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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #50 on: September 05, 2010, 04:59:37 PM »
Is this is a serious question?   ???

yes, actually.  I've never heard it discussed... I know mccain was born on a US base in panama, so it was considered a US birth.   Are bases like embassies - considered land of the country staying there?

It would be a wordy loophole for "we left iraq, but we do need to protect our 'embassies'.

or in other countries, is the land where the bases sit considered to belong to that country?

I'm being serious here, so don't be rude or i will so donkey punch you.

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2010, 05:17:44 PM »
yes, actually.  I've never heard it discussed... I know mccain was born on a US base in panama, so it was considered a US birth.   Are bases like embassies - considered land of the country staying there?

It would be a wordy loophole for "we left iraq, but we do need to protect our 'embassies'.

or in other countries, is the land where the bases sit considered to belong to that country?

I'm being serious here, so don't be rude or i will so donkey punch you.

I'm never rude.   :)  I think you're confusing an embassy with a "base."  A "base" will usually consist of a "division," which can be upwards of 15,000 troops.  An embassy is just a building.  There is no reasonable scenario that I can think of where we would have thousands of troops guarding an embassy in Iraq.  

I talked a solider yesterday who said we're still there, essentially doing much of the same stuff.  The name of the mission has changed.  People are still getting shot.  We're still sending "combat" troops to Iraq and will be forever.  I think it will be a situation like Korea (where still have a division) and Germany, where we had thousands of troops for years.  

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2010, 05:38:45 PM »
i agree on the no reasonable scenario of the men staying - besides - the US likes to keep bases all over.  And the saudis are kicking us 100% out, correct?  Already did?  We gotta set up somewhere.

jimmyveep posted a map of all the US bases in iraq, along with what would eventually (decades from now perhaps) be an oil pipeline.  he posted here like 5 years ago, and it was nonsense back then because "we'll leave once the war is over!"

Well, 5 years later, and the bases are staying, 50k men are staying, and the bases just happen to overlay the path where we can still pump the Kirkuk oil fields dry thru Turkey... should iran shut down the gulf.

Really, Cheney was a genius.  He foresaw the need for this oil one day, for whatever reason, and he made this war happen.  "WMD" was a nice way for religious people to maintain their support for what was essentially a takeover to put up 50k men and bases for "dibbs" on someone else's oil.

Most of us wouldn't change it.... if doing so would alter our way of life.  Without that oil, shit hits the fan with a nuclear Iran in 5 or 10 years... gas prices could get a lot higher.

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2010, 05:44:28 PM »
240, I like you, but you're really starting to make me lose respect for you.

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #54 on: September 05, 2010, 05:45:38 PM »
i agree on the no reasonable scenario of the men staying - besides - the US likes to keep bases all over.  And the saudis are kicking us 100% out, correct?  Already did?  We gotta set up somewhere.

jimmyveep posted a map of all the US bases in iraq, along with what would eventually (decades from now perhaps) be an oil pipeline.  he posted here like 5 years ago, and it was nonsense back then because "we'll leave once the war is over!"

Well, 5 years later, and the bases are staying, 50k men are staying, and the bases just happen to overlay the path where we can still pump the Kirkuk oil fields dry thru Turkey... should iran shut down the gulf.

Really, Cheney was a genius.  He foresaw the need for this oil one day, for whatever reason, and he made this war happen.  "WMD" was a nice way for religious people to maintain their support for what was essentially a takeover to put up 50k men and bases for "dibbs" on someone else's oil.

Most of us wouldn't change it.... if doing so would alter our way of life.  Without that oil, shit hits the fan with a nuclear Iran in 5 or 10 years... gas prices could get a lot higher.

Dude this nonsense.  We don't control or own the oil.  We pay for it.  We didn't go to war for a "pipeline."  That is conspiracy theory garbage.  No, "religious people" didn't support the war because of WMDs.   ::)  Where the heck do you come up with such drivel?  

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2010, 05:51:15 PM »
yeah, but we pay for it in dollars $$$$

Saddam was switching to the euro in 2003, wasn't he?

granted, i could give a shit about the iraqi people - i'm not some bleeding heart lib.  If there's oil, and they were lucky enough to be born on it but not smart enough to guard it, that's just darwinism.

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #56 on: September 06, 2010, 08:28:14 AM »
I couldn't let this one go.....I'm in friggen Kirkuk...we aren't pumping any goddam oil. We aren't protecting the oil...we barely even mention oil. The retards don't attack the oil piplines. Should we be pumping the oil...sure...but we're not. A ton of companies are trying to square their oil infrastructure away but the tech is so old we're not sure how its still working. The Germans have big contracts here but none of the big oil companies are controling shit. The Iraqi national oil companies NOC (Northern oil Company) and the Southen Oil company all subcontract out....alot of the money will eventually flow back here based on argreements.......beside s all that ....240 your wrong again. 
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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2010, 09:16:13 AM »
thanks for the input hh6.

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #59 on: September 06, 2010, 09:55:53 AM »
Bush lied, people died.

No blood for oil.

Build schools not bombs.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #60 on: September 06, 2010, 11:55:24 AM »
I couldn't let this one go.....I'm in friggen Kirkuk...we aren't pumping any goddam oil. We aren't protecting the oil...we barely even mention oil. The retards don't attack the oil piplines. Should we be pumping the oil...sure...but we're not. A ton of companies are trying to square their oil infrastructure away but the tech is so old we're not sure how its still working. The Germans have big contracts here but none of the big oil companies are controling shit. The Iraqi national oil companies NOC (Northern oil Company) and the Southen Oil company all subcontract out....alot of the money will eventually flow back here based on argreements.......beside s all that ....240 your wrong again. 

But he posted pictures with a map and everything.   :)


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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2010, 09:56:45 AM »
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Iraqi Soldier Kills Two U.S. Troops
Published September 07, 2010 | Associated Press
 
BAGHDAD -- An Iraqi soldier sprayed gunfire at American troops guarding one of their commanders as he visited an Iraqi military base on Tuesday and killed two of them, the first U.S. servicemen to die since President Barack Obama declared an official end to combat operations in the country last week.

Even after the U.S. dramatically reduced the number of troops and rebranded its mission in Iraq, the attack was a reminder that Americans still have to defend themselves in a dangerous country where Iraqi forces only have a tenuous hold on security. Nine Americans were wounded in Tuesday's shooting.

The attack also showed that even within the walls of U.S. and Iraqi military bases, American soldiers can still be drawn into fighting.

The American commander was meeting with Iraqi military personnel at the base near the city of Tuz Khormato, about 130 miles north of Baghdad.

The assailant opened fire after an argument and was killed in the shootout that followed, said the city's police chief, Col. Hussein Rashid. He did not provide details on the nature of the argument.

"This is a tragic and cowardly act and is certainly not reflective of the Iraqi security forces," said Maj. Gen. Tony Cucolo, the American commander in charge of U.S. forces in northern Iraq.

The U.S. military is investigating, and the soldiers' names were being withheld until their families were notified.

The deaths raise to at least 4,418 the number of U.S. military personnel killed in Iraq since the war began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

The American military has reduced its footprint in Iraq from a one-time high of 170,000 troops to just under 50,000 troops as of Aug. 31.

The remaining troops are tasked with training the Iraqi security forces, providing security for some State Department missions and assisting the Iraqi forces in hunting down insurgent groups.

But U.S. troops are still able to defend themselves and their bases and still come under attack.

On Sunday, American troops in eastern Baghdad helped Iraqi forces repel an assault on an Iraqi military headquarters in what was the first exchange of gunfire involving Americans since the August deadline.

In a statement posted on a militant website, the Islamic State of Iraq took responsibility for the hour-long assault Sunday on the headquarters of the Iraqi Army's 11th Division. It was the second assault on the complex in less than a month and showed the challenges Iraqi security forces are facing after the U.S. change of mission

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09/07/official-iraqi-gunman-kills-soldiers/?test=latestnews

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #62 on: September 08, 2010, 10:06:08 AM »
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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #63 on: September 09, 2010, 03:29:39 PM »
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Iraqi Soldier Kills Two U.S. Troops
Published September 07, 2010 | Associated Press
 
BAGHDAD -- An Iraqi soldier sprayed gunfire at American troops guarding one of their commanders as he visited an Iraqi military base on Tuesday and killed two of them, the first U.S. servicemen to die since President Barack Obama declared an official end to combat operations in the country last week.

Even after the U.S. dramatically reduced the number of troops and rebranded its mission in Iraq, the attack was a reminder that Americans still have to defend themselves in a dangerous country where Iraqi forces only have a tenuous hold on security. Nine Americans were wounded in Tuesday's shooting.

The attack also showed that even within the walls of U.S. and Iraqi military bases, American soldiers can still be drawn into fighting.

The American commander was meeting with Iraqi military personnel at the base near the city of Tuz Khormato, about 130 miles north of Baghdad.

The assailant opened fire after an argument and was killed in the shootout that followed, said the city's police chief, Col. Hussein Rashid. He did not provide details on the nature of the argument.

"This is a tragic and cowardly act and is certainly not reflective of the Iraqi security forces," said Maj. Gen. Tony Cucolo, the American commander in charge of U.S. forces in northern Iraq.

The U.S. military is investigating, and the soldiers' names were being withheld until their families were notified.

The deaths raise to at least 4,418 the number of U.S. military personnel killed in Iraq since the war began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

The American military has reduced its footprint in Iraq from a one-time high of 170,000 troops to just under 50,000 troops as of Aug. 31.

The remaining troops are tasked with training the Iraqi security forces, providing security for some State Department missions and assisting the Iraqi forces in hunting down insurgent groups.

But U.S. troops are still able to defend themselves and their bases and still come under attack.

On Sunday, American troops in eastern Baghdad helped Iraqi forces repel an assault on an Iraqi military headquarters in what was the first exchange of gunfire involving Americans since the August deadline.

In a statement posted on a militant website, the Islamic State of Iraq took responsibility for the hour-long assault Sunday on the headquarters of the Iraqi Army's 11th Division. It was the second assault on the complex in less than a month and showed the challenges Iraqi security forces are facing after the U.S. change of mission

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09/07/official-iraqi-gunman-kills-soldiers/?test=latestnews

They were assigned to the 25th.   :-\   

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20100909_2_Schofield_soldiers_killed_after_Iraqi_opens_fire_at_base.html

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #64 on: November 19, 2010, 05:41:30 PM »
800 Schofield soldiers to deploy to Iraq
By William Cole

POSTED: 01:45 p.m. HST, Nov 19, 2010

A deployment ceremony will be held Wednesday at Schofield Barracks as 800 soldiers with the 25th Infantry Division headquarters prepare to deploy to Iraq.

Maj. Gen. Bernard Champoux, the 25th Division commander, will take over command in Baghdad and in Anbar province to the west, the latter being the biggest geographic province in Iraq and which includes onetime flash points Ramadi and Fallujah.

Most of the soldiers will leave for Iraq after Thanksgiving.

The Schofield soldiers will be part of a diminishing U.S. presence in Iraq, with fewer than 50,000 U.S. troops left in the country.

The U.S. had planned to be out of Iraq by the end of 2011. U.S. forces have dropped from a high of nearly 170,000 during the surge in 2007.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates, however, recently said the U.S. is leaving options open for extending a troop presence in the country.

Champoux previously said he would be in charge of about 8,000 U.S. troops. By comparison, during the surge, there were 28,000 in Baghdad alone.

During the year-long deployment — which will extend to the formal mission end date for U.S. forces in the country — the Schofield soldiers will continue to advise, assist and train Iraqi Security Forces.

The name of the mission was changed on Sept. 1 from Operation Iraqi Freedom to Operation New Dawn to reflect the end of U.S. combat missions.

The deployment ceremony will be held at 2 p.m. on Wednesday and include remarks by Lt. Gov. James “Duke” Aiona.

About 3,700 soldiers with the 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team out of Hawaii have been in northern Iraq since June and July. The unit, relabeled the 2nd Advise and Assist Brigade, is expected to be in Iraq until next June.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/109314204.html

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #65 on: November 22, 2010, 05:49:14 PM »
Schofield Barracks soldier killed in Iraq
By William Cole

POSTED: 11:56 a.m. HST, Nov 22, 2010

A fifth Hawaii-based Stryker Brigade soldier has been killed in Iraq on the unit’s latest deployment, evidence that while violence is down, the war is far from over.

Sgt. David J. Luff Jr., 29, of Hamilton, Ohio, died yesterday in Tikrit of wounds suffered when insurgents attacked his unit with small arms fire, the Pentagon said.

He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 27th Infantry Regiment “Wolfhounds” of the 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division, Schofield Barracks.

U.S. Forces-Iraq, the American military command in the country, said in a release that a U.S. soldier died from enemy fire during “advisory operations,” but provided no other details.

About 3,700 Stryker Brigade soldiers are in northern Iraq on a year-long deployment that began in June and July.

Four other Stryker Brigade soldiers have been killed — two by an Iraqi army soldier, one by a roadside bomb and one in a grenade attack on a vehicle.

Another 800 Schofield soldiers have started deploying to Iraq with the 25th Infantry Division headquarters. A deployment ceremony will be held Wednesday and the bulk of the soldiers will leave after Thanksgiving.

The Iraq mission’s name was changed on Sept. 1 from Operation Iraqi Freedom to Operation New Dawn to reflect the end of U.S. combat activity. U.S. troops now provide an advise, assist and training role for Iraqi forces.

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #66 on: January 04, 2011, 07:09:03 AM »
Two U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq
The deaths are the first military fatalities since the killing of a U.S. soldier in early December. Meanwhile, a Christian woman is shot dead at home in Baghdad.

By Ned Parker, Los Angeles Times
January 4, 2011
 
Reporting from Baghdad —
Two U.S. soldiers were killed in action in central Iraq over the weekend, the military announced Monday.

Officials provided no further details about the deaths, the first U.S. military fatalities in Iraq since the killing of a soldier by a sniper in early December in the eastern province of Wasit.

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The killings raised American military deaths in Iraq since March 2003, when U.S.-led forces invaded the country, to 4,432, according to the independent website icasualties.org. Of those, 3,512 were killed by hostile fire.
About 49,000 U.S. soldiers remain in Iraq, down from about 170,000 troops in 2007 at the height of the military's buildup to quell the country's civil war. Those troops are expected to be withdrawn from Iraq at the end of 2011 when an Iraqi-U.S. security agreement authorizing their presence expires.

The U.S. military declared its formal combat operations over at the end of August, and the remaining soldiers are present largely to train Iraqi forces. However, American troops are called in by Iraqi forces on occasion for sensitive missions.

With the change in the U.S. forces' mission over time, the death toll among Americans in combat has dropped significantly. Twenty-two U.S. troops were killed last year by hostile fire, down from a high of 767 in 2007, according to icasualties.org.

Armed Shiite and Sunni groups still view U.S. forces as a valid target. The soldier killed in December was guarding a team of diplomats who were traveling around to meet local officials. The recent killings illustrate the continuing precarious situation for military personnel.

Also Monday, gunmen broke into the Baghdad home of a 44-year-old Christian woman and shot her dead, a police official said. Younadam Kanna, a Christian member of parliament, said police suspected the killing was not related to politics, and he warned that at times the banner of Al Qaeda in Iraq is used to shield criminal activities.

"Everything is hanged on Al Qaeda," the lawmaker said. "These people are both criminals and terrorists."

Since Oct. 31, when the siege of a church in Baghdad left 58 people dead, militants have repeatedly targeted the minority group, including several attacks recently against its elderly and women. Christians have also been threatened by Islamic militants in the northern city of Mosul.

Early Monday, a policeman was shot dead in the capital by men with silencer-equipped pistols, a police official said. The killing came after the shooting of four police officers in the span of an hour late Sunday, security sources said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraq-us-casualties-20110104,0,7248086.story

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #67 on: April 03, 2011, 09:49:21 AM »
U.S. military: Militants kill 2 U.S. soldiers in Iraq
By Lara Jakes
Associated Press
POSTED: 02:46 a.m. HST, Apr 03, 2011

BAGHDAD >> Two American soldiers were killed in a rocket attack that struck their unit in southern Iraq, the U.S. military said Sunday.

Col. Barry Johnson, a spokesman for U.S. forces in Iraq, confirmed that rockets hit the troops’ unit but declined to give their names or say where in southern Iraq, pending notification of next of kin.

About 47,000 U.S. troops remain in Iraq, down from 166,000 in October 2007 at the peak of the military surge that kept the country from dissolving into civil war.

But Shiite militias in Iraq’s south that are linked to anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr have vowed to continue targeting U.S. troops until all have left.

Under a 2008 security agreement between Baghdad and Washington, all U.S. forces will withdraw from Iraq by the end of the year. In an Associated Press interview Saturday, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said he sees no need to change the agreement but said he would leave that decision to parliament if lawmakers vote to keep them.

Saturday’s deaths raises to at least 4,443 the number of U.S. military personnel who have died in Iraq since the war began in March 2003. That’s according to an Associated Press count.

The last attack to leave more than one U.S. service member dead was Jan. 15, when an Iraqi army solider opened fire on U.S. troops and killed two during a training exercise in Mosul, located 225 miles (360 kilometers) northwest of Baghdad.

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #68 on: April 03, 2011, 12:33:58 PM »
The plan all along was to be there forever.  Just like we are still in Germany and Korea.  25th ID is not a support unit, it is made up of Brigade Combat Teams.  Obama lied once again.
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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2011, 10:43:32 AM »
The plan all along was to be there forever.  Just like we are still in Germany and Korea.  25th ID is not a support unit, it is made up of Brigade Combat Teams.  Obama lied once again.

Not true.  Dude you are not in the military.   ::)

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #70 on: April 23, 2011, 10:45:04 AM »
2 U.S. Soldiers Killed In Southern Iraq
04/23/11 08:39 AM ET   

BAGHDAD — The U.S. military says two American soldiers have been killed while conducting operations in southern Iraq.

In a statement, released on Saturday, the military says the deaths occurred Friday.

No further details about how they died were released.

The names of the deceased are being withheld pending notification of next of kin and release by the Department of Defense.

The death raises to at least 4,450 the number of U.S. military personnel who have died in Iraq since the war began in March 2003. That's according to an Associated Press count.

Nine U.S. servicemembers taking part in Operation New Dawn, as the Iraq campaign is called, have died so far this month. Most were from non-combat related incidents.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/23/2-us-soldiers-killed-in-s_n_852850.html

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #71 on: June 30, 2011, 11:54:05 AM »
Rocket Attack Kills 3 American Soldiers in Iraq
Published June 30, 2011
Associated Press

Baghdad –  A rocket attack on a U.S. base near Iraq's border with Iran killed three American soldiers, an official said Thursday, blaming the strike on a Shiite militia linked to Tehran.

The deaths came at the end of the bloodiest month for U.S. troops in Iraq in two years, and with just six months before the American military is scheduled to leave after more than eight years of war.

Wednesday's rocket attack struck a U.S. base in southern Iraq that is located a few miles (kilometers) from the Iranian border, a U.S. military official said. He said the type of weapons used bore the hallmarks of a Shiite militia with strong links to Iran.

The official refused to give more details, and would not describe what kind of rockets were used against the base, or where it was. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

American intelligence officials have long believed that the Iranian-backed Kataib Hezbollah, or Hezbollah Brigades, is one of the only militias to use weapons known in military jargon as IRAMs, or improvised rocket-assisted mortars, against U.S. troops. The weapons are made in Iran.

Kataib Hezbollah, which has links to the Lebanon-based Hezbollah group, is solely focused on attacking U.S. troops and other American personnel.

The U.S. military is preparing to leave Iraq by the end of the year, as required by a 2008 security agreement between Baghdad and Washington.

But as both governments now consider extending the deadline to have thousands of troops remain in Iraq into 2012 -- in part to counter Iran's influence over the unstable nation -- at least three major Shiite militias have stepped up attacks on soldiers to force the military out.

Kataib Hezbollah claimed responsibility for a June 6 rocket attack on a U.S. base in Baghdad that killed five soldiers. In all, 15 U.S. troops have died this month in Iraq, all but one in hostile attacks. It's the highest number of military deaths in Iraq since June 2009.

Wednesday's deaths bring to 4,469 the number of American troops who have died in Iraq. That's according to an Associated Press count.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/30/us-military-says-3-american-troops-killed-in-iraq/?test=latestnews

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #72 on: July 06, 2011, 12:06:28 PM »
All troops out of Iraq huh?   ::)

Sources: 10,000 US troops could remain in Iraq
White House would keep forces on ground through next year if requested by Baghdad
By LARA JAKES
The Associated Press
updated 7/5/2011

BAGHDAD — The White House is offering to keep up to 10,000 troops in Iraq next year, U.S. officials say, despite opposition from many Iraqis and key Democratic Party allies who demand that President Barack Obama bring home the American military as promised.

Any extension of the military's presence, however, depends on a formal request from Baghdad — which must weigh questions about the readiness of Iraqi security forces against fears of renewed militant attacks and unrest if U.S. soldiers stay beyond the December pullout deadline.

Iraq is not expected to decide until September at the earliest when the 46,000 U.S. forces left in the country had hoped to start heading home.

Already, though, the White House has worked out options to keep between 8,500 and 10,000 active-duty troops to continue training Iraqi security forces during 2012, according to senior Obama administration and U.S. military officials in interviews with The Associated Press. The figures also were noted by foreign diplomats in Baghdad briefed on the issue.

All spoke on condition of anonymity to frankly discuss the sensitive matter during interviews over the past two weeks.

White House spokesman Jay Carney on Tuesday said the Pentagon is still planning for all U.S. troops to withdraw by year's end, noting that time is running out for Iraq's government to ask them to stay.

"We have said for a long time now if the Iraqi government asks us to maintain some level of troops beyond that end of the year deadline, we would consider it," Carney told reporters in Washington.
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He appeared to back off that possibility, however, adding: "That doesn't necessarily mean we would do it. We would just consider it. And I really don't have any more information on that possible outcome because, again, we haven't even gotten a request."

Any change in the U.S. military withdrawal timetable in Iraq — after more than eight years and more than 4,450 U.S. military deaths — could open up difficult political confrontations for Obama as pressure builds to close out the Iraq mission and stick to pledges to draw down troops in Afghanistan.

The Senate's top Democrat, Sen. Harry Reid, told the AP that the high cost of keeping U.S. troops in Iraq — given a mounting U.S. debt crisis and Iraq's fledgling security gains — is no longer necessary.

Reid, the Senate majority leader, estimated nearly $1 trillion has been spent in Iraq since the U.S. invaded in 2003, including $50 billion this year alone.

"As Iraq becomes increasingly capable, it is time for our own troops to return home by the end of the year and for these precious resources to be directed elsewhere," Reid, Democrat of Nevada, said in the statement. "There is no question that the United States must continue to provide support for the Iraqis as they progress, but now is the time for our military mission to come to a close."

Reid was responding to a request for comment after 15 U.S. soldiers were killed in Iraq in June, mostly by Shiite militias, in the deadliest month for the American military here in two years. It was the first public statement by a top party leader to oppose Obama's policy in Iraq, and may signal splintering Democratic support over his war planning just as he ramps up his 2012 re-election campaign.

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Iraq has flown under Washington's political radar for much of the past year, and Democrats who want Obama to end the war this year as promised vowed to exert more pressure on the White House.

"With a false declaration that combat operations are over in Iraq, what is now Operation New Dawn has ironically become a forgotten war," said Ashwin Madia, a former Marine who served in Iraq in 2005-06 and is now interim chairman of VoteVets.org. "That is about to change."

The group has raised millions of dollars for Democratic Party candidates.

Though violence has dramatically dropped from just a few years ago, when Iraq teetered on the brink of civil war, attacks still happen almost daily. On Tuesday, Iraqi police said at least 35 people were killed when two bombs exploded outside a city council headquarters just north of Baghdad.

Running for president in 2008, Obama promised to withdraw all troops from Iraq — what he had described years earlier as "a dumb war, a rash war." Shortly after he took office, he pledged to stick to a Dec. 31, 2011, deadline negotiated between Washington and Baghdad for all U.S. forces to leave Iraq.

Recently, however, the door gradually has been opening to push the deadline. In May, former Defense Secretary Robert Gates signaled Obama was willing to keep troops in Iraq beyond December. Last week, Navy Vice Adm. William McRaven, nominated to command U.S. special operations forces, said a small commando force should remain.

Without a request from Iraq, fewer than 200 active duty troops would stay at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad as military advisers, a role that is common for American diplomatic missions worldwide. More than 166,000 U.S. troops were in Iraq in October 2007, the peak of the Pentagon's surge.

In Baghdad, the debate over whether U.S. troops should stay past the deadline is topic No. 1 for Iraq's government.

Iraq's top military commander, Gen. Babaker Shawkat Zebari, has long maintained that Iraqi security forces need another decade of training and aid before they are ready to protect the country alone, especially its air space and borders. Iraq sits on the fault line between Shiite powerhouse Iran and mostly Sunni nations across the rest of the Mideast, which share U.S. concerns about Tehran's influence growing in Baghdad if American troops leave.

Iraqi Kurds, who have long relied on American forces to protect them, are lobbying for U.S. troops to stay.

But Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki refuses to publicly endorse a troops' extension. One of his critical political allies — a Shiite movement headed by anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr — has threatened widespread violence if troops stay. Al-Sadr's militias once waged fierce attacks on U.S. forces.

Some of Iraq's Sunnis also oppose an extension. The Sunni Islamic Party in Iraq's northern Ninevah province, in a statement this week, called allowing the so-called "occupation forces" to remain "a great mistake against Iraq and its people."

President Jalal Talabani plans a meeting as early as this week of Iraq's political leaders to discuss the troop issue — which al-Maliki says he does not want to make alone.

"All political groups should be making this decision, because we do not want to shoulder the responsibility alone for such a grave and sovereign issue," said Shiite lawmaker Ali al-Shilah, a member of the State of Law coalition headed by al-Maliki. "The situation is still complicated because all the political blocs are avoiding giving a final and clear decision on this."

One of the main sticking points is how to ensure that troops on duty all have legal immunity from Iraqi courts if they remain. Al-Shilah called it "very difficult, if not impossible due to the complicated political situation."

The U.S. will not keep thousands of troops in Iraq without immunity. But it's far from certain parliament will approve it. Iraq is still seething from the 2007 shooting by guards from the security firm then called Blackwater Worldwide, which left 17 people dead but could not be prosecuted by Iraq courts because of an immunity deal at the time.

Al-Maliki also would not want any remaining U.S. troops to look like combat forces, and potentially would strip them of huge armored trucks or have them live on Iraqi bases. The U.S. will not agree to that.

In a July 1 letter, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Martin E. Dempsey told U.S. forces in and around Baghdad to expect to stay in Iraq "longer than they expected" until at least after Christmas, just days before the withdrawal deadline.

There is no end-date stated in Dempsey's letter, which was posted on the website of the Hawaii-based 25th Infantry Division that is currently headquartered in Baghdad.

"We're well aware that the request means many of you will be separated from your families for a second consecutive Christmas holiday," Dempsey wrote. "I can assure you we wouldn't have asked this of you if it wasn't vitally important for the accomplishment of our mission in Iraq."

Associated Press writer Sameer N. Yacoub in Amman, Jordan, contributed to this report.

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Schofield soldiers' morale takes hit with extension in Iraq
By William Cole
POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Jul 07, 2011

About 800 Schofield Barracks soldiers have had their yearlong deployment extended in Iraq, and will be part of the last command element overseeing the exodus of up to 46,000 remaining U.S. personnel ahead of a Dec. 31 deadline for American forces to leave the country, officials said.

For families of the deployed soldiers, it's not the news they wanted to hear.

The last of the 25th Infantry Division headquarters soldiers were supposed to return home in early December. But the deployment has been extended 31 days by the Army, meaning another missed holiday season for many with a new final pullout date of Jan. 2, 2012.

"It's very frustrating for me because you hold out that hope (of), OK, we have to make it through the year, but they are going to be home for Christmas. That's what you hold out for," said Dayshawn Pierre, a mother of three in Hawaii whose husband is a private first class in Iraq.

Many of the soldiers and their families found out about the extension last week. Both Chief of Staff of the Army Gen. Martin Dempsey and Maj. Gen. Bernard Champoux, the deployed commander of the 25th Infantry Division, wrote letters expressing their gratitude to the soldiers for the additional sacrifice.

Champoux is commander of U.S. Division-Center in Baghdad, but he will control all remaining U.S. forces as the drawdown from Iraq occurs, officials said.

"This extension allows us to properly complete the vital task of providing mission command to U.S. forces in Iraq at a critical time," Champoux said in a letter posted on the 25th Division website. "I fully appreciate the impact of this extension and know what it means to you and your families, particularly during the holiday season."

He also said, "This is the right thing to do."

"Our country and many of you have made a huge investment in the success of our mission in Iraq," he added. "Separations, personal sacrifices, and many gave their last full measure of devotion. I believe we now own all of that, and have a responsibility to complete this mission correctly."

About 46,000 U.S. service members remain in Iraq, according to the Pentagon.

The U.S. agreed in 2008 to remove its troops by the end of 2011. Publicly, the Pentagon continues to pursue that goal, but the reported that the White House is offering to keep up to 10,000 troops in Iraq next year. The U.S. State Department is expected to have a large presence in Iraq as well.

"The process for troops to remain in the country after (the Dec. 31 deadline) begins with an official request from the Iraqi government, and no such request has been made," Pentagon spokesman Marine Col. Dave Lapan said Wednesday in a Defense Department news story. "Until the government of Iraq makes a request, there is no number."

Champoux and the 25th Division headquarters are based out of Victory Base Complex in Baghdad. Champoux's U.S. Division-Center is responsible for the cities of Baghdad, Fallujah and Ramadi.

U.S. forces in the country advise, train, assist and equip Iraqi security forces as part of Operation New Dawn. They are now also closing down U.S. bases.

The Jan. 2 pullout for the Schofield soldiers "is past the (Dec. 31 deadline), but it takes about two days to pack up and get everyone on aircraft," said Col. Michael Donnelly, a spokesman for U.S. Army Pacific at Fort Shafter.

Kristen Martin, whose husband, Sgt. Chase Martin, is a Schofield soldier in Baghdad, said she was expecting him home at the beginning of December.

"You get prepared for a year, maybe a little less, and it's hard when they tack on a month, but it's their job, and what happens happens, and you've just got to go with it," she said. "I don't like it. I wish he would come home (earlier)."

Morale in Iraq took a hit with news of the extension, she said.

"I have a lot of his soldiers and friends that are there on my Facebook page, and a lot of them are pretty bummed," she said.

The two other "division" commands in Iraq, U.S. Division-North and U.S. Division-South, are closing up shop in Iraq, meanwhile.

The Austin (Texas) American-Statesman said 700 soldiers with the National Guard's 36th Infantry Division, which has control of the south, arrived in Basra in January and are expected to return home in September. The soldiers are closing bases and preparing for the American exit through Kuwait.

At Contingency Operating Base Speicher, where the 4th Infantry Division has control of the north, the last on-base Burger King will close next month and shops run by Iraqis are being shuttered, the Colorado Springs Gazette reported.

Julia Townsend, Sgt. Chase Martin's mom, said she knew her son's deployment could be extended, but it also could be shortened.

"So I understand that," she said. "But when we're getting so close to the end and there are other soldiers that we hear are coming home and we find out ours have to stay longer, it's definitely really heartbreaking."

She added that she posted on the 25th Division Facebook page that she understands there's still a mission in Iraq, "but I think it's time to turn it over to the Iraqis and bring our men and women home. We've been there long enough."

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