home, it was pretty much understood that all substantial combat troops would be home.  Support troops for bases are not included in that, I thought that was pretty obvious.

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2010, 10:09:31 PM »
You're grasping at straws.  We have 100's of thousands of troops in bases all over the world which have been there after every major war.  So when the president said at those times that our troops would be home, it was pretty much understood that all substantial combat troops would be home.  Support troops for bases are not included in that, I thought that was pretty obvious.

What is pretty obvious is what the president said:

"As a candidate, I promised that I would end this war, and that is what I am doing as President. We will have all of our combat troops out of Iraq by the end of this August. (Applause.) We will support the Iraqi government -- we will support the Iraqi government as they hold elections, and we will continue to partner with the Iraqi people to promote regional peace and prosperity. But make no mistake: This war is ending, and all of our troops are coming home. (Applause.)"

So, to recap, first, he said "all of our combat troops" would be out of Iraq by the end of August.  That was a false statement, as evidenced by the article at the start of this thread.  We're rotating combat troops at the end of the year. 

Second, he said "all of our troops are coming home."  Another false statement. 

There was no "substantial" qualifier in his comments.   

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2010, 10:48:35 PM »
What is pretty obvious is what the president said:

"As a candidate, I promised that I would end this war, and that is what I am doing as President. We will have all of our combat troops out of Iraq by the end of this August. (Applause.) We will support the Iraqi government -- we will support the Iraqi government as they hold elections, and we will continue to partner with the Iraqi people to promote regional peace and prosperity. But make no mistake: This war is ending, and all of our troops are coming home. (Applause.)"

So, to recap, first, he said "all of our combat troops" would be out of Iraq by the end of August.  That was a false statement, as evidenced by the article at the start of this thread.  We're rotating combat troops at the end of the year. 

Second, he said "all of our troops are coming home."  Another false statement. 

There was no "substantial" qualifier in his comments.   

Again, you're picking at straws and just being ridiculous at this point because of your inane ability to grasp simple meaning in what he was saying.  Stop being so daft and move on to more important issues at hand.

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2010, 10:58:05 PM »
Again, you're picking at straws and just being ridiculous at this point because of your inane ability to grasp simple meaning in what he was saying.  Stop being so daft and move on to more important issues at hand.

Daft?  I like that one.  lol.   :)  I'm not picking at anything.  I quoted the president.  "All" means "all," unless you come from the Bill Clinton school of semantics.   

One of the things that's important to me is the president misstating the scope of our involvement in Iraq.  The fact he told the American people in his State of Union Address that "all of our troops are coming home," when he likely knew that was untrue, is an important issue to me.  I tend to place a lot of emphasis on the integrity of our political leaders, particularly the CIC.   

If you think it's unimportant, there are plenty of other threads on the board you can focus on.   

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2010, 02:42:12 AM »
All US combat troops will be out of Iraq by 31AUG10. I'm not sure what that means to Obama or anybody else but what that actually means is that US combat troops will not conduct unilateral combat missions outside the cities. SOF will still be able to conduct some direct action missions. We are currentt a combat bde...we will transition to an 'advise and assist" bde on 31 AUG, actually we already did on May first but don't get our additional training teams until the end of Aug. We're not talking different kinds of troops, we're talking a different mission with more emphisis on training Iraqi security forces. Rotations will continue with only about 50K left in Iraq. We don't guard the oil....there are very few US FOBs or bases located near oil wells. The country is small...everything is near each other.
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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2010, 11:32:35 AM »
All US combat troops will be out of Iraq by 31AUG10. I'm not sure what that means to Obama or anybody else but what that actually means is that US combat troops will not conduct unilateral combat missions outside the cities. SOF will still be able to conduct some direct action missions. We are currentt a combat bde...we will transition to an 'advise and assist" bde on 31 AUG, actually we already did on May first but don't get our additional training teams until the end of Aug. We're not talking different kinds of troops, we're talking a different mission with more emphisis on training Iraqi security forces. Rotations will continue with only about 50K left in Iraq. We don't guard the oil....there are very few US FOBs or bases located near oil wells. The country is small...everything is near each other.

Thanks HH.  So the troops are not leaving, but the mission is changing.  I wonder when the CIC will clarify this for the American people?   ::)

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2010, 12:32:41 PM »
"As a candidate, I promised that I would end this war, and that is what I am doing as President. We will have all of our combat troops out of Iraq by the end of this August. (Applause.) We will support the Iraqi government -- we will support the Iraqi government as they hold elections, and we will continue to partner with the Iraqi people to promote regional peace and prosperity. But make no mistake: This war is ending, and all of our troops are coming home. (Applause.)"

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Schofield Barracks soldiers to deploy to Iraq
By Associated Press
Jun 22, 2010

Soldiers from the 25th Infantry Division at Schofield Barracks are preparing to deploy to Iraq this week.

The Army plans to hold a deployment ceremony for the division's 2nd Brigade Combat Team on Thursday at Sills Field on the central Oahu Army post.

The division's commanding general, Maj. Gen. Bernard S. Champoux, and Lt. Gov. James. R. "Duke" Aiona are both due to speak at the ceremony.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/96893199.html

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2010, 05:54:46 PM »
No, no, no General Casey.  All of our combat troops will be out of Iraq by next month.  All of our troops will be out of Iraq entirely.  And our troops are leaving Afghanistan in July of 2011.  Didn't you hear what the Commander in Chief said?  Sheesh. 

Gen. Casey: America may be in Iraq and Afghanistan for another decade
Posted: July 10th, 2010

From CNN Audience Interaction Producer Eric Kuhn
(Updates with additional quotes)

Aspen, Colorado (CNN) - The United States may still be in the Afghanistan and Iraq region for another ten years, according to Gen. George Casey.

“The types of conflict that we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I think are likely to be fighting here for a decade or so, are focused on the people,” Casey, the army's Chief of Staff, said Friday night at the Aspen Institute's Ideas Festival.

“We are not going to succeed in either place by military means alone. You are only going to succeed when the people perceive there is a government represented by their interests, when there is an economy that can give them a job to support their families, when there are educational systems that can educate their family. All those things are essential to the long term success of the military operation.”

Regarding the larger war against “a global extremist network,” Casey also said America has another "decade or so of persistent conflict."

“States, non-states and individual actors who are increasingly willing to use violence” are not going away in the short-term. Casey added, “We believe this is a long term ideological struggle.”

Casey also joked by quoting Yogi Berra: “Predictions are hard, especially when you are looking at the future.”

Earlier this week in Aspen, the United Arab Emirates Ambassador to the U.S., Yousef al-Otaiba, stated he thought the United States should use force to stop Iran's nuclear program if sanctions did not work.

Casey responded by saying "There are no good solutions and the solution may be worse than the cure."

The four-star general, who has served in the army for over 40 years and will be leaving his post in nine months, stressed the importance of the long term health of the soldiers. The army has been aggressively studying post traumatic stress and suicide rates. It is also trying to give soldiers two years to recover after one year deployment.

"It's all about the people," Casey said referring to the strength of the American army.

In a statement to CNN, Casey's media advisor, LTC Rich Spiegel, said, "General Casey was speaking of the types of conflict we will be fighting for a decade or so. He did not, nor did he intend to, imply that we would be fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan for 10 more years."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/10/gen-casey-america-may-be-in-iraq-and-afghanistan-for-another-decade/?fbid=54YJ106g8kS#more-112519

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2010, 11:23:38 AM »
So we have the president telling the American people that our troops would be out by the end of August (about 30 days from now), General Casey saying we will be there for at least ten years, the president again saying we are leaving, and also saying we are still in harm's way:

"The hard truth is we have not seen the end of American sacrifice in Iraq," Obama said. "But make no mistake, our commitment in Iraq is changing -- from a military effort led by our troops to a civilian effort led by our diplomats."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/02/obama.iraq.drawdown/index.html?hpt=T1




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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #46 on: August 20, 2010, 11:30:03 AM »
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White House downplays combat brigade pullout in Iraq
Posted: August 19th, 2010

(CNN) –  With broadcast reports and pictures  Wednesday evening celebrating the last U.S. brigade combat team leaving Iraq and  crossing the border into Kuwait, the White House and Pentagon scrambled to  explain that the war in Iraq is not over.

With the August 31 deadline for withdrawing  U.S. combat troops fast approaching, administration officials were caught off  guard by the onslaught of questions about the moment's  significance.

The broadcast pictures were of a convoy of service members from the 4th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division leaving Iraq.


White House spokesman Tommy Vietor  said Thursday, "it was an extraordinary moment. The men and women in this brigade and all others serving tours of duty in Iraq  deserve our sincerest thanks for their enormous sacrifice. But this brigade leaving doesn't mean the mission has ended early.

Operation Iraqi Freedom ends  August 31, and on September 1 we transition to Operation New  Dawn." Operation New Dawn is the official  name for the new U.S. mission in Iraq. Those remaining U.S.  forces will take on a new advise-and-assist role. Pentagon Spokesman Bryan Whitman  told CNN Wednesday, "I have daily conversations with Iraq to talk about important issues - they never mentioned that there was anything  significant about what's been happening this evening."

Adding to the confusion  about the significance of the brigade's departure, earlier in the day at fundraisers in Columbus, Ohio, and Miami, Florida, President Barack Obama made two separate on-camera statements pledging to fulfill his campaign promise of bringing the Iraq war to a responsible and swift  end.

Wednesday afternoon, Obama released a letter on the White House website, whitehouse.gov, saying "[T]oday, I'm pleased to report that - thanks to the extraordinary service of  our troops and civilians in Iraq - our combat mission will end this  month, and we will complete a substantial drawdown of our troops."

Vietor said none of the president's statements were meant to foreshadow or give any  particular weight to the 4th Stryker Brigade's departure, which happened later that evening.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/19/white-house-downplays-combat-brigade-pullout-in-iraq/#more-118595

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2010, 12:21:22 PM »
Was talking to a couple guys yesterday who said we lost two from the 25th to sniper fire in Iraq. 

US Likely to Keep Troops in Iraq Long after 2011 'Departure'
Sunday, 05 Sep 2010
   
WASHINGTON – The United States likely will need to keep thousands of troops in Iraq beyond 2011 to keep a lid on sectarian tensions and to bolster Baghdad's fledgling military, experts and former officers say.

American officials privately acknowledge that the US military presence in Iraq will almost certainly be extended, even though a security agreement in force requires all US forces to depart by the end of 2011.

The US military will be needed not only for technical tasks to keep the Iraqi armed forces afloat, but as a reassuring presence for Iraqis fearing a revival of sectarian and ethnic bloodshed, analysts said.

Baghdad's military remains heavily dependent on US logistical support, air power, equipment and expertise, while most Baghdad politicians are anxious to retain American troops as a peacekeeping force in reserve.

"The more pressing requirement is less teaching them how to use weapons and more providing reassurance to threatened internal communities that they won't be exploited by their erstwhile internal rivals," said Stephen Biddle of the Council on Foreign Relations.

"What you're trying to do is make the size of the troop presence proportional to the residual fear that the groups feel towards each other," Biddle said.

Delivering technical help while playing a limited peacekeeping role would require a relatively modest number of troops, perhaps as few as three brigades or roughly 10,000 troops, several former military officers said.

"I think it could get down to even less than 10,000 and still be viable," John Ballard, a professor at National Defense University and a retired army officer, told AFP.

Nearly 50,000 US troops are now in Iraq under an "advise and assist" role, after President Barack Obama on Tuesday declared a formal end to the US combat mission.

The White House, keen to wind down the US role in Iraq, has played down the possibility of a large US force. Vice President Joe Biden's national security advisor, Anthony Blinken, has said only "dozens or maybe hundreds" of troops could remain.

But Iraqi army chief of staff General Babaker Zebari told AFP last month that his country's forces would require US support for another decade, while some analysts in Washington argue for keeping about half of the current force after 2011.

Iraq's "leaders are likely to ask that tens of thousands of American troops stay on for an extended period," Richard Haas, a top diplomat during George W. Bush's presidency, wrote Thursday.

Beyond 2011, the US military would be needed to provide badly-needed logistical support for an army that has been designed mainly as a counter-insurgency force.

The United States would provide some fire power, helicopters, fighter jets to defend a country with virtually no air force, naval defenses for ports and coveted intelligence collected from unmanned robotic planes.

The mission likely would include US special forces assisting Iraqis in manhunts of Al-Qaeda figures, according to James Danly of the Institute for the Study of War, who served in Iraq as an officer.

Apart from operational and tactical support, a US force also would have to be prepared for possible worst case scenarios, Danly and other analysts said.

If relations between the country's Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds threatened to spiral out of control, or if vital oil or other infrastructure came under threat from within or outside Iraq, Baghdad could turn to the US force for help, he said.

In addition to soldiers in uniform, US officials are planning to employ thousands of private contractors to take up security duties formerly performed by troops.

Any talks on the future of the US presence will have to wait for a new government in Iraq, where politicians have failed to agree a power-sharing deal since parliamentary elections in March.

Forging agreement on a post-2011 US mission would present a delicate political challenge for Iraq, as leaders there privately back a continued presence but are reluctant to publicly endorse it.

"It's going to be very hard for any government in Iraq to negotiate anything sizable or enduring," said Ballard. "This puts us in a difficult situation."

The current security accord signed in 2008 was negotiated under a shroud of secrecy, he said, and a follow-on mission also would have to be agreed discreetly, perhaps without a detailed, long-term agreement.

"There's a need, there's a rationale. But it's going to be difficult to put it in any sort of formal way."

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/iraq-us-troops-departure/2010/09/05/id/369270

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2010, 02:24:42 PM »
the US embassy, green zone, all the US bases... aren't those "officially" US soil?  Just as any embassy is officially the soil of that country, even if it sits in NYC?

So yes, all our men will leave Iraq.  They'll stay on US soil conveniently located along the path of a future oil pipeline in Iraq.

Is that the case here?

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #49 on: September 05, 2010, 04:32:12 PM »
the US embassy, green zone, all the US bases... aren't those "officially" US soil?  Just as any embassy is officially the soil of that country, even if it sits in NYC?

So yes, all our men will leave Iraq.  They'll stay on US soil conveniently located along the path of a future oil pipeline in Iraq.

Is that the case here?

Is this is a serious question?   ???